trystero 0 Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 my point is perspectiveuntil you can lose w/out a problem then you'll never have the mentality needed to succeed at pokerdownswings are normal, as is venting, I know. But get used to losing. Link to post Share on other sites
DemonDonk 0 Posted May 23, 2009 Author Share Posted May 23, 2009 Yeah i could accept losing if i were to win once in awhile, and you guys have said that even on an off day i can crush the stakes i play at, I still lose my money. Link to post Share on other sites
sadida17 0 Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 I believe I have an answer to the "Don't Quite Know What I'm Doing Wrong" question. But first, I have a couple questions for you:1) Are you truly being subjective when reviewing your own hands? When I am watching your hand history earlier in the thread, I am noticing a very passive style of play pre-flop. I know you said earlier in the thread that you aren't always "limp happy". If that is the case, I will need to see more hands to get a true guage of what you are doing.2) From the sounds of it, it sounds like you are on the receiving end of a lot of "bad beats". How bad are these beats? Are you giving your opponent appropriate odds to stay in the hand to catch or are you trying to trap a lot? You can't be down because of losses at the table. If you can't get over the beats then you won't be able to work your way up the ranks in poker. Period.3) Are you playing in just $.01/$.02 NLHE tables or are you entering tournaments too? 4) Is NLHE really your game? I started playing NLHE when I was cutting my teeth in poker -- I am now pretty much a straight up Limit player, where I play a lot of Limit Hold'em and H.O.R.S.E. Maybe NLHE and PLO just has too much varience for you to handle.If you are indeed doing everything right, then this is purely varience and you will see the $$ flowing in, because these people you are playing against look pretty terrible. As mentioned above, realistically you have to be very subjective when you are reviewing your hand histories and call yourself out. Players make mistakes when calling preflop, but what is more of a mistake -- calling with a lesser holding preflop or calling down from the flop with the second best hand? Furthermore, you want your opponents making fundamental errors through the session -- that is how bankrolls are built. Don't become the pay off guy, because that is where bankrolls are lost. Also, when you are at the table you have to be able to put your opponents on some kind of hand. Finally, think about testing the waters in other games - maybe the higher varience games just aren't your jam. Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites
DemonDonk 0 Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 I believe I have an answer to the "Don't Quite Know What I'm Doing Wrong" question. But first, I have a couple questions for you:1) Are you truly being subjective when reviewing your own hands? When I am watching your hand history earlier in the thread, I am noticing a very passive style of play pre-flop. I know you said earlier in the thread that you aren't always "limp happy". If that is the case, I will need to see more hands to get a true guage of what you are doing.2) From the sounds of it, it sounds like you are on the receiving end of a lot of "bad beats". How bad are these beats? Are you giving your opponent appropriate odds to stay in the hand to catch or are you trying to trap a lot? You can't be down because of losses at the table. If you can't get over the beats then you won't be able to work your way up the ranks in poker. Period.3) Are you playing in just $.01/$.02 NLHE tables or are you entering tournaments too? 4) Is NLHE really your game? I started playing NLHE when I was cutting my teeth in poker -- I am now pretty much a straight up Limit player, where I play a lot of Limit Hold'em and H.O.R.S.E. Maybe NLHE and PLO just has too much varience for you to handle.If you are indeed doing everything right, then this is purely varience and you will see the $$ flowing in, because these people you are playing against look pretty terrible. As mentioned above, realistically you have to be very subjective when you are reviewing your hand histories and call yourself out. Players make mistakes when calling preflop, but what is more of a mistake -- calling with a lesser holding preflop or calling down from the flop with the second best hand? Furthermore, you want your opponents making fundamental errors through the session -- that is how bankrolls are built. Don't become the pay off guy, because that is where bankrolls are lost. Also, when you are at the table you have to be able to put your opponents on some kind of hand. Finally, think about testing the waters in other games - maybe the higher varience games just aren't your jam. Cheers!1. Yeah i decided to post when i was having an off day, because my mistakes will be obvious. I didn't want to be me playing good poker and everyone saying well, you did ok, see nothing wrong really, probably just varience etc. while still having fundamental flaws in my game.2. I rarely trap, I try to lead out with my good hands to get value. I try to get a TAG image with a little bit of crazy added, so I can bluff, but can also get value when i hit. The bad beats i guess are just part of poker, maybe me not giving up when i'm clearly beat. I don't worry about the exact odds i'm giving at this level, because if my opponents are going to chase, they will chase no matter what, so just jam the pots and when they don't hit, or they're drawing dead you get paid. 3. I play 01/02 usually, also play 02/05 when my br allows it, and sometimes when it doesn't. I play 6-max often, because you play more poker there. I've played some capped PLO and sometimes play stud, but i don't think i'm good enough to play money. I play loads of sngs and mtts but i find variance is higher there. 4. When ive played limit ive played like a fish out of water, i've no idea when to bet etc. i'll need to learn. Thanks for the advice, I need to stop paying people off, I have become very tight since then and it has brought some slow but steady results. Although I lose more money than i gain in tourneys, where i seem to be going from cooler to cooler. I redeposited on PS which put my BR to $55 and it's already down to $29 due to tourney coolers. I want to try and grind it up playing cash games but I find them so grinding after awhile with little reward, like i'll play 3 hours on 3 tables to win $2 overall, which i'll just lose in a tourney buy in somewhere. . Link to post Share on other sites
DemonDonk 0 Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 Here is another session if anyone cares, .01/.02 6-max.I think I played badly at the start and only gained money because there was a donk spewing chips worse than me, and I was able to pick them up. I made a couple of baaaad preflop and post flop calls, accidentally min-raised with aces, but that luckily didn't cost me. I picked up later on (earlier on in the replay) and made a profit in the end. I think I played less limp happy, although i did a couple of times. http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/multihands.php/id/6477 Link to post Share on other sites
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