CaneBrain 97 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I played in event #24 of the WSOP and this hand is still nagging at me.The blinds are 100/200 (25 ante). I have about 9.5K in chips. Villain has 13K in chips. I have been playing fairly tight, villain has been playing a little LAG.Villain limps UTG. I have 8s7s in MP. I raise to 550. Everyone folds to villain who flat calls quickly.Flop is 6h5s4s. Bingo. Now, I make my first mistake (I think). He checks and I think for a few seconds then check behind. Bad?Turn is a 9d. Nice blank. Villain checks again, I bet 900, villain calls fairly quickly.River is a Qc. Villain checks, I bet 2300, villain says "you made a face at that queen. did you hit it?" I try to look scared and pray inside for a call. Villain thinks forever, says "nice bet" and folds. Did I bet too much on the river?After the hand he told me what he had....which I will divulge later.Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
qnshustler 0 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I don't hate the flop check but I probably would have fired a feeler bet there to see if he was interested. Turn bet is fine, river probably bet too much to get called. If you've been playing tight and he knows this its very hard for him to call that much after checking to you on the river knowing you could have checked behind. I might have fired 1000 to 1500 depending on how you read him as he doesn't seem to have much of anything. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I think you're better off c-betting the flop (half pot?) and check/call the turn, if he bets (signals you are weak and a-feared). If he's still hanging in there, you can pump a pot sized bet in there and try and make him think you missed a flush draw. My guess is that he hit a set and was hoping to boat. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Villan had AJ? Link to post Share on other sites
qnshustler 0 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I think you're better off c-betting the flop (half pot?) and check/call the turn, if he bets (signals you are weak and a-feared). If he's still hanging in there, you can pump a pot sized bet in there and try and make him think you missed a flush draw. My guess is that he hit a set and was hoping to boat.Why do you give him a set? Wouldn't he likely C/R turn to protect it? And would he really c/f it on the river on that board? Doesn't seem at all likely to me I think he's pretty weak, a busted draw that ended up as 1 or MAYBE 2 pair seems much more likely. Link to post Share on other sites
bbgun 0 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I think you're better off c-betting the flop (half pot?) and check/call the turn, if he bets (signals you are weak and a-feared). If he's still hanging in there, you can pump a pot sized bet in there and try and make him think you missed a flush draw. My guess is that he hit a set and was hoping to boat.Are you ever folding a set there to that action? My guess is villian hit the queen himself with his comment... Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 97 Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 Villain told me he had pocket 10s. Which would mean checking the flop cost me.However, it would have been a fairly weird way to play 10s so I am not sure he was being truthful.Overall, I really wish I had bet 1300 on river as that would have gotten me a call I think. Link to post Share on other sites
qnshustler 0 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Villain told me he had pocket 10s. Which would mean checking the flop cost me.However, it would have been a fairly weird way to play 10s so I am not sure he was being truthful.Overall, I really wish I had bet 1300 on river as that would have gotten me a call I think.It definitely would have been a weird way to play 10's especially if he was mostly LAG as you say but it could be believable if he was trying to be a little tricky/cautious and respected your tight image. Plays into the strength he showed on the end but I'm not so sure about the flop/turn action as its definitely a very passive play. Like I said a cbet on flop would have been my action and 1300 on river matches what I said before. Think he really had TT? I'm thinking maybe 77 or 88 now. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I guess I put him on a set partly due to villain's willingness to call along, possibly with the notion of getting out cheaply if a flush gets there. An overpair certainly makes sense, but I'm also a "worst case scenario" kind of guy and I seem to get sucked out on a lot... Link to post Share on other sites
MaxStPolish 4 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 you shouldn't have made a face on the river Link to post Share on other sites
Yahkin 0 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 This is the perfect flop to cBet considering your holding. You've raised PF, so villain is likely putting you on some high cards. You lead out with $1k or so on this flop and he's going to assume you are just cBetting and is probably going for the CR. If he does CR, I probably give him the "ah crap...should I call with this FD" look and then hesitantly call. Get the rest in on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
Biff Goods 0 Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 I think considering Villains image, conversation and the way the hand was played I think Villain has .....at best.....1 small to mediocre pair. I think you have his range crushed so much that the only way you are profiting on this hand is letting him hang himself later in the hand. In this case, I agree with the cbet/check/call/bet line. Seems to give you the bet EV Link to post Share on other sites
Dhall901 0 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I'm absolutely betting the flop here. Who raises from MP with 87s?? I know I do..but who can put you on that hand? No one. I'm betting the flop because it looks like a standard continuation. Limp UTG smells like a small to mid pp. If you bet the flop it invites him to think you aired and he may re-raise you..a very good thing. I know you want to get paid off here. However, getting greedy on the flop and trying to disguise your hand when the hand itself is excellently disguised is no bueno. Hindsight is 20/20 tho, meh. Bet the flop. Bet the turn bigger. Push the river. Link to post Share on other sites
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