Vtlaxer Ft Of 21k Gtd On Ftp

[HighwayStar 8]

Meh I think unless you're at a Final Table where the next pay jump may be equivalent to half your bankroll or something I think it's going to be really bad long term to apply that idea.You can't pass up on edges these days.

[rcgs59 15]

better yet unless your in that exact situation. I have a feeling deep inside that I would of done the same as Vt and shoved but without knowing all the right reasoning. I find it an interesting hand to disectNow I know I will be shoving if I am in a similiar situation.

[dscoot 0]

dscoot, when was your last FT? Please and thanks

well since vt has played more NL online multi's this week, than i have in the past 12months, 'when' doesnt really apply to me. Im a live player, who plays mostly headsup matches online when im not in vegas.

[TrueAce13 18]

well since vt has played more NL online multi's this week, than i have in the past 12months, 'when' doesnt really apply to me. Im a live player, who plays mostly headsup matches online when im not in vegas.

How much for coaching?

[bbgun 0]

First Rose, then dscoot...mix in a little Ex_matt and this is a potential super thread!!

[JustLikeNegs 1]

dscoot, when was your last FT? Please and thanks

well since vt has played more NL online multi's this week, than i have in the past 12months, 'when' doesnt really apply to me. Im a live player, who plays mostly headsup matches online when im not in vegas.

Pretty small sample size yo!

[lurbz 2]

First Rose, then dscoot...mix in a little Ex_matt and this is a potential super thread!!

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[Canary3 1]

looks like zoo is going to spice up this thread a little bit!

[zoo 0]

I find myself in similar situations at times (shortish stack, decent starting hand). I am interested in knowing how open shoving here compares to an opening raise with the intention of shoving a safe flop?

[Vtlaxer09 4]

I find myself in similar situations at times (shortish stack, decent starting hand). I am interested in knowing how open shoving here compares to an opening raise with the intention of shoving a safe flop?

you no longer have any right to criticize nnb.

[GetSprung 0]

you no longer have any right to criticize nnb.

Lol. Solid advice. How about raise folding Q9 here...I mean if he 3bets our Q9 is obviousyl behind Aces right? Oh noez!

[zoo 0]

you no longer have any right to criticize nnb.

Lol. Solid advice. How about raise folding Q9 here...I mean if he 3bets our Q9 is obviousyl behind Aces right? Oh noez!

I guess I am wondering if there is a different approach here that can be profitable.When you push here are you hoping to get a call or do you want it to fold around? If you are playing for the win, I would think you want a double up to increase the playability of your stack. What hands call you in this situation? I would think with any call you are at best a 2:1 dog. You've made it this far, the payouts are insignificant up until the top 2 or 3 so push and pray and hope to move up or die trying?I find myself busting out deep when I get in situations like this (though my shove range is a bit tighter) and looking back at the hand wondering if there would have been a better way to play it. I'm not trying to be critical, I just want to understand the reasoning in these situations; though, I doubt I will get much more than a STFU.

[Canary3 1]

I dont think its safe to assume that VT wanted a call on his shove. It seems like thats the last thing he would want.

[Vtlaxer09 4]

calling ranges in this particular instance are gonna be 77+ AJ+ ATsuited+Im not in too bad a shape against that range+its folding around most of the time.And no, I dont want a call unless its from 77 or 88..... and If i flop a Q ont he flop.. I dont mind 99 calling too oh wait...

[JustLikeNegs 1]

I guess I am wondering if there is a different approach here that can be profitable.When you push here are you hoping to get a call or do you want it to fold around? If you are playing for the win, I would think you want a double up to increase the playability of your stack. What hands call you in this situation? I would think with any call you are at best a 2:1 dog. You've made it this far, the payouts are insignificant up until the top 2 or 3 so push and pray and hope to move up or die trying?I find myself busting out deep when I get in situations like this (though my shove range is a bit tighter) and looking back at the hand wondering if there would have been a better way to play it. I'm not trying to be critical, I just want to understand the reasoning in these situations; though, I doubt I will get much more than a STFU.

ok, tbh you are hoping to pick up the blinds, as having a ~10bb stack picking up the blinds and antes is a significant increase to your stack. being called by a low pair and you're 50-50, called by AJ/AK/AT/KJ etc and you arent a big dog. ideally you are looking to pick up blinds, which is why we are shoving rather than raising pre and playing a flop. raising pre and then a flop like A K 4 rainbow comes, and we face a bet, we have to fold therefor the 3x raise pre is spewy. also a stndard raise pre leaves ourselves open to a 3bet shove from a lighter hand which leaves us with in a shitty spot, or also a hand like QT QJ KT 22-66 etc which if we had open shoved, they may have just folded and we take the blinds. fwiw i suck at explaining these things, but you prob get the main of what i'm trying to say.

[HighwayStar 8]

I believe you may have been hinting at stop-and-going earlier. Which is very sexy. However you said shove safe flops. You should shove any flop if you do that - otherwise sometimes you will be stop-and-stopping, which would be terrible.Don't voluntarily enter a pot when your stack is < 14 BBs without planning to be all in by at the latest the flop. Preferably preflop.

[ddf_dolphins 0]

this went from a rail call to strategy to making fun of someone back to strategy i love this site

[Vtlaxer09 4]

this went from a rail call to strategy to making fun of someone back to strategy i love this site

ban.

[r0llin_game 1]

HE WAS ZAGGING AND NOT ZIGGING DAMNIT

[ddf_dolphins 0]

lol

[rcgs59 15]

ban.

now that's Vt zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Pivvy2001 0]

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thanks for coming out Drewloser

[lurbz 2]

thanks for coming out Drewloser

Read the white textloser

[Pivvy2001 0]

Read the white textloser

I missed the white text and am indeed a loserthanks for clarifying

[dscoot 0]

maybe according to pokerstove this is profitable play.but what about game theory? especially with 4 other 10bb stacks at the table that A)could easily go busto before youB)will be calling lighter so less fold equityC)if u wanna get super technical with poker stove, dont you have a hand that is more likely to be dominated when called? A9/QT-QA etc. dont tell me there range only starts at 77 and AJ. If they have there eyes open they know you are a maniac who shoves with shit in that spot, how are they folding A9 and QJ suited in that spot to your robot style of play? would a hand like 67s be more profitable for you?D) plus the other 4 10bb stacks might also use your gay shovein theory weak with no openers, and you can be the one calling them and having them dominated just a few hands later.E) plus who's to say you wont pick up an actual decent hand shortly later, and even if you have folded away 20% of your stack by then, now your stack is just short enuff that when you pick up AJ -somein in the blinds sees you are so short they have a hard time folding TJ or Ace rag.its my personal experience that the worse play of all occurs at the final table in a multi, mostly because of the money being on the line and more often than not, people play worse with that pressure. there are other reasons too, like fatigue, being happy with what you've made already, etc..(maybe they play a little worse in other tourny spots, but with the huge money on the line, the mistakes here are magnified and much more bigger)that is why i think its more valuable to just stick around and survive more often cuz i know some 10bb stack is gonna be shoving weak soon, or someone is gonna make some other donk play cuz they are happy with 5place money or whatever.