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PokerStars Game #29631194877: Tournament #171724786, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (50/100) - 2009/06/21 16:49:22 ETTable '171724786 705' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 2: nooly77 (10425 in chips) Seat 3: BAnAnIEBAnAn (10375 in chips) Seat 4: duudsmaan (6275 in chips) is sitting outSeat 5: moondoggi3 (13775 in chips) Seat 6: TiltDennis (7625 in chips) Seat 8: Gween65 (11650 in chips) Seat 9: Dardan0s (9875 in chips) BAnAnIEBAnAn: posts small blind 50duudsmaan: posts big blind 100*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Gween65 [Qh Qs]moondoggi3: folds TiltDennis: folds Gween65: raises 150 to 250Dardan0s: calls 250nooly77: folds BAnAnIEBAnAn: raises 900 to 1150duudsmaan: folds Gween65: calls 900Dardan0s: calls 900*** FLOP *** [3h 2c Jc]BAnAnIEBAnAn: bets 1725Gween65: calls 1725Dardan0s: folds *** TURN *** [3h 2c Jc] [Kd]BAnAnIEBAnAn: bets 3000Gween65: calls 3000*** RIVER *** [3h 2c Jc Kd] [Ac]BAnAnIEBAnAn: bets 4500 and is all-inGween65: calls 4500BAnAnIEBAnAn had made very similar plays 3 time before on this table and each time showed up with a small pair. He hadn't played any AK or AQ type of hands this way. I made a 2.5 raise in early position and get a call from the guy immediately to my left. Fairly big raise and I am assuming he has a pair. I call not sure what the guy on my left is planning, and he also calls.At this point I was thinking that if I didn't have someone right after me, I would have re-raised. I was worried about getting shoved on by the guy to my left, wasn't really worried about a re-raise from BAnAnIEBAnAn. I am basically planning on foldiong to a sizable bet with any A or K that hits the board and evaluating otherwise. I have the overpair on the flop, and I am really only worried about a set from the raiser and KK or AA from the player after me. I call the bet on the flop and the other player folds, which makes me more comfortable. I am sure I have the raiser beat pre-flop, and unless he hit a set, I am pretty confident I am ahead. When the turn comes a K, I think this is a good card for me, and at this point I pretty much commit to going all the way with this hand. River Ace is not a card that I think changes anything either.This was pretty early in the Sunday Million, and I have been questioning my decision making about this hand. I could have easily folded to the pre-flop raise, but I really don't want to get pushed around either. Should I go with my read, or find a better spot? If I get away from this, where do I get away? Ultimately, my read was correct, but I ended up risking my entire stack pretty early, and I really didn't want to gamble so soon.I would really appreciate some input.Gween

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Results from above, if you are curious:*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 22000 | Rake 0 Board [3h 2c Jc Kd Ac]Seat 2: nooly77 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: BAnAnIEBAnAn (small blind) showed [Jh Js] and won (22000) with three of a kind, JacksSeat 4: duudsmaan (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: moondoggi3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: TiltDennis folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: Gween65 showed [Qh Qs] and lost with a pair of QueensSeat 9: Dardan0s folded on the Flop

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PokerStars Game #29631194877: Tournament #171724786, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (50/100) - 2009/06/21 16:49:22 ETTable '171724786 705' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 2: nooly77 (10425 in chips) Seat 3: BAnAnIEBAnAn (10375 in chips) Seat 4: duudsmaan (6275 in chips) is sitting outSeat 5: moondoggi3 (13775 in chips) Seat 6: TiltDennis (7625 in chips) Seat 8: Gween65 (11650 in chips) Seat 9: Dardan0s (9875 in chips) BAnAnIEBAnAn: posts small blind 50duudsmaan: posts big blind 100*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Gween65 [Qh Qs]moondoggi3: folds TiltDennis: folds Gween65: raises 150 to 250Dardan0s: calls 250nooly77: folds BAnAnIEBAnAn: raises 900 to 1150duudsmaan: folds Gween65: calls 900Dardan0s: calls 900*** FLOP *** [3h 2c Jc]BAnAnIEBAnAn: bets 1725Gween65: calls 1725Dardan0s: folds *** TURN *** [3h 2c Jc] [Kd]BAnAnIEBAnAn: bets 3000Gween65: calls 3000*** RIVER *** [3h 2c Jc Kd] [Ac]BAnAnIEBAnAn: bets 4500 and is all-inGween65: calls 4500BAnAnIEBAnAn had made very similar plays 3 time before on this table and each time showed up with a small pair. He hadn't played any AK or AQ type of hands this way. I made a 2.5 raise in early position and get a call from the guy immediately to my left. Fairly big raise and I am assuming he has a pair. I call not sure what the guy on my left is planning, and he also calls.At this point I was thinking that if I didn't have someone right after me, I would have re-raised. I was worried about getting shoved on by the guy to my left, wasn't really worried about a re-raise from BAnAnIEBAnAn. I am basically planning on foldiong to a sizable bet with any A or K that hits the board and evaluating otherwise. I have the overpair on the flop, and I am really only worried about a set from the raiser and KK or AA from the player after me. I call the bet on the flop and the other player folds, which makes me more comfortable. I am sure I have the raiser beat pre-flop, and unless he hit a set, I am pretty confident I am ahead. When the turn comes a K, I think this is a good card for me, and at this point I pretty much commit to going all the way with this hand. River Ace is not a card that I think changes anything either.This was pretty early in the Sunday Million, and I have been questioning my decision making about this hand. I could have easily folded to the pre-flop raise, but I really don't want to get pushed around either. Should I go with my read, or find a better spot? If I get away from this, where do I get away? Ultimately, my read was correct, but I ended up risking my entire stack pretty early, and I really didn't want to gamble so soon.I would really appreciate some input.Gween
Seems like you change your thinking a couple times throughout the hand.The only hand you beat at showdown is 99/TT. Do you think 99/TT is going to 3bet pre against an EP raiser and caller??? You reallly don't beat anything else. If you said you are going to commit to the hand, why not push all in yourself at some point?
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You've got to fold queens here, you beat absolutely nothing. Don't try and go for the soul-read-hero-call. I think the call on the flop is ok, but after the king comes out I'm going to be folding against aggression. If he bets AJ or QJ here he'll lose his chips anyhow, and certainly after the ace comes out, that completes the flush draw, I would say that you are pretty much dead. Why was the K a good card for you? AK, KQ, KJ, all now beat you. and the A was the worst card in the deck for you. Just fold and move on.

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My thinking is that he has a small pair (22-99), based on previous betting patterns. If an A or K came on the flop and he showed aggression against that, then I would likely fold right there. BUt since he showed aggression on a 2-3-J flop, I am still on my read that he has a pocket pair. So the bet on the flop pretty much confirms to me that he likely doesn't have an A or K, so when a K on the turn and A on the flop come, I am thinking that these are good cards for me at that point.I am sure I overthought the hand, both when it happened and afterwards. Ultimately, I got away from my gameplan with this hand and whether I had the best hand or not, it was too much of a gamble and against a weaker player I could have waited for better and less risky spots.Ultimately, I was wondering where I should have gotten away from this and after analyzing it. I think I should have folded to aggression when the King hit. Not because I thought he had a King, but mainly because he didn't seem to be afraid of the King at all. After the Ace came and he still showed no fear, it was either a maniac 3-barrel (which is what I was thinking at the time) or I was dead. I think DemonDonk pretty much nailed it when he suggested I went for the hero soul-read. I do have a weakness that I will work on, of being too committed to an online read and picking off huge bluffs. My live reads are generally very accurate, and I try too hard to carry it across.I think this is likely my biggest leak.Thanks for the input!

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I am very new to online poker and I have been reading the forum here for quite a while but never posted but here is my thinking on this hand. You are in the 2nd level of the Sunday million, the goal is to gain chips without putting yourself at risk too much as it is the early stages of the tournament. My thinking is I can't win the tournament here but I can certainly get myself knocked out here. If you put him on 22-99 (8 hands) and the flop came with a 2 and 3, there is a 25% chance he hit his set. I min raise the flop and see if he flats or comes over the top, then reevaluate. If he misses and is simply making a continuation he more than likely folds to the raise, in which case you increased your stack size by about 1/3, which is pretty good for this point in the tournament. If he flats your min raise you know he has something, when the K falls you can value bet it, he at this point will either flat again or raise at which point you know you are beat and can get away from it, either by folding to a raise or check/folding to anything but a Q on the river. If he flats you may put him on AJ which you are looking to punish him for but you can then get away from when the A hits the river.Is my thinking any better on this? Interested in seeing what some of you think...

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4 bet/call shove preflopRaise flop.Fold turn.For God's sake, fold river.I hope you won a satellite into this tourny.

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