Don't Quite Know What I'm Doing Wrong

[DemonDonk 0]

After making a deposit on Full Tilt, I built my bankroll from $10 to $100 then I seemed to hit a wall and now it's squat, now the same thing seems to be happening on Stars. I built $10 up to $60 and now it's down to $15. I have been strict with my table selection and bankroll management etc. this time and I think playing reasonably well. I just don't know where I'm going wrong.Is there a site where I can upload a session and then have someone point out where I'm going wrong? If so that would be of great assistance.

[Nashtak 0]

After making a deposit on Full Tilt, I built my bankroll from $10 to $100 then I seemed to hit a wall and now it's squat, now the same thing seems to be happening on Stars. I built $10 up to $60 and now it's down to $15. I have been strict with my table selection and bankroll management etc. this time and I think playing reasonably well. I just don't know where I'm going wrong.Is there a site where I can upload a session and then have someone point out where I'm going wrong? If so that would be of great assistance.

Could be your BR management, bad runs or flaws in your game for all we know. There is just no easy answer for this. You could study some of your sessions and maybe you'll spot a pattern in your losing ones. That or post a few marginal hands you were involved into.

[DemonDonk 0]

Here is a session on three tables on real micro limits (.01/.02 - all I can afford right now). I played passively throughout didn't bluff much (apart from a really stupid one with pocket deuces when someone was slowplaying a flush and I hit a set on the river and bam, loss of money). I called when I really should be semi-bluffing, made a couple of hero calls, which never work. So all round I played quite poorly. I lost about $1.00 in the session. I have removed most of the hands that are folded pre-flop (a couple sneaked through) -http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/multihands.php/id/5721

[Biff Goods 0]

Here is a session on three tables on real micro limits (.01/.02 - all I can afford right now). I played passively throughout didn't bluff much (apart from a really stupid one with pocket deuces when someone was slowplaying a flush and I hit a set on the river and bam, loss of money). I called when I really should be semi-bluffing, made a couple of hero calls, which never work. So all round I played quite poorly. I lost about $1.00 in the session. I have removed most of the hands that are folded pre-flop (a couple sneaked through) -http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/multihands.php/id/5721

Outside of the 22 hand which was pretty bad, you seem a bit sporadic with your play. You seem to not really be thinking of what the Villain(s) range could be when making your decisions. Remember we make our decisions on what we think they have combined with the strength of our holding. From what I saw I noticed two big flaws1. You limp way to much. If you want to play all those hands from those positions you need to raise more. If you don't think you can handle bigger pots with a 78 off suit in mid position then just fold. Also it is not a requirement to play every pocket pair dealt to you. 2. You are somewhat of a p.o.w. (pay off wizard) with marginal hands. I saw a number of hands that you paid off a river value bet with 2nd or 3rd pair when the board became scary and your opponent showed strength. Try not to get married to your hands later in the hand. What seemed like a monster on the flop might be b.s. come river time. The Q3 call especially was awful as well as the J8 call on the turn. You have to give your opponents credit for the most obvious draws when they hit. 3. You need to be more aggressive over all. You made a comment about semi-bluffing with the 22 hand but let's be realistic...if the fourth heart came would you have really been happy about your hand? There are a few spots where I good lead out/ re-raise with a big draw would have netted you extra money. Especially in the pre flop area. I would venture to guess you play about 30% (give or take 2 or 3) of your hands I would try to get that down closer to 22%. I would also say your pre flop raise percentage is like a 7 or 8. I would kick that up to 16 to 18. This will give you a more overall estimated value of your hands because you will be getting money in when you are majority of a favorite. Overall that will pay off. I would also stick to a strict 3xbb (+1bb per limper) pfr rule. Your pre flop raises were like your over all play....sporadic. If you want to raise small amounts then you need to be a superb post flop player which I don't really feel you are at the moment. I would post some hands in the strat forums to get a larger opinion of your plays. Not everyone is gonna watch the whole video. This forum helped me break a lot of bad habits when I first started playing.

[DemonDonk 0]

1. You're right, I have been raising a lot more in other sessions, but in this one there was just this feeling of 'lets just see a flop'. I never like to open limp although i was doing it quite a lot in this one. I do like pocket pairs, especially in cash games. What times did you think I over-played my pocket pairs?2. True, I always think bluff when someone bets into a un-bet pot on the river, and go for the hero call. I need to stop doing this.3. True, I need to be more aggressive. And that 22 wasn't a semi-bluff, for some reason I decided to represent a flush and put my opponent on a flush draw, and when I hit my set I went to value town.I played 198 hands in the session and saw the flop with about 48 of them, take away forced hands from the BB you get about 40. So that's about 22% give or take. Thanks a lot for the advice.

[trystero 0]

you played OKdefinitely good enough to crush 2nl. I mean lol at these guys...one dude overlimped OTB w/AK. someone else flops a flush and check calls 3 streets.but you have some leaks in spots I'd expect a beginner to have, e,g. cbetting AQ into 4 other players (bad spot to do so obv). bet sizing needs definite work - you don't bet enough money in your hands. like pot will be 24 and you'll bet 15. pf you're raising too small, like 6 or 8 regardless of pot size. you overvalue suited aces, as when some dude makes it 14 to go pf you call w/some suited ace. that's fundamental NLHE. maybe a tilt call. more importantly, so I probably should've said this first, yea you should open raise more and isolate limpers when you're in position. in particular thinking of that hand where one dude limped and you overlimped w/KJo in the CO. I know that this is full ring, but I don't think anyone here 3-bets like ever, so feel confident opening your pocket pairs from any position.j8 turn call was bad but you know that already...22 hand was just bizarre. as for calling on the river...consider your odds, too. you made a nice call for 8 into a pot of like 20 w/98. one, villain represented nothing, and two you were getting an absurd price. on another hand you called w/some trashy pair of threes in an overbet, which means you have to be correct like every time.but overall you should do OK...post some hands in NL strat that confused you or where you lost money (and they aren't just aa/kk all in pf).try out 6max...you'll have more opportunities to play in position, more chances to raise and isolate

[DemonDonk 0]

yeah I do overvalue suited aces some times, fold them often but will call raises in position. That hand with A9s was a misclick but the raiser was a donk and the implied odds of any hand double when you consider the overbets he is going to make. I will up my bet sizes, and control my c-betting (I almost do it 100% which is bad). I'll stop trying to bluff more than two people at once.Thanks for the advice. And I'm back on full tilt, woo, cashed a major $2.20 in the Daily Dollar tourney, already built it up to $3. I'm in the money big time here

[mtdesmoines 3]

After making a deposit on Full Tilt, I built my bankroll from $10 to $100 then I seemed to hit a wall and now it's squat, now the same thing seems to be happening on Stars. I built $10 up to $60 and now it's down to $15. I have been strict with my table selection and bankroll management etc. this time and I think playing reasonably well. I just don't know where I'm going wrong.Is there a site where I can upload a session and then have someone point out where I'm going wrong? If so that would be of great assistance.

a little phenomenon I like to call "new-deposit-run-good"That, and other players (regulars) adjust to your style as you play more on a site.

[antistuff 0]

a little phenomenon I like to call "new-deposit-run-good"That, and other players (regulars) adjust to your style as you play more on a site.

when i first started playing i deposited like $300 and just jumped in. i didn't even understand how the game worked with the blinds and button and all. i had a piece of paper taped to my screen with hand rankings. i doubled that money before i lost it all back. definite conspiracy.

[trystero 0]

lol that's how my gf plays. She's been trying to learn poker since last summer when she watched me beat up on my family in a cash game. So finally I showed her how to login and join a 2nl table. Last week I came home and asked her how she was doing. "Ok," she replied, having printed out hand rankings and keeping them next to the computer. She had also printed out Hellmuth's Top 10 starting hands from poker-strategy.org, like the first site that comes up for a poker strategy search in Google. We already had one of those 'but he's a millionaire arguments,' when she said 77 was the 10th best hand in hold 'em. I said 'hand strength all depends, it's situational" and she goes, "he's won millions, you bring home like $400 every other month playing the worst players on earth" (which is indeed true; way to use my own words against me).

[gooch 0]

and she goes, "he's won millions, you bring home like $400 every other month playing the worst players on earth" (which is indeed true; way to use my own words against me).

bro any chance you have a seat open?

[trystero 0]

Ya, absolutepoker.com

[DemonDonk 0]

Well I've fallen in love with PLO, I play 01/02 capped, as i get used to the intricacies of the game. The varience is lower than NLHE and there are even more donks playing. It's been real nice to my bank roll as well.

[gooch 0]

Well I've fallen in love with PLO, I play 01/02 capped, as i get used to the intricacies of the game. The varience is lower than NLHE and there are even more donks playing. It's been real nice to my bank roll as well.

i play that too, not sure about the variance being lower but i find it does help me with my nlhe game, have only played it cash a few times, mostly play it in tournaments

[DemonDonk 0]

Well it's PL and capped which reduces the varience, so instead of you're whole stack going in a bad beat you only lose $0.80

[gooch 0]

Well it's PL and capped which reduces the varience, so instead of you're whole stack going in a bad beat you only lose $0.80

i find with plo the pots are often a lot bigger because there are more players in the hand to start so instead of being 3 way or heads up you are often 5 way and even calling the turn can be a huge bet

[Danege 1]

The varience is lower than NLHE

This is not true.It is widely understood that variance in PLO is a lot higher than NLHE.

[DemonDonk 0]

I find it not so, where I'd have lost my stack in NLHE I.E. FH vs FH, I only lose $0.80 in a capped PLO game. The game rules induce more varience the betting format lowers it. The same could be said of playing a capped NLHE game but whatever.

[Danege 1]

I find it not so, where I'd have lost my stack in NLHE I.E. FH vs FH, I only lose $0.80 in a capped PLO game. The game rules induce more varience the betting format lowers it. The same could be said of playing a capped NLHE game but whatever.

You're right. Sorry for doubting you sir.

[DemonDonk 0]

*sarcasm meter explodes*

[SCS 0]

I find it not so, where I'd have lost my stack in NLHE I.E. FH vs FH, I only lose $0.80 in a capped PLO game. The game rules induce more varience the betting format lowers it. The same could be said of playing a capped NLHE game but whatever.

Being in a capped game might make a difference, but generally speaking the variance in PLO is higher than NLHE.

[DemonDonk 0]

yeah that is right, I don't know what i was talking about. I just lost quads over quads, I know full well about variance in PLO now.

[DemonDonk 0]

Gah, hit the wall again. on both PS and FT. losing money here and everywhere. I'm this close to giving up. People are constantly hitting their two outers against me, i've had three today for a loss of $5. It's just getting ridiculous. getting in sets vs two pair, they hit, AJ vs A5 on a J 10 5 board, they hit, K 10 vs JJ on a K 10 2 board, they hit. just ridiculous.

[trystero 0]

Gah, hit the wall again. on both PS and FT. losing money here and everywhere. I'm this close to giving up. People are constantly hitting their two outers against me, i've had three today for a loss of $5. It's just getting ridiculous. getting in sets vs two pair, they hit, AJ vs A5 on a J 10 5 board, they hit, K 10 vs JJ on a K 10 2 board, they hit. just ridiculous.

tom dwan lost a $560k pot to a 5 outeryou'll be OK :-)

[DemonDonk 0]

Yeah but Dwan makes it up again for being the luckiest man apart from Hansen in poker, plus 560k is like 0.001% of Dwan's bankroll $5 is about 30% of mine.