Balloon guy 158 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 On the day the new Congress convened this year, Sen. Dianne Feinstein introduced legislation to route $25 billion in taxpayer money to a government agency that had just awarded her husband's real estate firm a lucrative contract to sell foreclosed properties at compensation rates higher than the industry norms. Mrs. Feinstein's intervention on behalf of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. was unusual: the California Democrat isn't a member of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs with jurisdiction over FDIC; and the agency is supposed to operate from money it raises from bank-paid insurance payments - not direct federal dollars. Documents reviewed by The Washington Times show Mrs. Feinstein first offered Oct. 30 to help the FDIC secure money for its effort to stem the rise of home foreclosures. Her letter was sent just days before the agency determined that CB Richard Ellis Group (CBRE) - the commercial real estate firm that her husband Richard Blum heads as board chairman - had won the competitive bidding for a contract to sell foreclosed properties that FDIC had inherited from failed banks. About the same time of the contract award, Mr. Blum's private investment firm reported to the Securities and Exchange Commission that it and related affiliates had purchased more than 10 million new shares in CBRE. The shares were purchased for the going price of $3.77; CBRE's stock closed Monday at $5.14. Spokesmen for the FDIC, Mrs. Feinstein and Mr. Blum's firm told The Times that there was no connection between the legislation and the contract signed Nov. 13, and that the couple didn't even know about CBRE's business with FDIC until after it was awarded. Link to storyOnce again a democrat multi millionaire works the system to get more money for herself, on the backs of the people who were caught up by the foolish belief in the democrats promises to bring in a new era of responsibility and ethics.The real story will be the ignoring of this by Obama Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I read lots of liberal blogs (HuffPost, Dkos, etc) and nooooooooooothing on this. It makes me fcking sick that one side will gripe moan and complain about the methods used by the other, and when they're in power, allow the same thing to happen, because hey, ends justify the means, right? Link to post Share on other sites
Avaron 0 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Link to storyOnce again a democrat multi millionaire works the system to get more money for herself, on the backs of the people who were caught up by the foolish belief in the democrats promises to bring in a new era of responsibility and ethics.The real story will be the ignoring of this by Obamaoh well. corruption is as old as humanity. has nothing to do with political parties. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Link to storyOnce again a democrat multi millionaire works the system to get more money for herself, on the backs of the people who were caught up by the foolish belief in the democrats promises to bring in a new era of responsibility and ethics.The real story will be the ignoring of this by ObamaI say the Dems should do what the GOP did from 2000-2008. If the Justice Department or anyone else investigates this (or anything else), they should refuse to submit to the subpoenas and then refuse to comment in any way because it is an "ongoing investigation." And if anyone at Justice cant be completely partisan about this, fire them. Then have the AG go before Congress and tell everyone that the top lawyer in the country can't remember anything he did for the last 6 months so he cant really say when or why those Justice people were fired.Thats the ticket, right there. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 oh well. corruption is as old as humanity. has nothing to do with political parties.I thinks it is a known fact though that most corruption is committed by democrats.and woman.Oh and liberal lawyers Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I say the Dems should do what the GOP did from 2000-2008. If the Justice Department or anyone else investigates this (or anything else), they should refuse to submit to the subpoenas and then refuse to comment in any way because it is an "ongoing investigation." And if anyone at Justice cant be completely partisan about this, fire them. Then have the AG go before Congress and tell everyone that the top lawyer in the country can't remember anything he did for the last 6 months so he cant really say when or why those Justice people were fired.Thats the ticket, right there.Ok, that's two posts from you like this, and I'm starting to think you actually believe it. Link to post Share on other sites
Avaron 0 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I thinks it is a known fact though that most corruption is committed by democrats.and woman.Oh and liberal lawyersdon't forget jews and blacks Link to post Share on other sites
solderz 0 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 and dentists....cause I'm an anti-dentite Link to post Share on other sites
Nimue1995 1 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I read lots of liberal blogs (HuffPost, Dkos, etc) and nooooooooooothing on this. It makes me fcking sick that one side will gripe moan and complain about the methods used by the other, and when they're in power, allow the same thing to happen, because hey, ends justify the means, right?So same ends, same means as every other politician since the beginning of time? We need somebody that will change the ends AND the means. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 and dentists....cause I'm an anti-dentiteWhen the revolution begins, I wouldn't want to be no stinking dentist... Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Ok, that's two posts from you like this, and I'm starting to think you actually believe it.I cant control what you believe I believe. And I'm not sure you get the point of my post.I'm just saying.....you guys wrote this playbook.....dont be mad if Obama adopts it. I hope he doesn't but the Bush Admin kinda outlined how you can do whatever you want as President no matter what anyone else thinks and get away with it with zero accountability. Those moves are going to have future consequences.As far as colleagues goes.....I assume Obama will direct the justice department to go after any congressperson that misuses their power. I base this on the fact that the justice dept did an about-face on Ted Stevens and dropped the charges after discovering that the prosecutors had committed serious misconduct.If the Justice Dept. is going to be fair to a longtime hardliner like Stevens, then maybe they will also be fair in going after corrupt politicians on both sides of the aisle. I assume its not lost on you that BG's original post represents only an allegation and it's going to take a bit more than that to warrant serious investigation. Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I cant control what you believe I believe. And I'm not sure you get the point of my post.I'm just saying.....you guys wrote this playbook.....dont be mad if Obama adopts it. I hope he doesn't but the Bush Admin kinda outlined how you can do whatever you want as President no matter what anyone else thinks and get away with it with zero accountability. Those moves are going to have future consequences.As far as colleagues goes.....I assume Obama will direct the justice department to go after any congressperson that misuses their power. I base this on the fact that the justice dept did an about-face on Ted Stevens and dropped the charges after discovering that the prosecutors had committed serious misconduct.If the Justice Dept. is going to be fair to a longtime hardliner like Stevens, then maybe they will also be fair in going after corrupt politicians on both sides of the aisle. I assume its not lost on you that BG's original post represents only an allegation and it's going to take a bit more than that to warrant serious investigation.What happened to Hope & Change? out the window already? Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 What happened to Hope & Change? out the window already?I dont buy anything a candidate says on the campaign trail. Dont lump me in with those people.....I am skeptical at all times.I am just saying dont be surprised if future presidents take advantage of the Bush playbook. I sincerely hope Obama does not but the dark side of the force is a seductive minx. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 I dont buy anything a candidate says on the campaign trail. Dont lump me in with those people.....I am skeptical at all times.I am just saying dont be surprised if future presidents take advantage of the Bush playbook. I sincerely hope Obama does not but the dark side of the force is a seductive minx.Why not, you lumped yourself in with the fringe that thinks Bush abused his presidential powers.And are completely okay with the democrats going after a sitting senator just weeks beforfe an election, that resulted in his losing his seat and then suddenly fiiguring out..oooops, he wasn't guilty of anything after all. Oh well, at least they stole his seat. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Why not, you lumped yourself in with the fringe that thinks Bush abused his presidential powers.that "fringe" was between 60 and 70 percent of the country. maybe you dont know what fringe means. watch fox on tuesdays at 9pm to find out more.a good reason why not is all the posts I made leading up to the election on this subject said "candidates lie on the campaign trail and only keep half their promises at most." thats my #1 reason why not. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted April 23, 2009 Author Share Posted April 23, 2009 that "fringe" was between 60 and 70 percent of the country. maybe you dont know what fringe means. watch fox on tuesdays at 9pm to find out more.a good reason why not is all the posts I made leading up to the election on this subject said "candidates lie on the campaign trail and only keep half their promises at most." thats my #1 reason why not.Of course 61-71% of the country doesn't know what they are talking about...so there's that Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Of course 61-71% of the country doesn't know what they are talking about...so there's thatif thats the case, you should rethink your position on gun control and gay marriage which both split about 60/40 in conservative favor.by the way, Bush expanded executive power (who can really determine the difference between expansion and abuse.....too subjective) which is dangerous, imo......and you cant really argue he didnt. Whether he abused it is semantics. One man's abuse is another man's necessary expansion. Link to post Share on other sites
Zealous Donkey 0 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 if thats the case, you should rethink your position on gun control and gay marriage which both split about 60/40 in conservative favor.by the way, Bush expanded executive power (who can really determine the difference between expansion and abuse.....too subjective) which is dangerous, imo......and you cant really argue he didn't. Whether he abused it is semantics. One man's abuse is another man's necessary expansion.The more these powers are expanded the more likely (IMO it is a certainty) that they will eventually be abused. I don't think Bush expanded power for personal or corrupt reasons but he certainly made it easier for there to be abuse in the future. I am shocked at how little the American public seems to care about this and don't get me started on the media. The media don't have a problem with the expansion of executive power per se, as long as the power is in the hands of their savior. I am of the opinion that the Obama administration may well end up being the most abusive we have seen. Watergate is pretty minor compared to what the administrations(dem and republican) since them have done without much consequence. Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Of course 61-71% of the country doesn't know what they are talking about...so there's thatOh, its more than that, I think over 80% are Christians. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I cant control what you believe I believe. And I'm not sure you get the point of my post.I'm just saying.....you guys wrote this playbook.....dont be mad if Obama adopts it. I hope he doesn't but the Bush Admin kinda outlined how you can do whatever you want as President no matter what anyone else thinks and get away with it with zero accountability. Those moves are going to have future consequences.As far as colleagues goes.....I assume Obama will direct the justice department to go after any congressperson that misuses their power. I base this on the fact that the justice dept did an about-face on Ted Stevens and dropped the charges after discovering that the prosecutors had committed serious misconduct.If the Justice Dept. is going to be fair to a longtime hardliner like Stevens, then maybe they will also be fair in going after corrupt politicians on both sides of the aisle. I assume its not lost on you that BG's original post represents only an allegation and it's going to take a bit more than that to warrant serious investigation.I didn't write any playbook and I absolutely oppose the methods, regardless of who's enacting them. If you only care when it's the other side, it's an ethical problem that overshadows any partisan leanings. Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Why not, you lumped yourself in with the fringe that thinks Bush abused his presidential powers.And are completely okay with the democrats going after a sitting senator just weeks beforfe an election, that resulted in his losing his seat and then suddenly fiiguring out..oooops, he wasn't guilty of anything after all. Oh well, at least they stole his seat.I don't really think the belief that Bush abused his powers can be considered "fringe". It's actually pretty mainstream. But he didn't start it, he just escalated it to new levels. Obama is continuing that escalation.As for Stevens, he was a corrupt old fool. I don't like to see people cheated out of their seat, but if that's what it takes to lose an idiot like him... I SEE NOTHING, I HEAR NOTHING.....Of course, he'll just be replaced by another corrupt fool, so the harm to the system probably outweighs any gains. It's like bailing out the ocean with a teacup..... Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted April 23, 2009 Author Share Posted April 23, 2009 Oh, its more than that, I think over 80% are Christians.That's why this is a Christian nation. Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 The more these powers are expanded the more likely (IMO it is a certainty) that they will eventually be abused. I don't think Bush expanded power for personal or corrupt reasons but he certainly made it easier for there to be abuse in the future. I am shocked at how little the American public seems to care about this and don't get me started on the media. The media don't have a problem with the expansion of executive power per se, as long as the power is in the hands of their savior. I am of the opinion that the Obama administration may well end up being the most abusive we have seen. Watergate is pretty minor compared to what the administrations(dem and republican) since them have done without much consequence.Oooh, can I change my answer. This is what I meant to say. Link to post Share on other sites
strategy 4 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 The more these powers are expanded the more likely (IMO it is a certainty) that they will eventually be abused. I don't think Bush expanded power for personal or corrupt reasons but he certainly made it easier for there to be abuse in the future. I am shocked at how little the American public seems to care about this and don't get me started on the media. The media don't have a problem with the expansion of executive power per se, as long as the power is in the hands of their savior. I am of the opinion that the Obama administration may well end up being the most abusive we have seen. Watergate is pretty minor compared to what the administrations(dem and republican) since them have done without much consequence.I agree that there have been a few bad signs from Obama (fisa?) but I highly doubt he could ever surpass Bush in that regard.I can't find anything else in your post to disagree with... couldn't have said it better myself. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 The more these powers are expanded the more likely (IMO it is a certainty) that they will eventually be abused. I don't think Bush expanded power for personal or corrupt reasons but he certainly made it easier for there to be abuse in the future. I am shocked at how little the American public seems to care about this and don't get me started on the media. The media don't have a problem with the expansion of executive power per se, as long as the power is in the hands of their savior. I am of the opinion that the Obama administration may well end up being the most abusive we have seen. Watergate is pretty minor compared to what the administrations(dem and republican) since them have done without much consequence.while I am more suspicious of Bush's motives (cough Cheney's motives cough) than you, essentially we agree. Executive power keeps getting stretched and it is not good.I also agree with Strategy that Obama is going to have to really get going to be the most abusive......Bush (Cheney) set the bar pretty high. It's good to have goals, though. Link to post Share on other sites
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