Casino Mtt - Line Check

[Vertigo 0]

I apologize for format, and non-exact details in advance.Ok, this is your typical 15 min blind increments, starting stack of only 3K, so pretty bingo-ish. Not my normal tourney choice, but meh. We are at final table, only 20 players started, so there is 9 left at this point I believe. 1st is a Satellite Ticket for $540 + 100 2nd is $210 (I believe).My image is tight. I have played few hands. I just doubled up a few hands earlier. Blinds are 300-600, I have 9K. Avg stack is ~6K.UTG limps, UTG+1 who has roughly 12K minraises to 1200. (He min-raised UTG last time with 34 suited). Shortstack with about 3400 calls. I call in BB with 9s 9c. UTG calls.Flop is 6h 7d 8h. Pot is roughly 5K, I bet 1800. UTG folds. UTG+1 asks what I have behind, contemplates a bit and shoves. Short stack immediately calls off his last 2200.Pot is now 15K, it's back to me, tourney life on the line. I don't really like my line personally, now that I've thought about the hand. I feel I should have shoved preflop, but I was worried about UTG+1 having a legitimate hand. I also did not like my 1800 bet after making it. I'm now getting a great price, but feel like I can't be ahead. What now?

[vbnautilus 48]

I feel I should have shoved preflop, but I was worried about UTG+1 having a legitimate hand. I also did not like my 1800 bet after making it. I'm now getting a great price, but feel like I can't be ahead. What now?

Legitimate as in better than 99? He is limping with TT+? I think shove preflop.

[Vertigo 0]

Legitimate as in better than 99? He is limping with TT+? I think shove preflop.

He min raised PF.

[rvrchsrhtr 0]

I shrug and move all my chips to the middle. I think you could be ahead PF raiser could have something along the lines of AKhh short stack could have paired the board (not this hand matters with stack size). no matter what you have outs and as long as your not looking at 9T which being you have 99 isn't likely you are still very live. If you are going for 1st I think you have to take your shot here. Blinds go up way to fast in these things and you need to gamble here IMO

[Vertigo 0]

Regardless of results, I feel the same. How strongly do you feel I should have just shoved preflop? How about open shoving this flop? In retrospect, let's say I call these two shoves; I got the most money into the pot this way, right?

[SwolyswoND 1]

Flat calling this min-raise PF with 99 and your stack size is beyond bad. DUCY?Shove or fold PF. As played, c/rAI the flop. You dont even mind it being checked through, but if the PFR wants to bet his JJ+/Axhh (he won't bet anything else against 4 players), then you want to get it all in when you have some semblence of fold equity and are like 40% or so against an overpair.

[cdipierr 0]

Yeah, shove preflop. As played though, I shove the flop. If he has UTG+1 has JJ or something, be sure to catch your straight

[RISEorFall 0]

shove preflop. you're way ahead of utg's range and if shorty had anything decent he would've pushed it in.if utg's a good player he could make this play with AA or KK knowing that everyone knows he minrasied 3-4 last hand, but if he was a good player he probably wouldn't minraise 3-4 in early position. after the flop, there's no reason not to get it in. if utg had anything good he wouldn't need to think, and if he does have something good we have 10 outs. in this structure we need to play for 1st, so theres not much point in hangin around with a short stack waiting for a rush that may never come. we have 9k and need about 60k (if my math is right). if we fold here we leave ourselves with 6k and there's 15k in the pot. or we can call and have a good chance at havinh about 20k. i would've just shoved the flop, though, having only about 7k behind and 5k in the pot.

[Vertigo 0]

Flat calling this min-raise PF with 99 and your stack size is beyond bad. DUCY?Shove or fold PF. As played, c/rAI the flop. You dont even mind it being checked through, but if the PFR wants to bet his JJ+/Axhh (he won't bet anything else against 4 players), then you want to get it all in when you have some semblence of fold equity and are like 40% or so against an overpair.

Although my stack is not big, it's top 3 at table. I understand your reasoning, but I find it very hard to apply normal tournament strategy/logic to these types of structures. I don't know why I play them...ever. I agree, I think shoving preflop is the best play. I think folding is terrible IMO.I don't mind the CRAI. Saying he won't bet anything else against 4 players is wrong. I know you are basing this on information you have available to you, but from what I've seen so far, he's a terrible and unpredictable player. Keep in mind his range (34 UTG previously, which he bet out with bottom pair last time and had to call a shove). But yeah, I agree with what you have to say.

[Vertigo 0]

shove preflop. you're way ahead of utg's range and if shorty had anything decent he would've pushed it in.if utg's a good player he could make this play with AA or KK knowing that everyone knows he minrasied 3-4 last hand, but if he was a good player he probably wouldn't minraise 3-4 in early position. after the flop, there's no reason not to get it in. if utg had anything good he wouldn't need to think, and if he does have something good we have 10 outs. in this structure we need to play for 1st, so theres not much point in hangin around with a short stack waiting for a rush that may never come. we have 9k and need about 60k (if my math is right). if we fold here we leave ourselves with 6k and there's 15k in the pot. or we can call and have a good chance at havinh about 20k. i would've just shoved the flop, though, having only about 7k behind and 5k in the pot.

You are confusing UTG with UTG+1. Limper UTG was not the one who min-raised 34 soooooted previously, nor have I seen him minraise at all. He's been quite aggressive. But he ended up not being relevant in this hand, and based on previous play, I was not afraid of him limping UTG with a big hand. Yes I think open shoving this flop was the best option after seeing the flop.

[RISEorFall 0]

c/r all in gives you zero fold equity. the pot's about 5k and you have about 7k in your stack.any decent bet by villain commits him to calling your shove.just shove it in

[SwolyswoND 1]

Although my stack is not big, it's top 3 at table. I understand your reasoning, but I find it very hard to apply normal tournament strategy/logic to these types of structures. I don't know why I play them...ever. I agree, I think shoving preflop is the best play. I think folding is terrible IMO.I don't mind the CRAI. Saying he won't bet anything else against 4 players is wrong. I know you are basing this on information you have available to you, but from what I've seen so far, he's a terrible and unpredictable player. Keep in mind his range (34 UTG previously, which he bet out with bottom pair last time and had to call a shove). But yeah, I agree with what you have to say.

I understand that you might have to make certain adjustments for weird structures like this, but set mining OOP in a 4way pot for 15% of your stack isn't the way to do it.Nothing wrong with folding PF. In a 4way pot OOP and not deepstacked, your 99 is no better than 55 or 66 here, it has no value besides set mining. I personally shove PF, but I wouldn't argue with anyone who just mucks it.

[Biff Goods 0]

For some reason I am on the edge of my seat wondering what these two guys had? Did you shove? Do we know?

[Vertigo 0]

I shipped.Idiot turned over K8o. Shortstack had A10h for NFD. Bricks rolled off and I won the hand. Yay!