vbnautilus 48 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 You guys are totally missing the point. That which can readily be learned through observation cannot be evidence of externally provided knowledge. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 then you should disregard as false your own date for the torah.This list was shorter than I had imagined. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 This list was shorter than I had imagined.deuteronomy was written much later than you imagine. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 You guys are totally missing the point. That which can readily be learned through observation cannot be evidence of externally provided knowledge.this is true. but at the same time if the exodus story were based in fact, and deuteronomy was actually contemporarywith the ebers papyrus, it would be a bit of an anomaly that egyptian and hebrew cultures weren't somewhatmore synchronized. it wouldn't be evidence of divinely provided knowledge, but it would require some additionalexplanation.since the exodus story is myth and deuteronomy was written 1000+ years later there's nothing to explain. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 this is true. but at the same time if the exodus story were based in fact, and deuteronomy was actually contemporarywith the ebers papyrus, it would be a bit of an anomaly that egyptian and hebrew cultures weren't somewhatmore synchronized. it wouldn't be evidence of divinely provided knowledge, but it would require some additionalexplanation.since the exodus story is myth and deuteronomy was written 1000+ years later there's nothing to explain.This is 100% true*...For the rest of us..you can go with the experts who disagree*if you consider hope truth Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 This is 100% true*...For the rest of us..you can go with the experts who disagreeyour "experts" (apologists) who believe exodus is a literal history of the jews are in the minority, probably a very small minorityin the overall archeological community, and they can't even agree among themselves on the date, whether the hyksos were thejews or not, who the pharoah of moses was etc. it's kind of a joke. Link to post Share on other sites
solderz 0 Posted August 18, 2009 Author Share Posted August 18, 2009 This is 100% true*...For the rest of us..you can go with the experts who disagree*if you consider hope truthObviously you consider the people sitting next to you in the pew as experts, because as far as biblical scholars go, you couldn't be further from the truth. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Obviously you consider the people sitting next to you in the pew as experts, because as far as biblical scholars go, you couldn't be further from the truth.Not to be a nit, but your op doesn't lend itself to believing you have a good grasp of the subject.crow likes to pretend that everyone is on board wiht him, but the truth is, the short bus he is on isn't even very full Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Not to be a nit, but your op doesn't lend itself to believing you have a good grasp of the subject.nothing you post lends itself to believing you have a good grasp of any relevant subject.and the OP has nothing to do with archeological consensus on evidence for the exodus (obviously)crow likes to pretend that everyone is on board wiht him, but the truth is, the short bus he is on isn't even very fullyou were the one who appealed to authority. anyone who cares enough to research the subject is free to do so. attacking me won't change what they will find. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 deuteronomy was written much later than you imagine.cult speak + dodging the question = crowtrobot Link to post Share on other sites
solderz 0 Posted August 19, 2009 Author Share Posted August 19, 2009 Not to be a nit, but your op doesn't lend itself to believing you have a good grasp of the subject.I kind of find this comment funny. I quoted another author and linked to a story he was describing about the CNN article. I was incorrect (since he was incorrect) in my statement that the document did not reference the resurrection. Then I realized my mistake, and admitted it. This last action is something you are quite clearly unable to do. And my making one mistake regarding one story about an old biblical text, does not warrant further conclusions about my knowledge of religious scholars. But as you've already proven, logic isn't your strong point. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I kind of find this comment funny. I quoted another author and linked to a story he was describing about the CNN article. I was incorrect (since he was incorrect) in my statement that the document did not reference the resurrection. Then I realized my mistake, and admitted it. This last action is something you are quite clearly unable to do. And my making one mistake regarding one story about an old biblical text, does not warrant further conclusions about my knowledge of religious scholars. But as you've already proven, logic isn't your strong point.Or it is..and you don't follow...ever think of that? Link to post Share on other sites
solderz 0 Posted August 19, 2009 Author Share Posted August 19, 2009 Or it is..and you don't follow...ever think of that?There is no world in which the conclusion you made about me is logical. But, if there is one thing you christians are good at, it's making snap judgments. Thanks for not letting us down. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 cult speak + dodging the question = crowtrobotboth the ancient greeks and romans practiced ritual hand washing. the ancient chinese were also heavily into cleanliness. other asian peoples have the custom of keeping one hand clean for eating (while using the other for toilet paper) that go back 1000s of years. contemporary cultures also practiced thorough washing off of "unclean" stuff such as blood and bodily discharge, and knew enough not to touch dead bodies unless they were cleaned. there's nothing about the ritualistic cleanliness rules in deuteronomy that would have been particularly insightful for the time period in which it was written.as for "prior to 2000 BC" i don't know what was going on then and don't care since that's completely irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 what's really funny is comparing the amount of insight and experience that would have been necessary for primitive egyptians to engineer the pyramids (something we are still struggling to understand today) with the amount of insight and experience that would have been necessary to learn that it's good to wash your hands.maybe you should be worshipping Ra. Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 maybe you should be worshipping Ra.This is really not a bad idea. If there is anything worth worshipping, it is probably the sun. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 This is really not a bad idea. If there is anything worth worshipping, it is probably the sun.or taweret, because "He who will save us all" lies in its shadow Link to post Share on other sites
solderz 0 Posted August 19, 2009 Author Share Posted August 19, 2009 She-Ra FTW Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 what's really funny is comparing the amount of insight and experience that would have been necessary for primitive egyptians to engineer the pyramids (something we are still struggling to understand today) with the amount of insight and experience that would have been necessary to learn that it's good to wash your hands.maybe you should be worshipping Ra.Nice. Link to post Share on other sites
Spademan 94 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Ra is my fatherBrown skin bathed by summer's lightHathor and I smile Link to post Share on other sites
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