Balloon guy 158 Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 I'm pretty sure Ivey has a system to beat craps.I am joking but I'm kinda serious too. Did ya ever think Ivey could have a system that allows him to be a long-term winner at craps? I mean, Stu Ungar must have known something about Gin Rummy that nobody else in the world knew so I guess it is possible. All I know for sure is this, Ivey is the King of Vegas. There is only one king of Vegas! Link to post Share on other sites
coug2828 8 Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 a system for beating a game based on random chance? i'm sure it's fool proof Link to post Share on other sites
Stiles2004 0 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I'm going to shoot dice tonight, I'm going to try a system... wish me luckMy system is not rolling 7 very much Link to post Share on other sites
gfdsa146 0 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I'm pretty sure Ivey has a system to beat craps.I am joking but I'm kinda serious too. Did ya ever think Ivey could have a system that allows him to be a long-term winner at craps? I mean, Stu Ungar must have known something about Gin Rummy that nobody else in the world knew so I guess it is possible. All I know for sure is this, Ivey is the King of Vegas.If he does have some system, casinos would have banned him from playing a long time ago. Even pitbosses can get skittish. Link to post Share on other sites
lolly.gag.her 0 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 If he does have some system, casinos would have banned him from playing a long time ago. Even pitbosses can get skittish.i dont think any one casino can ban phil ivey, he is bigger than any combination of casinos up to 3. do you think he really knows , or much less cares , how much he has made. i might start a video blog titled , my moms ass vs. your punk ass see if I can get picked up for 12 or 13 episodes with raw vegas Link to post Share on other sites
James D 0 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Phil Ivey < Tom Dwan. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 a system for beating a game based on random chance? i'm sure it's fool proofive never done this before but wowepic fail Link to post Share on other sites
Jariso13 1 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 im planning on staying up all night and inventing a supersystem to dominate rolette and then get richhhhhes Link to post Share on other sites
pokerkid 0 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Think of the comps you can get though.level? Link to post Share on other sites
avsfan 0 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 $26this 26 $ you speak of must mean god of the universe. Link to post Share on other sites
avsfan 0 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I heard a rumor that he had a 5 million dollar bet with howard lederer about winning 2 bracelets in 3 years. Needless to say that Ivey won and howard is still rolling in the dough from Full Tilt.you know whos awesome? howards sister Katy. Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I'm pretty sure Ivey has a system to beat craps.I am joking but I'm kinda serious too. Did ya ever think Ivey could have a system that allows him to be a long-term winner at craps? I mean, Stu Ungar must have known something about Gin Rummy that nobody else in the world knew so I guess it is possible. All I know for sure is this, Ivey is the King of Vegas.The only advantage Ungar had over his opponents was his ability to count cards better than anyone.If you have a good memory and are half way decent at counting cards, then you can do well in Gin Rummy. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I heard a rumor that he had a 5 million dollar bet with howard lederer about winning 2 bracelets in 3 years. Needless to say that Ivey won and howard is still rolling in the dough from Full Tilt.the rumor was the bet was made after his first bracelet win this year, so he would still need one more to win. Link to post Share on other sites
GetSprung 0 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 I'm pretty sure Ivey has a system to beat craps.I am joking but I'm kinda serious too. Did ya ever think Ivey could have a system that allows him to be a long-term winner at craps? I mean, Stu Ungar must have known something about Gin Rummy that nobody else in the world knew so I guess it is possible. All I know for sure is this, Ivey is the King of Vegas.My roommate was on his craps table for a little while at the Venetian and he didn't seem to have a system. I bet it's no Al_Smooth craps system. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 The only advantage Ungar had over his opponents was his ability to count cards better than anyone.If you have a good memory and are half way decent at counting cards, then you can do well in Gin Rummy.there's a lot more to it than that - you still have to figure out what the cards mean for the opponents hand Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 there's a lot more to it than that - you still have to figure out what the cards mean for the opponents handWell if your opponent picks up the 3d and you know the 2d and 4d are either in your hand or dead, then you can be certain he either has 3's or is taking the card on a spec. It's basically a combination of knowing what's in your hand + remembering the dead cards will help you know what your opponent holds.Let's say you're getting deep into the hand, and you draw the 8c. If you know that 2 8's are dead, but you haven't seen the 6c or 9c, then holding onto the 8c is probably the best play. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Well if your opponent picks up the 3d and you know the 2d and 4d are either in your hand or dead, then you can be certain he either has 3's or is taking the card on a spec. It's basically a combination of knowing what's in your hand + remembering the dead cards will help you know what your opponent holds.Let's say you're getting deep into the hand, and you draw the 8c. If you know that 2 8's are dead, but you haven't seen the 6c or 9c, then holding onto the 8c is probably the best play.if it were that easy Ungar wouldn't have been so dominantI talked to Nolan Dalla who wrote the Unger book One of a Kind about the Gin Tournaments that he used to win and how they could ban him and he told me that they were mostly composed of senior citizens and he came in and would just destroy them and be really obnoxious about itbut nevertheless nobody denies that he was just unreal at gin - people may argue about his poker talents but every single person says he was the greatest gin player or all time - you know he was because no one would play him after a while Link to post Share on other sites
Jam-Fly 8 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Yeah, I honestly believe that Ungar knew something about Gin Rummy that no one else in the world knew/knows. I mean, he was so utterly dominant in a card game (ie a game with a reasonable amount of chance) that he must've known something that no else knew. There is no card player that has come close to being as dominant as Ungar was at Gin Rummy.As for Ivey, if he did have a system, the Casino couldn't ban him. That's the beauty of it! Why couldn't they ban him? Because he's PHIL IVEY! Link to post Share on other sites
Stiles2004 0 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Wouldn't some genius have figured out this dice system by now? Mathematician perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites
powerpoker 0 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Does anyone know if Phil Ivey has a gold toilet if he's so damn rich hahaI was at his house about 2 years ago and at that time i can assure you there was no gold toilet.Any casino can refuse to accept his wagers on craps if they like. I know there are at least 1 casino that refused his action after he went on an incredible roll. My friend rolled with him at Bellagio one night and won him about 1.7 mil. Link to post Share on other sites
Pivvy2001 0 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 there's a lot more to it than that - you still have to figure out what the cards mean for the opponents handThat was his "system." He was good enough to determine what the other player was holding based on his moves to that point in the game. Then he would protect those cards that his opponent needed (by holding on to them). A lot of this is discussed in "One of A Kind." I don't think you can call it a system as much him just knowing how to play and making better decisions than his opponent. Link to post Share on other sites
Dratj 0 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 I was at his house about 2 years ago and at that time i can assure you there was no gold toilet.Any casino can refuse to accept his wagers on craps if they like. I know there are at least 1 casino that refused his action after he went on an incredible roll. My friend rolled with him at Bellagio one night and won him about 1.7 mil.cool story if true. more details? Link to post Share on other sites
powerpoker 0 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 cool story if true. more details?Which story, the one of me at his house or the one with my boy throwin dice with him. Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 ive never done this before but wowepic failAgreed Link to post Share on other sites
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