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I'm so glad my Skins didn't get him, I woulda probably had to endure another "The Skins win the Superbowl of March/April" thread lol. Gotta love the Dan Snyder haters lol.
Really? The first I heard about Washington or Snyder in this thread was with that post. You couldn't just let this thread be about the Cutler/Orton trade? You have to draw attention to the fact that the Redskins and Snyder avoided overpaying or over-trading for Cutler? Kudos, Washington.Anyway, if Denver can draft wisely in 09-10 they easily got the better end of this deal. P.S. - is there actually a "The Skins win the Superbowl of March/April" thread?
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Anyway, if Denver can draft wisely in 09-10 they easily got the better end of this deal.
Unlikely.Cutler is putting up silly numbers for his age, copying an ESPN insider article...
It certainly isn't as large as some other trades when it comes to the number of bodies and draft picks exchanging hands, but when it comes to one player's future value, the Jay Cutler deal may be the biggest trade in NFL history. Here's why:The rest of this analysis is available exclusively to ESPN Insiders. InsiderOther first-round quarterbacks were traded early in their careers, but never after they had already proved themselves to be quality starters. Eli Manning and John Elway forced their way out of town before they even took the field. Tommy Maddox was drafted to be Elway's backup and was sent to the Rams after two years when it was clear Elway wasn't going anywhere and Maddox wouldn't take a pay cut. Steve Walsh was a first-round supplemental pick in 1989, but of course the Cowboys that same year used the first overall pick in the regular draft on another quarterback, Troy Aikman. When Aikman clearly beat out Walsh for the starting job, the Cowboys dealt him to New Orleans.Getty ImagesMore Montana than Majkowski.Perhaps the most similar first-rounder was Jeff George, who also had personality issues to go with his big, strong arm, but the four seasons before Indianapolis traded him to Atlanta were nowhere near as good as Cutler's first three years. Cutler had more passing yards and touchdowns last year than George had in his final two seasons in Indianapolis combined.Pro Bowl quarterbacks have been traded before, of course -- in fact, one was traded just last year -- but Pro Bowl quarterbacks don't get traded this young. Brett Favre was almost 40 years old. So was Warren Moon when the Oilers dealt him to the Vikings in 1994. John Hadl was traded twice after making the Pro Bowl in two straight seasons, but he was in his mid-30s. Until Cutler, no quarterback under the age of 30 had ever been traded after a season with at least 20 passing touchdowns.Based on Football Outsiders' advanced defense-adjusted yards above replacement stats (explained here), Cutler was one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL last season. He holds very little if any blame for Denver's 8-8 record and late-season collapse. Cutler was the only full-time starting quarterback who didn't have a single game below replacement level in 2008. Denver was losing games because its defense was horrible. Our DVOA ratings go back to 1994, and over the past 15 seasons, the only defense to play worse belonged to the 2008 Lions.Conventional stats may give you an even better glimpse of just how good Cutler is compared with other young quarterbacks of recent vintage.A Cut Above?Here's a list of the most similar quarterbacks to Cutler over a two-year span, limited to players with four years of experience or less. The stats given are for the second of the two seasons. Our similarity scores aren't adjusted for each season, and there's no doubt that Cutler's numbers get a little help because offensive levels in the NFL are so high right now. Still, this is a pretty impressive list of quarterbacks whose careers got off to equally auspicious starts. *1982 and 1987 stats prorated due to strikesName Year Team G Comp Att Yds TD INT Comp% Yd/Att Age 2-Yr SimJay Cutler 07-08 Den 16 384 616 4,526 25 18 62.3 7.35 25 --Joe Montana 81-82* SF 16 379 615 4,645 30 20 61.6 7.55 26 901Peyton Manning 99-00 Ind 16 357 571 4,413 33 15 62.5 7.73 24 831Brett Favre 93-94 GB 16 363 582 3,882 33 14 62.4 6.67 25 786Tom Brady 01-02 NE 16 373 601 3,764 28 14 62.1 6.26 25 775Neil Lomax 83-84 STL 16 345 560 4,614 28 16 61.6 8.24 25 768Bernie Kosar 86-87* Cle 16 321 519 4,044 29 12 62.0 7.80 24 750Jim Kelly 86-87* Buf 16 333 559 3,731 25 15 59.7 6.68 27 744Carson Palmer 05-06 Cin 16 324 520 4,035 28 13 62.3 7.76 27 741Boomer Esiason 85-86 Cin 16 273 469 3,959 24 17 58.2 8.44 25 741Jim Everett 88-89 LA 16 304 518 4,310 29 17 58.7 8.32 26 730There's definitely no guarantee that Cutler will develop into a Hall of Famer like most of the other quarterbacks listed above. If we compare only Cutler's last season instead of looking at two-year spans, we find a quarterback who completely flamed out after his Pro Bowl third season.One-Year Wonder?Just in case the Montana mention gives you hives, Cutler could also stack up with another guy who had a big season.Name Year Team G Comp Att Yards TD INT Comp% Yd/Att AgeJay Cutler 2008 Den 16 384 616 4,526 25 18 62.3% 7.35 25Don Majkowski 1989 GB 16 353 599 4,318 27 20 58.9 7.21 25Still, the chances of that kind of flameout are small -- unlike the Majik Man, Cutler has done this for two years, not just one, and he was a first-round pick, not a 10th-rounder who had an out-of-nowhere fluke season.Bears fans have been waiting a long time for a quarterback as good as Cutler. In 15 years of Football Outsiders' DYAR stats, Cutler has ranked in the top 10 more times (twice) than all Bears quarterbacks combined (once, Erik Kramer in 1995).As for the Broncos, well, at least they now have the draft picks needed to rebuild their defense.
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Unlikely.Cutler is putting up silly numbers for his age, copying an ESPN insider article...
Yes, he is. I'm not saying it's great for Denver to lose a QB like Cutler, but to have four first round choices in the next two drafts will give them a chance at building a very strong team. A superstar QB alone doesn't make a great team. Chicago definitely wins short term on the deal, but Denver could eventually be much better because of it.
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Yes, he is. I'm not saying it's great for Denver to lose a QB like Cutler, but to have four first round choices in the next two drafts will give them a chance at building a very strong team. A superstar QB alone doesn't make a great team. Chicago definitely wins short term on the deal, but Denver could eventually be much better because of it.
If they draft well yea, but the NFL draft is so hit or miss it's insane. They really need to get better on defense, and I think Orton is more serviceable at QB than he is getting credit for right now.
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If they draft well yea, but the NFL draft is so hit or miss it's insane. They really need to get better on defense, and I think Orton is more serviceable at QB than he is getting credit for right now.
This is true, especially with those receivers in Denver he will probably be a slightly above average quarterback this year.That being said...and maybe someone from NE or DEN can answer this best...does McDaniels really think he can just take anyone and plug them in and the ship will run itself? Listening to his press conference, he just said "There isn't a specific mild we're looking for. Cassell wasn't Brady and Brady wasn't Cassell." He sounds like a rookie in the NBA who has gone like 165-14 through high school and college and says "I never lost before, I'm not about to start now"....ummmm yes you are. It was a nice run in NE and all but this guy seems way to overly confident if you ask me. Thoughts?
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If they draft well yea, but the NFL draft is so hit or miss it's insane. They really need to get better on defense....
Agreed. And I'd like to have four first round picks as opposed to two to try to shore up the D. Not saying they'll hit a home run with all four, but they have a better chance of improving. I can't believe I'm arguing in favor of the Broncos on anything. Jesus.
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Agreed. And I'd like to have four first round picks as opposed to two to try to shore up the D. Not saying they'll hit a home run with all four, but they have a better chance of improving.
Its just a matter of if the two picks they got for Cutler end up being worth the price.I'm wondering if next time I see Kyle's dad at the cardroom if he will be blinged out in Bronco gear. That would make me :club:
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Chicago gave up too much by giving 2 first rounders. Just one first rounder would have sufficed. That being said Cutler will be a huge upgrade over Orton/Grossman. Also the Bears signed Orlando Pace.

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Chicago gave up too much by giving 2 first rounders. Just one first rounder would have sufficed. That being said Cutler will be a huge upgrade over Orton/Grossman. Also the Bears signed Orlando Pace.
? No one was getting him without giving up 2 first rounders. The third round pick plus a servicable NFL quarterback in return is what sealed the deal.
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They didn't give up too much. Not even close. There was no downside for Chicago in this deal.
I agree with this. Having a franchise QB is worth so much it's not even funny.
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I agree with this. Having a franchise QB is worth so much it's not even funny.
THIS. I'd rather the bears spend two first round draft picks on a sure fire franchise quarterback, rather than spend pick after bad pick on them. How manyFirst round picks have the bears burned on shit qb's? Things that people need to remember are 1) he was a probowler last year. 2) he's 25, and about to enter his prime 3) he just threw for 4500 yards. Dan marino threw over 4500 exactly twice. He has so much potential it's a joke. even if I knew the bears could spend a first round draft pick on a sure fire franchise qb ( which doesn't exist), it would take 3 years for him to become good. Cutler has already spent those 3 years, and is ready to make hay. He had more trade value than pretty much any qb except for maybe Matt Ryan, because of the youth and talent combo. That said, the Broncos got at lot. But they should get a lot for a player like that.
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I often wonder if you go out of your way to be an annoying, unfunny troll or if it just comes natural to you.
To be fair to the troll, the Bears probably will still suck. At least one more year.
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