nickforgot 0 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Dont have a HH but blinds 200-400 avg 18k 200 left 100 cash Ive 3 bet Villian about 3-4 times seemed kinda passive, hand before pushed him off the flop after a 3bet with air .... edit : Ive been fairly lag stealing a lotStack Sizes: Me(Button)- ~17k Villian (UTG)- ~30kVillain raises min to 800 (been min raising every time he opens) folded to Hero raises to 2400, Villian raises to 4800, Hero ??? Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 ok so pot is 8,600 to you with about about 8,400 left with your stake size you just can't flat, you commit yourself with a call so it is a push. This may be him playing back at us, and even so only 2 hands have us crushed, assuming we are off suit, so it is a push we would need much deeper stacks to flat and or a super solid read that he is sssoooo tight that the ONLY hands he would do this with is A's or K's so i insta shove here it is only 3.6K more i would bet that anything he 4-bets calls our 5-bet shove but his range is still wild enough for most people that i think we are good here. Also a fold due to not wanting to gamble is wrong, we drop to less than half the average stack size and soon will be in panic mode so push while you still have 6 almost pure outs. Also villain could show up with AK or AQ we need to shove here Link to post Share on other sites
ABigMotivation 0 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Shove and expect a call with 10's Link to post Share on other sites
nickforgot 0 Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 ok so pot is 8,600 to you with about about 8,400 left with your stake size you just can't flat, you commit yourself with a call so it is a push. This may be him playing back at us, and even so only 2 hands have us crushed, assuming we are off suit, so it is a push we would need much deeper stacks to flat and or a super solid read that he is sssoooo tight that the ONLY hands he would do this with is A's or K's so i insta shove here it is only 3.6K more i would bet that anything he 4-bets calls our 5-bet shove but his range is still wild enough for most people that i think we are good here. Also a fold due to not wanting to gamble is wrong, we drop to less than half the average stack size and soon will be in panic mode so push while you still have 6 almost pure outs. Also villain could show up with AK or AQ we need to shove herewell if i flat call i would still have around 13k does that matter or should i still be pushing regardless Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 well if i flat call i would still have around 13k does that matter or should i still be pushing regardlesswow i cant do math well at midnight local time. Yah i still think move is the same and i still think he calls at least with a slightly bigger stack we maybe get some fold equity. Are we suited or off, it doesn't matter too much but we still have decent equity. The key to this is the only way we can lay this down is by having such a solid read that we are up against A's or K's only. Do we have ANY reads on villain because void of reads we can rep a huge hand here and still have decent equity Link to post Share on other sites
nickforgot 0 Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 Well im pretty sure were not up against aces but im sure he would only make this move with KK-JJ then AK-AQ then maybe TT or AJ because of the hand before he might just be frustrated and i dont remember if i was suited Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 i feel your concern it is risky but out of the three options i think it goes in order of best to worse: Shove, fold, flatShove equities of first range with no real play back from your image:we are 50-51% and we still have a microscopic % folding equity, with some play back the numbers are exactly the same but we have more folding equity from 10's and AJ so it is our best move Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I really dont understand what is wrong with flatting here, you have position and still have 30 freaking BBs left if you whiff the flop. The small 4bet from a oop player is often pretty strong I've found, and if you shove villain will have to call 13k to win 22k. He's going to snap you with pretty much anything TT+. Link to post Share on other sites
rbakken2504 0 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I really dont understand what is wrong with flatting here, you have position and still have 30 freaking BBs left if you whiff the flop. The small 4bet from a oop player is often pretty strong I've found, and if you shove villain will have to call 13k to win 22k. He's going to snap you with pretty much anything TT+.I agree with this post, sitting this deep, you dont need to shove your chips in a spot thats more than likely a flip....I think flatting here is the best option....if hero had less chips than a shove would be more optimal, but i definitely think flatting is best in this spot....and you can also make strong arguments for folding or shoving too...but like i said, how deep we are, in position...flat Link to post Share on other sites
Dhall901 0 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Not another AK preflop...I'm not touchin it. Link to post Share on other sites
JSpencer 0 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I really dont understand what is wrong with flatting here, you have position and still have 30 freaking BBs left if you whiff the flop. The small 4bet from a oop player is often pretty strong I've found, and if you shove villain will have to call 13k to win 22k. He's going to snap you with pretty much anything TT+.Seriously..... If we flat this and miss, we can c bet , see where we are, and if he comes over the top, we know we are beat and still have enough chips to play with.I see no reason to shove with AK in this position. Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 ok so pot is 8,600 to you with about about 8,400 left with your stake size you just can't flat, you commit yourself with a call so it is a push. This may be him playing back at us, and even so only 2 hands have us crushed, assuming we are off suit, so it is a push we would need much deeper stacks to flat and or a super solid read that he is sssoooo tight that the ONLY hands he would do this with is A's or K's so i insta shove here it is only 3.6K more i would bet that anything he 4-bets calls our 5-bet shove but his range is still wild enough for most people that i think we are good here. Also a fold due to not wanting to gamble is wrong, we drop to less than half the average stack size and soon will be in panic mode so push while you still have 6 almost pure outs. Also villain could show up with AK or AQ we need to shove hereWhen I read everything you post I make the face in your avatar.Except I'm not black. Link to post Share on other sites
JSpencer 0 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 When I read everything you post I make the face in your avatar.Except I'm not black.Don't worry, I got you covered Link to post Share on other sites
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