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Check out this comment by Rep. Carolyn Kilpatrick be explained?Carolyn Kilpatrick (D-Mich.), a former Congressional Black Caucus chairwoman, expressed outrage that conservatives would insist on significant cuts and a weakening of the public option, arguing that many of the Blue Dogs were letting down their black constituents, who make up 25 percent to 40 percent of their voters, in some instances.”Yeah, that’s right. Opposing the public options on cost grounds betrays blacks. Because, you know, all blacks are destined to be on the public dole, right Congresswoman?

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Yeah, that’s right. Opposing the public options on cost grounds betrays blacks. Because, you know, all blacks are destined to be on the public dole, right Congresswoman?
Are you claiming to be unaware of the relationship between socioeconomic status and race?
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The amount of ignorance in this thread is astonishing even by FCP politic forum standards.

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Something we can agree on!!
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Historian Larry Schweikart has noted that Obama’s monstrous “healthcare” Bill includes, among hundreds of other things: * Page 22: A mandate for the Government to audit the books of all employers that self insure. * Pg 30: A Government committee that will decide what treatments/benefits a person may receive. * Pg 42: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You will have no choice! * Pg 50: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise. * Pg 58: Government will have real-time access to an individual’s finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued! * Pg 59: Government will have direct access to your bank accounts. * Pg 65: Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions and community or ganizations like ACORN. * PG 85: The Government will ration your Healthcare! * Pg 95: The Government will use groups, i.e. ACORN & Americorps, to sign up individuals for Government HC plan. * PG 85: Specifics of Benefit Levels for AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed. * pg 124: No company can sue Government on price fixing and there can be no “judicial review” against Government Monopoly. * Pg 145: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE. * Pg 126: Employers MUST pay for healthcare for part time employees AND their families. * Pg 149: ANY Employer with payroll $400k & above who does not provide public option pays 8 percent tax on all payroll. * pg 150: Businesses with payroll between $251k & $400k that don’t provide public option pay 2-6 percent tax on all payroll. * Pg 167 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5 percent of income. * Pg 170: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is e xempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay). * Pg 195: Officers & employees of the Healthcare Administration (the GOVERNMENT) will have access to ALL Americans’ finances and personal records. * PG 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that. * Pg 239: Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected. * Pg 241: Doctors—doesn’t matter what specialty—will all be paid the same. * PG 253: Government sets value of Doctor’s time, professional judgment, etc.—literally, the value of humans. * PG 272: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing! * Pg 317-318: Government will mandate that hospitals cannot expand. * Pg 354: Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! * PG 425: Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultations for seniors‚ end-of-life prodding. * Pg 425: Government will instruct & consult regarding living wills , durable powers of attorney. Mandatory! * PG 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in how to die. * PG 429: “Advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from the Government to end a life! * PG 430: The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life. * Pg 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services/Non-profit orgs. (ACORN Medical Services here?) * Pg 494-498: Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.

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I have sent it to over 100 people...some of them democrats. Yea I admit it, I do have some friends that are that misinformed...I try to show them the light. Hopfully this one hits home enough that even the blinds loyalists see through it.I challenge anyone to repond with how this bill is good for our nation and better or more cost effective then the plan in place right now.

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I have sent it to over 100 people...some of them democrats. Yea I admit it, I do have some friends that are that misinformed...I try to show them the light. Hopfully this one hits home enough that even the blinds loyalists see through it.I challenge anyone to repond with how this bill is good for our nation and better or more cost effective then the plan in place right now.
The only people who think this bill is any good are 1. the corporate interests that are being paid off and the politicians they reward, and 2. the extremely lazy and stupid who believe the government has a magic wand that gives you something for nothing.I have not met anyone who doesn't fall into one of those two categories who supports this bill.EDIT: Unfortunately, most of the people who actually get a vote fall into one or both of these categories.
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The only people who think this bill is any good are 1. the corporate interests that are being paid off and the politicians they reward, and 2. the extremely lazy and stupid who believe the government has a magic wand that gives you something for nothing.I have not met anyone who doesn't fall into one of those two categories who supports this bill.EDIT: Unfortunately, most of the people who actually get a vote fall into one or both of these categories.
so sad...so true...we are ****ed
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I'll start off by admitting that I haven't read the actual document that this proports to address so this is only my thoughts on what is here

Historian Larry Schweikart has noted that Obama’s monstrous “healthcare” Bill includes, among hundreds of other things: * Page 22: A mandate for the Government to audit the books of all employers that self insure.Lol well we don't seem to mind when that other branch of bureaucracy the IRS audits the books so another government agency sticking their nose in shouldn't be that big a deal * Pg 30: A Government committee that will decide what treatments/benefits a person may receive.Okay Blue Cross just denied payment for my colonoscopy even though I have digestive symptoms and my dad died of colon cancer. So how is this any different? Different bureaucracy is all. * Pg 42: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You will have no choice!And my husbands employer, the school district, picks what Blue Cross plans it will offer which is tantamount to the same thing. Again different bureaucracy, same result. * Pg 50: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.This pisses me off. There's no way that anything but emergency care should be given to non-U.S. citizens that can't produce a valid green card or visa. * Pg 58: Government will have real-time access to an individual’s finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued!This is particularly odious to me though in reality, I have no doubt that the government could get any access they wanted to our individual finances through the IRS if it so desired. Doesn't make me happy though. * Pg 59: Government will have direct access to your bank accounts.Again, you seem to think this is something new, it's not. The IRS has had this ability given to them ever since it began. * Pg 65: Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions and community or ganizations like ACORN.Don't know about this but it seems when Republicans throw their constituencies a bone, it's okay but when it's the Dems it's not and vice versa. I don't like it from either side of the aisle. * PG 85: The Government will ration your Healthcare!Blue Cross rations mine now as I stated above. No difference. * Pg 95: The Government will use groups, i.e. ACORN & Americorps, to sign up individuals for Government HC plan.Why not use the county health departments? Seems like you'd be more likely to reach more uninsured that way than with those groups. But this isn't about efficiency which is par for the course with any government program. * PG 85: Specifics of Benefit Levels for AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed.Already answered - my health care is rationed now * pg 124: No company can sue Government on price fixing and there can be no “judicial review” against Government Monopoly.If this isn't unconstitutional it should be. I'd like to see the Supreme Court address this one. * Pg 145: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE.That's not what President Obama said. He said if we liked our health care we could keep it. I'll be interested to see how this is spun. * Pg 126: Employers MUST pay for healthcare for part time employees AND their families.Poor Walmart. No longer can get away with not paying benefits by having their employees work only 39 hours in a week. Guess we'll see their prices rising which is only right since there are companies that do pay the benefits to their employees and don't attempt to cheat them. Costco comes to mind and it seems to be doing pretty well. * Pg 149: ANY Employer with payroll $400k & above who does not provide public option pays 8 percent tax on all payroll. * pg 150: Businesses with payroll between $251k & $400k that don’t provide public option pay 2-6 percent tax on all payroll.Okay if page 145 is true then this point should be moot right? * Pg 167 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5 percent of income.I'd say after this that anyone not having acceptable health care probably won't have an income to tax. What's the definition of "acceptable" anyway? * Pg 170: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is e xempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay).Non-resident alien is either illegal or here on a visa and isn't taxed now except for those illegals that have fake id's They have to pay SS and all that and don't get any benefit from it. So this is kind of a stupid comment. * Pg 195: Officers & employees of the Healthcare Administration (the GOVERNMENT) will have access to ALL Americans’ finances and personal records.Again, the IRS already has this information. I don't like another government agency having the information but I'm not naive enough to believe they couldn't obtain it with or without this bill. * PG 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that.LOL * Pg 239: Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.okay my thoughts are that Medicaid is already in financial trouble so this isn't news is it? I mean they're going to have to reduce the costs some way right? * Pg 241: Doctors—doesn’t matter what specialty—will all be paid the same.I see a great number of family physicians coming out of med school and eventually this will cause a shortage of specialists. Either it'll have to be revised, revoked or the government will have to give some incentives to doctors who pursue particular specialties that are in short supply. * PG 253: Government sets value of Doctor’s time, professional judgment, etc.—literally, the value of humans.Not something I want to see happen but again, the private insurance companies already do this. * PG 272: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!Since I've not read the actual document, I'm not entirely sure what this is about except that most private health insurers have a lifetime cap on their policies so I assume this is the same thing. If it's not then let's see the actual language. * Pg 317-318: Government will mandate that hospitals cannot expand.Really? Again I'd like to see the actual language involved in this. I have a feeling he's extrapolating something out of these pages that is an unlikely scenario. * Pg 354: Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!LOL I so much doubt this. I'd say it wouldn't pass constitutional muster if nothing else. Plus I see the ACLU having a field day with it. Don't count on it happening. * PG 425: Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultations for seniors‚ end-of-life prodding.Again extrapolating possibilities that may only be in a small number of cases. The AARP is a powerful lobby for a reason. And I don't see them supporting anything that would reduce their numbers. * Pg 425: Government will instruct & consult regarding living wills , durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!Okay now what I'm asking is if this is something connected to Medicaid or what? I don't see the government being able to constitutionally get involved in this unless the senior citizen is enrolled in a government medical program. Of course that does cover probably 95% of seniors in the United States. I guess I don't think it's such a bad idea to prepare for the inevitable but I still believe it should only be strongly encouraged, not mandatory. * PG 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in how to die.Provides you with a list. Gee. Doesn't mean you have to do anything with the list other than file it in the trash can. * PG 429: “Advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from the Government to end a life!Hmm says end of life PLANS. NOT end of life. Says "MAY INCLUDE" This is the one that really makes me think this guy is a hysterical doomsdayer. Does the passage specify that the plan actually has to include doing anything? * PG 430: The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.And Blue Cross does the same now dear. * Pg 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services/Non-profit orgs. (ACORN Medical Services here?)So those who are so for community based everything else are now against this because they're reading some conspiracy into it? Com'on people get a grip! * Pg 494-498: Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.So basically the same as private sector insurance. Gee I would expect that the government plan would include some of those cost-saving ideas that have worked so well for the private insurance industry. But we're talking about the government here so I suppose I should actually be surprised.
By the way, in case you hadn't guessed, I have a great number of concerns about this bill. But I also hate the people who so overstate the concerns as to negate and dilute the impact of the real problems. It's like all those things that get passed around the internet that turn out to be false or overblown. There's so many of them that any true threat would get lost in the sea of false alarms.
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By the way, in case you hadn't guessed, I have a great number of concerns about this bill. But I also hate the people who so overstate the concerns as to negate and dilute the impact of the real problems. It's like all those things that get passed around the internet that turn out to be false or overblown. There's so many of them that any true threat would get lost in the sea of false alarms.
you really mean this? really?? Nah....you added the SW in White and I can't see it. There you go that I can believe. Whooo I feel better now. You had me for a minute...LOL good one.Kool-Aid is on the top shelf next to the Cyanide
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Lol well we don't seem to mind when that other branch of bureaucracy the IRS audits the books so another government agency sticking their nose in shouldn't be that big a deal
What makes you think we don't mind the government prying into our personal affairs? I've never heard anyone say they enjoy this.
Okay Blue Cross just denied payment for my colonoscopy even though I have digestive symptoms and my dad died of colon cancer. So how is this any different? Different bureaucracy is all.
Because now you tell people what a ripoff BC is and they weigh that into their decision of what insurance to purchase. Also, there is a contract telling what they will and won't cover, and if they break the contract they can be sued.Compare this to Single Payer, where there is nobody else to run to and coverage can be changed on the whim of Congress or the departments created to decide how much your life is worth. Which would you prefer: 100 choices, each bound by reputation and contract law, or 1 choice, bound by the whims of politicians?
Again, you seem to think this is something new, it's not. The IRS has had this ability given to them ever since it began.
Two wrongs hardly make a right, especially for something this offensive.
Don't know about this but it seems when Republicans throw their constituencies a bone, it's okay but when it's the Dems it's not and vice versa. I don't like it from either side of the aisle.
See, but that's the thing, nobody likes this kind of stuff, on either side, except for the politicians who benefit from it. The problem is we're sort of helpless in the face of it because of people who believe in the "wasted vote" theory -- that the lesser of two evils is better than a principled stand for what is right. Until people stop thinking of elections as horse races where there is a reward for picking the winner, this problem will continue.
Blue Cross rations mine now as I stated above. No difference.
Except for the huge ones I pointed out. Ignore those differences at your own peril. The other difference is that right now, you can still get the treatment you want if you are willing to pay for it out of pocket. This bill would make it impossible for you to get any care that a government bureaucrat does not think is worthwhile -- in fact, that's the entire point of the bill. So which would you prefer, a system where you are denied coverage and die, or a system where you are denied coverage and have to borrow money from your friends to pay for treatment? The government is offering you the former, free markets the latter. Choose carefully.
That's not what President Obama said. He said if we liked our health care we could keep it. I'll be interested to see how this is spun.
He is lying, and flagrantly. The bill says you can keep your own private insurance for up to five years or until it changes -- and that means any change in prices or coverage. This is perhaps Obama's most flagrant lie of his administration, and that's saying a lot.
Poor Walmart. No longer can get away with not paying benefits by having their employees work only 39 hours in a week. Guess we'll see their prices rising which is only right since there are companies that do pay the benefits to their employees and don't attempt to cheat them. Costco comes to mind and it seems to be doing pretty well.
Economics 101: if the cost of an input goes up, less of that input will be used. So one of two things will happen -- either massive unemployment, or pay cuts so that the cost of insurance is offset by reduced wages. Some people take part time jobs and jobs without health insurance for very specific family and personal reasons. Obama wants to deny them that choice.
I'd say after this that anyone not having acceptable health care probably won't have an income to tax. What's the definition of "acceptable" anyway?
The definition of acceptable is set by a new bureaucratic department. You must have no more and no less coverage than they say, regardless of whether it makes financial or personal sense for you.
I see a great number of family physicians coming out of med school and eventually this will cause a shortage of specialists. Either it'll have to be revised, revoked or the government will have to give some incentives to doctors who pursue particular specialties that are in short supply.
They will do what all the other socialized countries do -- move the waiting lists to politically powerless areas, and ration their asses off.
LOL I so much doubt this. I'd say it wouldn't pass constitutional muster if nothing else. Plus I see the ACLU having a field day with it. Don't count on it happening.
At best it's a reflection of the stupidity in this bill. At worst, it's backdoor eugenics.Overall, your main criticism seems to be that we already have rationing, by other means. First, I don't really support the current system, because it is not based on fair competition. Let's level the playing field and see what happens.But even the current system is 10,000X better than what this bill proposes to do. When the government says "we don't cover that", that treatment goes away -- it is unavailable at any price. When Blue Cross says "we don't cover that", you can try to find a company that does, or buy it privately. Look at vision correction surgery in the last 20 years. Insurance doesn't cover that, yet it has gone from very expensive and spotty results to very cheap and excellent results. This is the fruit of competition. Under a government system, we would not have such surgery, because it would be banned -- if the government won't pay for it, you can't have it.This is not a minor difference of one bureaucracy vs another. This is a world of difference between price and service competition vs the end of innovation.
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Your Health Care isn't "rationed" now. There are limits based on the plan to which you CHOOSE to belong. Very different concept. If you CHOOSE to change your coverage or, horrors of horrors, pay for your procedures or additional coverage, you can CHOOSE to do so at any time. You have made personal CHOICES that have led you to your current coverage (or lack thereof). This "plan" takes away personal CHOICE and Responsibility.

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Poor Walmart. No longer can get away with not paying benefits by having their employees work only 39 hours in a week. Guess we'll see their prices rising which is only right since there are companies that do pay the benefits to their employees and don't attempt to cheat them. Costco comes to mind and it seems to be doing pretty well.
Forget the Liberal mantra of Bad Big Business and Walmart "cheating" their employees...The problem is in small and midsized business, family businesses, and even part-time workers hired by individuals. This is the backbone of American Economics and represents the "American Dream" for many.
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Government Run Healthcare - Did you know...Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, is President Obama's "Special Advisor for Health Policy", and a key architect behind the government run healthcare plan. Emanuel is an advocate of rationing healthcare for cost reduction. He has a frightening philosophy in regard to access to healthcare for infants, senior citizens and those deemed not to be "participating citizens". Here is what he had to say about individuals suffering from dementia:"services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia."The following is what Dr. Emanuel had to say about healthcare for infant children:"Consideration of the importance of complete lives also supports modifying the youngest-first principle by prioritizing adolescents and young adults over infants. Adolescents have received substantial education and parental care, investments that will be wasted without a complete life. Infants, by contrast, have not yet received these investments."These ideas are embodied in an article Emmanuel recently co-authored titled "Principles for allocation of scarce medical interventions" regarding the rationing of healthcare such as vaccines, organs, etc.The following excerpt from the article sums up the "Complete Lives System" rationing model proposed by Emmanuel:"This system incorporates five principles: youngest-first, prognosis, save the most lives, lottery, and instrumental value. ... When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated (lessened)"
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You can also currently choose to augment the cheap BC/BS plan you are paying for through your husband's employer with tax free healthcare savings accounts, which will go away.

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You can also currently choose to augment the cheap BC/BS plan you are paying for through your husband's employer with tax free healthcare savings accounts, which will go away.
Nim, there is a document filed with the state called a summary plan description for every insurance plan there is, including yours. In that document, it's spelled out exactly how procedures are paid, including colonoscopy's (colonoscopies?). I would venture a guess that you didn't read your insurance policy or summary documents prior to having your procedure done. If there is a discrepancy, then you should be able to appeal.Don't you think it's your responsibility to know how your insurance works? Why is this situation anyone's fault except your own? How would a national health plan have solved your problems any different? Or would you be happy with any government plan as long as it covers what you want it to? (colonoscopy) I'm just curious how you rationalize this.
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To the Wal Mart comment. They are the biggest proponent of this plan, because, guess what? It would save them 10's of millions or more a year.
That's right -- Obama's continuing plan to reward the richest campaign contributors while ripping off the poor, all while claiming to do the opposite.Does anybody believe a single word Obama says anymore? I mean, I didn't miraculously expect an honest politician, but Obama is taking deception to whole new levels. He's making Bill Clinton look like a slacker.
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Overall, your main criticism seems to be that we already have rationing, by other means. First, I don't really support the current system, because it is not based on fair competition. Let's level the playing field and see what happens.But even the current system is 10,000X better than what this bill proposes to do. When the government says "we don't cover that", that treatment goes away -- it is unavailable at any price. When Blue Cross says "we don't cover that", you can try to find a company that does, or buy it privately. Look at vision correction surgery in the last 20 years. Insurance doesn't cover that, yet it has gone from very expensive and spotty results to very cheap and excellent results. This is the fruit of competition. Under a government system, we would not have such surgery, because it would be banned -- if the government won't pay for it, you can't have it.This is not a minor difference of one bureaucracy vs another. This is a world of difference between price and service competition vs the end of innovation.
As far as the vision correction surgery goes. So are you saying that in a post Obama Healthcare world we would lose sight of vision correction and what it has done for people in the last 20 years? Would people no longer be able to spend their money on this surgery? Also, would people who don't believe in western medicine still be able to go to get accupuncture or any other healing methods that they were willing to pay for? Wouldn't this in turn get many Dr"s to turn to their own private practices? Could you just start up your own Dr office and people could pay you up front?Also, say you have two jobs can you then help your employer by not having them put you on the insurance because you are already on the insurance of your 1st job? Would this be a way to skirt around the system? Are you saying that ALL the insurance companies in the US market will go BK because of this new health plan? If you are on one plan then you can't pick a private health plan?If these are all the issues then really we need to run some commercials to tell people about this! How can we properly get the word out? Anyone know the ins and outs of you tube? Why dont' we make a similar commercial to that Guitar airline guy, except we show what the Obama Healthcare is doing? Or are we going to just sit here like normal and take whatever is shoved at us because of the unfortunate idiocy of majority.Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups!
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I have sent it to over 100 people...some of them democrats. Yea I admit it, I do have some friends that are that misinformed...I try to show them the light.
I fucking hate youpeople like you complain to me that they can never get in touch with me via email. no shit, your signal to noise ratio is so bad that I have created a filter to automatically trash everything you send me.can't explain how much the political FWD: FWD: FWD: RE: FWD: FWDs piss me off.
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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups!
say it after me sheeple - yes we can yes we can yes we can
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As far as the vision correction surgery goes. So are you saying that in a post Obama Healthcare world we would lose sight of vision correction and what it has done for people in the last 20 years? Would people no longer be able to spend their money on this surgery? Also, would people who don't believe in western medicine still be able to go to get accupuncture or any other healing methods that they were willing to pay for? Wouldn't this in turn get many Dr"s to turn to their own private practices? Could you just start up your own Dr office and people could pay you up front?
Of course we would not forget the advancements in vision correction surgery, but one of two things would happen: it would be covered for *everyone*, or it would be illegal for everyone. The plan makes it quite clear what its main goal is: to control costs by eliminating "unnecessary" procedures. Which ones are unnecessary? Why, the ones that a government budget committee thinks are unnecessary, of course.And yes, it would be illegal to offer private services not paid for by the government after the first 5 years. Under Billary's plan the fine was $10,000 and/or 5 years in jail. This time they cleverly left off the details of the punishment.I suspect what would happen in reality is that we would quickly develop a black market for things the government doesn't approve, but innovation would immediately grind to a halt.
Also, say you have two jobs can you then help your employer by not having them put you on the insurance because you are already on the insurance of your 1st job? Would this be a way to skirt around the system? Are you saying that ALL the insurance companies in the US market will go BK because of this new health plan? If you are on one plan then you can't pick a private health plan?
The plan says you can keep a private plan for five years or until there are any changes to coverage or cost. What are the odds that happens in year 1? So they like to pretend it's competition, but in reality, it's the death of competition. Yes, every insurance company would go bankrupt if this bill becomes law. And no, you won't be able to pick a plan, because there will be only one. If you have two jobs, I guess you pay for it twice and then have to fill out your taxes to get part of your money back.
If these are all the issues then really we need to run some commercials to tell people about this! How can we properly get the word out? Anyone know the ins and outs of you tube? Why dont' we make a similar commercial to that Guitar airline guy, except we show what the Obama Healthcare is doing? Or are we going to just sit here like normal and take whatever is shoved at us because of the unfortunate idiocy of majority.Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups!
It looks like this current plan has zero percent chance of passing. That's the good news. The bad news is that this is the crazy plan to soften us up so that when they introduce the 1/2 trillion dollar plan that takes twice as long to destroy medicine in this country we're just glad it didn't cost a trillion dollars.
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