Button Play For Ante/blinds

[MaxStPolish 4]

The hand doesn't involve me whatsoever, but I was first perplexed with this decision. But after taking off the results-oriented cap, I understood the logic behind the play. I was just curious what tourney players think as a whole. I guess if you are shoving here to take the blinds, which is fair at ~17 BBs, it really doesn't matter what two cards you hold are. That being said, would you think twice about it if you are holding 24, with antes still low and being a whole revolution away from the blinds? I just feel like from a tourney life preservation standpoint, that open shove gets called relatively light just because of how much it reeks of a situational steal the monies in the pot play.PokerStars Game #29137558988: Tournament #169968551, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (75/150) - 2009/06/08 14:24:03 ETTable '169968551 159' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: gps13579 (7040 in chips) Seat 2: kalimnos (7695 in chips) is sitting outSeat 3: ilfi (3590 in chips) Seat 4: ThePhoenix88 (2170 in chips) Seat 5: stanleywheat (3280 in chips) Seat 6: horgászclub (4915 in chips) Seat 7: Hutches180 (3455 in chips) Seat 8: JAY_ROC75 (850 in chips) Seat 9: cruet set (4225 in chips) gps13579: posts the ante 20kalimnos: posts the ante 20ilfi: posts the ante 20ThePhoenix88: posts the ante 20stanleywheat: posts the ante 20horgászclub: posts the ante 20Hutches180: posts the ante 20JAY_ROC75: posts the ante 20cruet set: posts the ante 20stanleywheat: posts small blind 75horgászclub: posts big blind 150*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to ThePhoenix88 [2s 4s]Hutches180: folds JAY_ROC75: folds cruet set: folds gps13579: folds kalimnos: folds ilfi: calls 150ThePhoenix88: raises 2000 to 2150 and is all-instanleywheat: calls 2075horgászclub: folds ilfi: folds *** FLOP *** [3d 7c 2c]*** TURN *** [3d 7c 2c] [5c]*** RIVER *** [3d 7c 2c 5c] [Kh]*** SHOW DOWN ***stanleywheat: shows [Ts Td] (a pair of Tens)ThePhoenix88: shows [2s 4s] (a pair of Deuces)stanleywheat collected 4780 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 4780 | Rake 0 Board [3d 7c 2c 5c Kh]Seat 1: gps13579 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: kalimnos folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: ilfi folded before FlopSeat 4: ThePhoenix88 (button) showed [2s 4s] and lost with a pair of DeucesSeat 5: stanleywheat (small blind) showed [Ts Td] and won (4780) with a pair of TensSeat 6: horgászclub (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 7: Hutches180 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: JAY_ROC75 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: cruet set folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[cdipierr 0]

Depends on the images of the blinds and the flat. If they're all 9/2/1 types, then it makes sense. If they're 40/20/5 types, no.

[MaxStPolish 4]

Depends on the images of the blinds and the flat. If they're all 9/2/1 types, then it makes sense. If they're 40/20/5 types, no.

True. And i figured the crux of a response to this would be the table images of those players in blinds and the CO. Just wanted to confirm that. I just feel like a push here is gonna get looked up against a lot of holdings. Would one argue that the flat in the CO actually makes this play infinitely better? My thought is that not only does it add another BB to the drift, but now SB/BB have to 2nd guess a speculative call, wanting to look up a weak pusher, since they know the CO still acts behind them.

[Tehtoe 3]

This is super terrible w/ no antes. Pretty standard/unexploitable to ship 20 bbs and under w/ antes in mtts nowadays with a pretty wide range (and this obv includes your huge hands too in response to your OP) from co on, but this is really bad.

[potatoman 0]

I pretty much never make this play.With a slightly shorter stack 15bb or less, I would shove pretty light here against tight blinds with a decent image, but I like having the chance of actually having the best hand/ not being crushed. So my range would be tighter than just ATC.In isolation, opening shoving ATC on the button into tight blinds, is rarely a terrible play with a stack of less than 20 bbs. I just don't think it's optimal.

[SwolyswoND 1]

Hero's M is what, like 5.5?Way too early for this crap, IMO. From the SB and folded around, maybe.

[bigbluffzinc 0]

I pretty much never make this play with a deuce or a three... if i shove with A2 when i get called i'm usually worse off then if i had 2/3, so ya i think the play is pretty bad.. When i make shoves like this into tight blinds i usually want to be holding 7/8 suited or something.. just can't stand watching the shoves with a card that guarantees you being dominated in the face of a call...

[Yahkin 0]

Hero's M is 5.3. Hero is short. If CO's been limping all day, then this is an easy shove IMO. About the only argument against I can think of is that Hero's Q is still decent...but all other players in this hand will have to call 50% or more of their stack to play because of that. Can we really expect them to do it without a premium hand?

[MaxStPolish 4]

Nice. This is why I was wondering about this play. I felt like it was a really bad move, and 100/100 times I'd be waiting looking for something better. But as Yahkin points out, which I started to think about once i analyzed a bit deeper, it seems like a really precisely good time for a shove. While I'm not sure if the actual player thought it through he prolly made the right decision for his play in this tourney, etc. assuming CO has been limping wide all tourney.I just wanted to see if I was doing something WRONG by not employing a strategy of this type when I am in a similar situation. I really didn't think so, as I still feel that I will continue folding 95/100 times and waiting for something better....but I really can see situationally when this may be a +EV decision. Just wanted other thoughts. Good stuff.