strappazon 0 Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 OMFG....can someone paypal me $500 so i can play at tables with some decent players ? Ok, i now the more bad players there is, the more you gain if you're a decent/good player. Yes, i win money both in cash games and in tournaments ( i've started with $22 15 days ago and now i'm at $68) but all the crazy stuff i see everyday are driving me INSANE. I'm sick of being called when i'm all-in with JJ, (short stack in tourney), by a guy who has 10 times more chips and who calls with K2o and of course hits his pair on the river. I don't even talk about people who play 80 % of their hands and who get lucky when your have a good hand.I'd rather lose a little bit of money because other players are really stronger than me and their strategy makes sense that spending two fukin' hours earning $4 and seeing stuff that make me feel depressed.If there's a god he should allows me to play at a table with Negreanu, Brunson, Hellmuth, Ivey and some others dudes. Of course i'd get busted in like 10 hands....but i'd know why!I'm far of being a great player (i bet at least 60 % of the people here would take all my money) but i don't deserve to play 4 hrs a day with 90 % of donkeys. :(Yes i play poker because i wish one day it could be a second source of income. even if it's only like 150 euros a month but i also play because this game's great. For you American it'd be like seeing your favourite football team losing agaisnt a bunch of guys who don't know how to play. Beleive me you'd rather watch a great match even if you lose.How did you manage all this crap is you started to play at micro stakes ?HEEEEEEEELP !!Brb walking around the house and smoking a cig. Link to post Share on other sites
Tehtoe 3 Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 OMFG....can someone paypal me $500 so i can play at tables with some decent players ? Ok, i now the more bad players there is, the more you gain if you're a decent/good player. Yes, i win money both in cash games and in tournaments ( i've started with $22 15 days ago and now i'm at $68) but all the crazy stuff i see everyday are driving me INSANE. I'm sick of being called when i'm all-in with JJ, (short stack in tourney), by a guy who has 10 times more chips and who calls with K2o and of course hits his pair on the river. I don't even talk about people who play 80 % of their hands and who get lucky when your have a good hand.I'd rather lose a little bit of money because other players are really stronger than me and their strategy makes sense that spending two fukin' hours earning $4 and seeing stuff that make me feel depressed.If there's a god he should allows me to play at a table with Negreanu, Brunson, Hellmuth, Ivey and some others dudes. Of course i'd get busted in like 10 hands....but i'd know why!I'm far of being a great player (i bet at least 60 % of the people here would take all my money) but i don't deserve to play 4 hrs a day with 90 % of donkeys. :(Yes i play poker because i wish one day it could be a second source of income. even if it's only like 150 euros a month but i also play because this game's great. For you American it'd be like seeing your favourite football team losing agaisnt a bunch of guys who don't know how to play. Beleive me you'd rather watch a great match even if you lose.How did you manage all this crap is you started to play at micro stakes ?HEEEEEEEELP !!Brb walking around the house and smoking a cig.hurry back! Link to post Share on other sites
aucu 3 Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Hate playing bad players sooooooo much Link to post Share on other sites
strappazon 0 Posted April 10, 2009 Author Share Posted April 10, 2009 I'm back! Link to post Share on other sites
strappazon 0 Posted April 10, 2009 Author Share Posted April 10, 2009 Here's a perfect example. Happened 2 mb ago. Fukin' UNBELIEVABLE :http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/416325How come he can calls ? He should have folded pre flop ! Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Quit making so many god damn pointless threads. Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Hate playing bad players sooooooo muchMe too! Link to post Share on other sites
kobe2odom8 14 Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Here's a perfect example. Happened 2 mb ago. Fukin' UNBELIEVABLE :http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/416325How come he can calls ? He should have folded pre flop !ask dennis phillips, that is a scary flop for aces Link to post Share on other sites
Solar 0 Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 I'm sick of being called when i'm all-in with JJ, (short stack in tourney), by a guy who has 10 times more chips and who calls with K2o and of course hits his pair on the river. I don't even talk about people who play 80 % of their hands and who get lucky when your have a good hand.I'd rather lose a little bit of money because other players are really stronger than me and their strategy makes sense that spending two fukin' hours earning $4 and seeing stuff that make me feel depressed.FACT: There are awful players at stakes much higher than what you are playingFACT: You make money off awful players in the long run.You think that playing higher stakes is going to mean you play against people who make sense, and don't play rubbish and get lucky? Example hand...Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comButton ($57.20)SB ($17)BB ($42.65)UTG ($50)Hero (MP) ($55)Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, A1 fold, Hero bets $1.75, 1 fold, SB raises to $5.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $17.75, SB calls $11.25 (All-In)Flop: ($34.50) 6, 9, J(2 players, 1 all-in)Turn: ($34.50) A(2 players, 1 all-in)River: ($34.50) 10(2 players, 1 all-in)Total pot: $34.50 | Rake: $1.70Results:SB had J, 6 (two pair, Jacks and sixes).Hero had Q, A (one pair, Aces).Outcome: SB won $32.80This kind of thing is STANDARD. I know what you mean that the micros are tedious, been there done that. All you can do is play lots of hands, and congratulate yourself any time you get the money in ahead. You won't tend to get a lot of sympathy around here either.One more thing, stop feeling like you deserve to win a hand, or that you deserve to win lots of money against a certain group of players. You won't get anything thinking you deserve it. The pot isn't yours until you're stacking up the chips. I'm not sure if you know the odds related to the hand you posted, but the guy with 78 is over 23% to beat your AA. That means almost one time in four that you get the money in with an overpair against middle pair you will lose. This is poker. It tilts the crap out of most people, but you just have to get over it. Link to post Share on other sites
Banner17 0 Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 As Patrick Swayze would say in Roadhouse, "you don't have the right temperment for the trade." Link to post Share on other sites
strappazon 0 Posted April 11, 2009 Author Share Posted April 11, 2009 Yeah, i see what you mean. Finally the night wasn't that bad. I ended up with $5+. Funny thing is i had at least 5-6 times AA at the same table in 1 hrs. The first five times i reraised and everybody folded (probably because i've been on a rush and shown only good hands everytime i've had to ). So the last time i thought, ok, i'm going to limp in. I have two callers and the flop comes 772. I raise, and one guy called. Like a fool i went all in, he called and won with 72.Another time i raise with AA, a guy reraised and i went all-in. he called and we both had AA.:)ps : Do you mean when you got pocket aces a guy with 78 has so much outs that he has 23% to win?I know very well my odds to hit a flush, a straight, etc....but i'm not very good with percentage. if i have to, i use the "outs x 4" formula on the flop or " (outs x2)+2" on the turn.....if i'm not wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
Shark527 0 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 I've already tried asking for free money on this site, nobody gave me anything, buncha sticklers on here. Link to post Share on other sites
strappazon 0 Posted April 11, 2009 Author Share Posted April 11, 2009 I've already tried asking for free money on this site, nobody gave me anything, buncha sticklers on here.LOL....pm Daniel Negreanu. Link to post Share on other sites
strappazon 0 Posted April 11, 2009 Author Share Posted April 11, 2009 As Patrick Swayze would say in Roadhouse, "you don't have the right temperment for the trade."I prefer a quote from "the big lebowsky". Link to post Share on other sites
Solar 0 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Yeah, i see what you mean. good Finally the night wasn't that bad. I ended up with $5+. Funny thing is i had at least 5-6 times AA at the same table in 1 hrs. The first five times i reraised and everybody folded (probably because i've been on a rush and shown only good hands everytime i've had to ). So the last time i thought, ok, i'm going to limp in. I have two callers and the flop comes 772. I raise, and one guy called. Like a fool i went all in, he called and won with 72.Don't do this. If people are folding too much when you raise it means you should be raising more hands to steal the blinds, not limping with strong handsAnother time i raise with AA, a guy reraised and i went all-in. he called and we both had AA. you don't know tilt until you lose one of those :)ps : Do you mean when you got pocket aces a guy with 78 has so much outs that he has 23% to win? with K76 on the flop yesI know very well my odds to hit a flush, a straight, etc....but i'm not very good with percentage. if i have to, i use the "outs x 4" formula on the flop or " (outs x2)+2" on the turn.....if i'm not wrong. Ok formula for estimating chances. On the previous example he has 2 7's and 3 6's to take the lead (plus the bd straight which counts for about 1/2 an out 3+4+.5 = 7.5 , 7.5 x 4 = 28. So a bit high Link to post Share on other sites
kkot 0 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 How come he can calls ? He should have folded pre flop !WHY DO YOU WANT HIM TO FOLD PREFLOP?WHY WHY WHY Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 FACT: There are awful players at stakes much higher than what you are playingFACT: You make money off awful players in the long run.You think that playing higher stakes is going to mean you play against people who make sense, and don't play rubbish and get lucky? Example hand...Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comButton ($57.20)SB ($17)BB ($42.65)UTG ($50)Hero (MP) ($55)Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, A1 fold, Hero bets $1.75, 1 fold, SB raises to $5.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $17.75, SB calls $11.25 (All-In)Flop: ($34.50) 6, 9, J(2 players, 1 all-in)Turn: ($34.50) A(2 players, 1 all-in)River: ($34.50) 10(2 players, 1 all-in)Total pot: $34.50 | Rake: $1.70Results:SB had J, 6 (two pair, Jacks and sixes).Hero had Q, A (one pair, Aces).Outcome: SB won $32.80This kind of thing is STANDARD. I know what you mean that the micros are tedious, been there done that. All you can do is play lots of hands, and congratulate yourself any time you get the money in ahead. You won't tend to get a lot of sympathy around here either.One more thing, stop feeling like you deserve to win a hand, or that you deserve to win lots of money against a certain group of players. You won't get anything thinking you deserve it. The pot isn't yours until you're stacking up the chips. I'm not sure if you know the odds related to the hand you posted, but the guy with 78 is over 23% to beat your AA. That means almost one time in four that you get the money in with an overpair against middle pair you will lose. This is poker. It tilts the crap out of most people, but you just have to get over it.Very well said. I'm just surprised somebody took him seriously though. Link to post Share on other sites
dead money 1 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 OMFG....can someone paypal me $500 so i can play at tables with some decent players ? Ok, i now the more bad players there is, the more you gain if you're a decent/good player. Yes, i win money both in cash games and in tournaments ( i've started with $22 15 days ago and now i'm at $68) but all the crazy stuff i see everyday are driving me INSANE. I'm sick of being called when i'm all-in with JJ, (short stack in tourney), by a guy who has 10 times more chips and who calls with K2o and of course hits his pair on the river. I don't even talk about people who play 80 % of their hands and who get lucky when your have a good hand.I'd rather lose a little bit of money because other players are really stronger than me and their strategy makes sense that spending two fukin' hours earning $4 and seeing stuff that make me feel depressed.If there's a god he should allows me to play at a table with Negreanu, Brunson, Hellmuth, Ivey and some others dudes. Of course i'd get busted in like 10 hands....but i'd know why!I'm far of being a great player (i bet at least 60 % of the people here would take all my money) but i don't deserve to play 4 hrs a day with 90 % of donkeys. :(Yes i play poker because i wish one day it could be a second source of income. even if it's only like 150 euros a month but i also play because this game's great. For you American it'd be like seeing your favourite football team losing agaisnt a bunch of guys who don't know how to play. Beleive me you'd rather watch a great match even if you lose.How did you manage all this crap is you started to play at micro stakes ?HEEEEEEEELP !!Brb walking around the house and smoking a cig.You do realize when someone has 10 times your stack and you are short it is perfectly reasonable to call you with ATC. He is risking 10% of his stack to bust another player. Considering you are short, your range is rather wide, no matter your position. Therefore its not INSANE(as you put it) to make a call with a rather weak holding. So my assumption, based on your posts, is that you dont understand tourney strategy and are making yourself crazy because you feel you are better then you actually are. Link to post Share on other sites
strappazon 0 Posted April 11, 2009 Author Share Posted April 11, 2009 You do realize when someone has 10 times your stack and you are short it is perfectly reasonable to call you with ATC. He is risking 10% of his stack to bust another player. Considering you are short, your range is rather wide, no matter your position. Therefore its not INSANE(as you put it) to make a call with a rather weak holding. So my assumption, based on your posts, is that you dont understand tourney strategy and are making yourself crazy because you feel you are better then you actually are.First i don't think i'm better than i am. When there's still 20 people to eliminate before being ITM i just think it is stupid when someone who is chips leader call with any two cards. What was the point ? There was still 19 others people to eliminate. Was he going to call every short stack trying to kick the m all out of the game ? And if he lost his 10 % he would have lost at least 5-6 places in the ranking.I call people with any two cards when i'm a chip leader and when there's only 2-3 people to kick off before getting paid. not i nthe middle of a tournament because it is "fun". Link to post Share on other sites
regionx8 0 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 i've started with $22 15 days ago and now i'm at $68)How can you complain when you've more than tripled you roll in 15 days? Link to post Share on other sites
strappazon 0 Posted April 11, 2009 Author Share Posted April 11, 2009 How can you complain when you've more than tripled you roll in 15 days?I don't really complain. I just say it's annoying to see people playing in a way that doesn't makes any sense. Like this hand i've just played. I'm short stack. I'm waiting for a good hand that doesn't comes. Suddenly i'm dealt 88....of course i think "well, it is now or never" so i'm all in with $1,195. Pot odds are now 1.25:1.A guy who has $4,595 calls. It means he's ready to risk close to 1/4 of his stack in a middle of a tournament when blind are only at 40/80. That's the firdt think i don't understand. Now, we are both all-in and he has A8s Vs 88. What was the point for him ?Pros : he gains $1,105 in the middle of the touney which doesn't change a lot of things. There will be many hands and anything can happens.Cons : HE'S RISKING 1/4 OR HIS STACK WHEN IT DOESN'T WORTH IT.Of course the turn was an ace and he kicked me out. If his hole cards have been JJ,QQ,AK or AA. I'd have think :"ok, well played...". But when it is A8s.....what's the point. ?That the only thing that bothers me with this king of player. More He played at least 75 of his hands.Table '155067877 10' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: gkuki01 (13010 in chips)Seat 2: Jollymon13 (10165 in chips)Seat 3: pisete (5659 in chips)Seat 4: stingolabra (970 in chips)Seat 5: DD Ranch (8808 in chips)Seat 6: Wa-Ya-Nas (1735 in chips)Seat 7: Miriam555 (4675 in chips)Seat 8: strappazon (1105 in chips)Seat 9: squat600 (2340 in chips)Jollymon13: posts small blind 40pisete: posts big blind 80*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to strappazon [8c 8s]stingolabra: foldsDD Ranch: calls 80Wa-Ya-Nas: foldsMiriam555: calls 80strappazon: raises 1025 to 1105 and is all-insquat600: foldsgkuki01: foldsJollymon13: foldspisete: foldsDD Ranch: foldsMiriam555: calls 1025*** FLOP *** [2c 7h Kd]*** TURN *** [2c 7h Kd] [As]*** RIVER *** [2c 7h Kd As] [3d]*** SHOW DOWN ***Miriam555: shows [Ah 4h] (a pair of Aces)strappazon: shows [8c 8s] (a pair of Eights)Miriam555 collected 2410 from pot Link to post Share on other sites
TheDonk1989 0 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 FACT: There are awful players at stakes much higher than what you are playingFACT: You make money off awful players in the long run.You think that playing higher stakes is going to mean you play against people who make sense, and don't play rubbish and get lucky? Example hand...Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comButton ($57.20)SB ($17)BB ($42.65)UTG ($50)Hero (MP) ($55)Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, A1 fold, Hero bets $1.75, 1 fold, SB raises to $5.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $17.75, SB calls $11.25 (All-In)Flop: ($34.50) 6, 9, J(2 players, 1 all-in)Turn: ($34.50) A(2 players, 1 all-in)River: ($34.50) 10(2 players, 1 all-in)Total pot: $34.50 | Rake: $1.70Results:SB had J, 6 (two pair, Jacks and sixes).Hero had Q, A (one pair, Aces).Outcome: SB won $32.80This kind of thing is STANDARD. I know what you mean that the micros are tedious, been there done that. All you can do is play lots of hands, and congratulate yourself any time you get the money in ahead. You won't tend to get a lot of sympathy around here either.One more thing, stop feeling like you deserve to win a hand, or that you deserve to win lots of money against a certain group of players. You won't get anything thinking you deserve it. The pot isn't yours until you're stacking up the chips. I'm not sure if you know the odds related to the hand you posted, but the guy with 78 is over 23% to beat your AA. That means almost one time in four that you get the money in with an overpair against middle pair you will lose. This is poker. It tilts the crap out of most people, but you just have to get over it.I understand that he totally donked out with J 6... but why did you play AQo so aggressively? Maybe you just call to see that flop, you can get away easily. Link to post Share on other sites
TheDonk1989 0 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 At low stakes all you need to do is sit back and play really tight, ABC poker. Stick to the fundamentals, it's all you need.If you think you've got the best hand but it could be beaten, check-call can really help."When in doubt, check-call." Link to post Share on other sites
dead money 1 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 First i don't think i'm better than i am. When there's still 20 people to eliminate before being ITM i just think it is stupid when someone who is chips leader call with any two cards. What was the point ? There was still 19 others people to eliminate. Was he going to call every short stack trying to kick the m all out of the game ? And if he lost his 10 % he would have lost at least 5-6 places in the ranking.I call people with any two cards when i'm a chip leader and when there's only 2-3 people to kick off before getting paid. not i nthe middle of a tournament because it is "fun".And now I know for sure you dont understand tourney strategy. You drive yourself insane because you dont understand how the game works. Read up on tournament strategy and then you wont be making these threads anymore. Link to post Share on other sites
strappazon 0 Posted April 11, 2009 Author Share Posted April 11, 2009 And now I know for sure you dont understand tourney strategy. You drive yourself insane because you dont understand how the game works. Read up on tournament strategy and then you wont be making these threads anymore.I understand tournament strategy very well, thank you. If you think calling any all-in with any two cards if a good strategy, you can also play bingo/lottery. I've played a lot of tourneys but i only statted to log leverything in PT3 3 weeks ago and actually i win a good amount of money. You can't get lucky more than 30 times in a row. You can't be in the money most of the time just becasue you're a lucky guy. And you don't finished 29th out of 4500 players when you don't understand tournament strategy.Of course i need to improve my game and fix my leaks. But don't tell me i don't know anything about tournaments. Link to post Share on other sites
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