CaneBrain 96 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 You're wrong. Reread the quote.(Depending on the state) the Castle Doctrine often includes any place you are legally allowed to be. For example in Michigan SB 1046 makes it clear that there is no "duty to retreat" if a person is in a place where they have a legal right to be.ok that is not a majority of states. Texas, probably. I mean look at the name. Castle. It came about to let you protect your home. I am STUNNED they extended it in any state to a non-residence. That is disturbing. But I was wrong so mea culpa.And as JJJ pointed out standing your ground and running into a public street and firing a gun at a fleeing robber are not the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 (Depending on the state) the Castle Doctrine often includes any place you are legally allowed to be. For example in Michigan SB 1046 makes it clear that there is no "duty to retreat" if a person is in a place where they have a legal right to be.Actually if you want the lawyer to look at it give him the actual citationMCLS ยง 780.951 (2009)and again, the issue is still this....Sec. 1. (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), it is a rebuttable presumption in a civil or criminal case that an individual who uses deadly force or force other than deadly force under section 2 of the self-defense act has an honest and reasonable belief that imminent death of, sexual assault of, or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another individual will occur if both of the following apply:a) The individual against whom deadly force or force other than deadly force is used is in the process of breaking and entering a dwelling or business premises or committing home invasion or has broken and entered a dwelling or business premises or committed home invasion and is still present in the dwelling or business premises, or is unlawfully attempting to remove another individual from a dwelling, business premises, or occupied vehicle against his or her will. Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyJoJo 18 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 they're also probably the type of criminals who will be a huge danger to lots of other people at various times in the future, so stopping them really does have a lot of merit.I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that line of thinking. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that line of thinking.Really?? Criminal profiling is not the same as racial profiling. Certain crimes tend to be committed by serial offenders. If you (as a cop) arrest some hooker for hooking, well she's probably going to be at it again next week. Same with people who commit rape-murders with victims they do not know personally. Same with people who rob stores and banks with a gun or knife. I mean, you're only gonna get a few hundred bucks (maybe if you're lucky a couple thousand) from robbing a gas station or liquor store. If that's how you make your money, you're gonna have to do it pretty frequently. Link to post Share on other sites
Sal Paradise 57 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I'd feel safer staying where I was and waiting for the hundred cops to come flying in and taking my chances that the guy would not come back to the scene of the crime rather than chasing after him and creating a situation where he is almost forced to shoot at me.pussy Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Pot Odds, you aren't really arguing that it's legal to chase someone down a street while shooting at them, are you? And really arguing that it's safer for the general public to do that instead of letting the robber flee the scene? Come on. I agree with everyone else in that the shooter was justified, legally and morally, up until that point. Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 37 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 What?You don't stop criminals robbing convenient stores with guns. You hit them in the face with hot coffee. Didn't anyone see Fast Times?Awesome, totally awesome! Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyJoJo 18 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Really?? Criminal profiling is not the same as racial profiling. Certain crimes tend to be committed by serial offenders. If you (as a cop) arrest some hooker for hooking, well she's probably going to be at it again next week. Same with people who commit rape-murders with victims they do not know personally. Same with people who rob stores and banks with a gun or knife. I mean, you're only gonna get a few hundred bucks (maybe if you're lucky a couple thousand) from robbing a gas station or liquor store. If that's how you make your money, you're gonna have to do it pretty frequently.So what you're saying is that someone should not only be punished for what they've done, but also what they will probably do in the future?pussyWell, yeah. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 If this guy actually chased a fleeing unarmed suspect and fired shots at him, he deserves everything he's going to get and I doubt seriously that the NRA will lift a finger to try and help him. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 So what you're saying is that someone should not only be punished for what they've done, but also what they will probably do in the future?Not at all. I'm saying that it's worth putting in extra effort to catch or stop somebody who is committing an armed robbery, because it is likely that, if not stopped, they will continue to put citizens in extreme danger again and again. Link to post Share on other sites
El Guapo 8 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 It's not like someone fired an M-16 at them from the back of an ATV or anything. Link to post Share on other sites
AmScray 354 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 People are sick and tired of blacks, especially in cities like Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis- that were once nice but have since devolved into feral Negro hellholes. Good luck getting all 12 to convict, even if he did 'technically' break self-defense protocols. The idea of chasing one down and blowing their stinking ape head off is very, very appealing to white residents in these cities... Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 37 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 People are sick and tired of blacks, especially in cities like Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis- that were once nice (and white) but have since devolved into Negro hellholes. Good luck getting all 12 to convict, even if he did 'technically' break self-defense protocols. The idea of chasing one down and putting a few 'caps in da dome' is very, very appealing to white residents in these cities...Awesome, totally awesome! Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Not at all. I'm saying that it's worth putting in extra effort to catch or stop somebody who is committing an armed robbery, because it is likely that, if not stopped, they will continue to put citizens in extreme danger again and again.Yea, I hope they catch the guy who shot them and give him a few years probation to think about his poor shooting in the store and how he could have saved evryone the hassle if he just learned to double tap center mass.If a person deserves to be shot..can he really change something that makes him no longer deserve it? In like a 5 second time frame he can go from: Deserves to be gunned down without warning, to; now he needs to be granted the full protection of our innocent before proven guilty laws?The danger to the area is the better defense for why this was wrong. The outlaw is the guilty party here for creating the situation that allowed the vigilante to use his 'probably illegal' weapon.Of course Charles Bronson in Death Wish I, II, III and IV shaped my early developmental years..so maybe I shouldn't be listened too.He was also really good in White Buffalo..but that movie never got any real traction with the masses. Link to post Share on other sites
AmScray 354 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Awesome, totally awesome!I would make a faggot crack, but I'm trying to learn about a certain type of math and may need to ask you questions in the future. Link to post Share on other sites
MaxStPolish 4 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 One defense (from a devil's advocate standpoint) could be that the chase portion of this was part of an adrenaline rush the likes I could never understand and I'm sure takes months of military/police training to curtail. In a potential life or death situation I know for a fact that if I had an opening to take control of a situation (carrying weapon) i most certainly would. And I'm hypothetically guessing that once that took place and my emotions are just in a adrenaline frenzy, I would almost be uncontrolling of my own actions in dispatching the "bad guys".Then again one could contend that someone shouldn't pull a weapon unless they can control that adrenaline spike. Then again, even most gun owners have probably not been a in life or death situation with their weapon.Just thinking out loud. Link to post Share on other sites
AmScray 354 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Of course Charles Bronson in Death Wish I, II, III and IV shaped my early developmental years..so maybe I shouldn't be listened too.He was also really good in White Buffalo..but that movie never got any real traction with the masses.Mr Majestyk ftw. Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 One defense (from a devil's advocate standpoint) could be that the chase portion of this was part of an adrenaline rush the likes I could never understand and I'm sure takes months of military/police training to curtail. In a potential life or death situation I know for a fact that if I had an opening to take control of a situation (carrying weapon) i most certainly would. And I'm hypothetically guessing that once that took place and my emotions are just in a adrenaline frenzy, I would almost be uncontrolling of my own actions in dispatching the "bad guys".I have no doubt that people could feel that way but it's not a defense that can be used in a court of law.I suspect there is a reason why they can't find the shooter or that he didn't stick around to tell his story, because he knows he is fucked. Link to post Share on other sites
dna4ever 2 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I have no doubt that people could feel that way but it's not a defense that can be used in a court of law.what do you know about the law? Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 37 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I'm trying to learn about a certain type of math and may need to ask you questions in the future.This is the same reasoning behind the thee times I've gotten laid. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 People are sick and tired of blacksHawaiians, especially in cities like Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis- Haiku-Pauwela, Koolauloa, Wailuku- that were once nice but have since devolved into feral Negro da Kine hellholes. Good luck getting all 12 to convict, even if he did 'technically' break self-defense protocols. The idea of chasing one down and blowing their stinking apeGidi Gidi head off is very, very appealing to white residents in these cities...FYP Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 This is the same reasoning behind the thee times I've gotten laid.Renaissance faires have some hot wenches for sure. Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 37 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Renaissance faires have some hot wenches for sure.Paging Big D, Paging Big D... Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 If a person deserves to be shot..can he really change something that makes him no longer deserve it? In like a 5 second time frame he can go from: Deserves to be gunned down without warning, to; now he needs to be granted the full protection of our innocent before proven guilty laws?Sure. He drops his gun and puts up his hands. Or he turns his back and starts running without showing any further agression. That's when it goes from self defense to vigilante...ism. Legal to illegal. Link to post Share on other sites
Plus one 0 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Im guessing brett favre has the whole state tilted right now. Link to post Share on other sites
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