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It wouldn't surprise me if he really did owe $4 million to players in the big game, but it would surprise me if he had to skip town to build his roll back up to pay it off.The only reason he'd have to skip town is if he blew his entire bankroll, dipped into his reserves, and then lost most of that...I hope he's not that crazy...Then again, he probably is that crazy...I don't know what to think of this whole situation. If it's true, then that partially answers the question of "if all the players in the big game are world class, how does anyone win enough money to justify playing?"
well, according to barry, there are only 5 'real' pros in the big game. everyone else is a producer.
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Not sure if there is any truth to the rumor, but when I saw him in the Bellagio poker room right before the WPT championship event he looked like his best friend died. He was sloutched over with his hands on his head for about two hours, looking like he had a HUGE migrane.

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Not sure if there is any truth to the rumor, but when I saw him in the Bellagio poker room right before the WPT championship event he looked like his best friend died. He was sloutched over with his hands on his head for about two hours, looking like he had a HUGE migrane.
Being a couple mil in the hole might do that to you.
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Barry said ;"I play with Gus in side games where one million dollar swings are very rare, yet I have seen Gus get stuck a million and get even in the same session -- three different times!"Maybe no "Comebacks" the last 2 sessions he played??!!Is it possible? - Yes, why not?!True?- If DN responds not true, if he doesn`t, its the truth - I guess . :wink:

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Obviously, it's all heresay, but I can't say I'd be THAT surprised. As I understand it, Stu Ungar was really the only person to try an uber-aggressive style prior to this. It served him well in tournaments, but apparently resulted in him routinely getting his ass handed to him in cash games.Gus plays a similar style that borders on maniacal to the uninitiated. As I mentioned above, I wouldn't be that surprised if it were true, particularly since the phrase "poker player with financial sense" is just about an oxymoron.Of course, I'm presuming a lot, but remember, to be a winning poker player generally requires such a detachment, if you will, from money that you may not be aware of how much you're up or down until it's too late.

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Maybe him and TJ Cloutier can get a place together.
Why is Cloutier supposed to be in the whole big time as well? It's hard to believe with all the books and endorsements he has out there. It's interesting, some of the best tournament players around aren't in great financial shape.
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Maybe him and TJ Cloutier can get a place together.
Why is Cloutier supposed to be in the whole big time as well? It's hard to believe with all the books and endorsements he has out there. It's interesting, some of the best tournament players around aren't in great financial shape.
Its been rumoured, and even on his profile on BG's website that he can win a lot of poker money then waste it on craps. I dont know if he is actually in the hole but living a moderate lifestyle while being as sucessfull on the felt as he is is quite a shame if it is true.
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he definately isn't afraid to give action so i wouldn't doubt it if he is stuck big cash to some other pros but of course it's all hearsay to us. what he needs to do is what the smart pros are doing and start writing books, doing endorsements and consulting, or investing in some businesses before the poker boom levels out.
From all that I've heard, he is either in the process of writing a book, or has already finished it, and is just waiting for it to be published.I'm really not surprised at all about this. Gus' tactics may work in tournaments, but I'm not surprised they dont work in the "big game". Gus should have stuck to the path that Hellmuth runs, no high stakes cash games. Let your tournament skills pay the bills. Now he has to play a good cash game, or else....well lets just say that i wouldnt like to be in debt to a cowboy and his posse.
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Maybe him and TJ Cloutier can get a place together.
Why is Cloutier supposed to be in the whole big time as well? It's hard to believe with all the books and endorsements he has out there. It's interesting, some of the best tournament players around aren't in great financial shape.
For most of these guys, all they know is gambling... and they don't always win... the thrill of the gamble is enough for them... thats why a lot of winning players have to get staked, because they can't save and remultiply their own winnings... And its not like every time they sit down at the table, they are raking in every chip... I'm curious though, it always seems to be the same 6 players in the Big Game...so, all they're doing is passing money between each other, and the Bellagio...
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I think ultimately, the bigger question is if/when (which although I don't know him personally, I'm sure something will be arranged...) it will be paid back. If it's not true, then it's just one of those "things," that comes up. If it is, then I'm sure it will be addressed. Much along the lines of great gamblers, Stu Ungar comes to mind (not that I'm suggesting by any means Gus has an enormous coke problem like Stu.. ) but, at those high stakes, it's pretty surreal, and almost like play money (from what I hear). I've never played that high stakes before. Being as smart of a player as he is, I'm sure he would know if it was not paid back, their would be serious consequences as a result. We'll see what pans out, I suppose....maybe he could get one of those "Loans 'Til Pay Day," type thing..*L* j/kCK

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You are relying on information that had Daniel in rehab a few weeks ago everyone! Just a reminder....it may not be true!
Good point. If Newsweek can't be bothered to take the time to get a story right that could get lots of Americans killed and is already responsible for riots and some resulting deaths, then can we really trust a 3rd hand rumor on the internet about a poker player that people seem to either love or hate?
actually what newsweek printed was actually true. all that was a psyops ploy which backfired..but thats another story all together..
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there seems to be so many pros leaving these degenerative lifestyles, going broke, etc etc. no wonder so many amateur gamblers lead similarly degenerative lifestyles.there's a 5/10 game at my local casino that only runs about 2 tables per day, and about 12-15 regulars play every day. three of them are about my age (21), do not go to school, have very few, if any friends outside the poker room, and are consistent losers. i know these guys are money-makers for the rest of us, but i can't help but feel a tinge of guilt for these guys. not because they are losers, but because they are clearly unable to get themselves out of this degenerative lifestyle.in fact, i feel bad for anyone at the poker table (B&M or online) and isn't a proven winner, a recreational gambler or just learning the game.i know they are there of their own choice, but ethically i can't help but gently suggest to some of these people to spend less time at the tables. is this stupid since these are money-makers for me, or do you agree that ethically this is correct and there are more important things than money and poker?</rant> - think i had too much sugar tonight i'm really rambling.cheers,daniel

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Well, if he doesn't show up for the World Series we will know it is true.
maybe but lots of pros have passed up the wsop before for various reasons. can't blame them if the fields are too large, i mean how many wpt events are even over 1,000 people, let alone the 2k cap they got on the small WSOP events this year. if he's really that far in debt maybe he should create his own countertop grill and say it outdraws the fat. :club:
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there seems to be so many pros leaving these degenerative lifestyles, going broke, etc etc. no wonder so many amateur gamblers lead similarly degenerative lifestyles.there's a 5/10 game at my local casino that only runs about 2 tables per day, and about 12-15 regulars play every day. three of them are about my age (21), do not go to school, have very few, if any friends outside the poker room, and are consistent losers. i know these guys are money-makers for the rest of us, but i can't help but feel a tinge of guilt for these guys. not because they are losers, but because they are clearly unable to get themselves out of this degenerative lifestyle.in fact, i feel bad for anyone at the poker table (B&M or online) and isn't a proven winner, a recreational gambler or just learning the game.i know they are there of their own choice, but ethically i can't help but gently suggest to some of these people to spend less time at the tables. is this stupid since these are money-makers for me, or do you agree that ethically this is correct and there are more important things than money and poker?</rant> - think i had too much sugar tonight i'm really rambling.cheers,daniel
Well, unless you think you can take your money with you when you die...- Jordan
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Well, if he doesn't show up for the World Series we will know it is true.
maybe but lots of pros have passed up the wsop before for various reasons. can't blame them if the fields are too large, i mean how many wpt events are even over 1,000 people, let alone the 2k cap they got on the small WSOP events this year. if he's really that far in debt maybe he should create his own countertop grill and say it outdraws the fat. :club:
with as many entrants they are having this year, i think the pros egos will really compell them to play. they want the world to know the greg raymers and chris moneymakers arent the best in the game
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I don't know the customs in that game, but how could he owe the other players? Doyle Brunson or whoever else just loans him a million bucks to play? Seems like even if he was stuck it would be more likely for him to have a marker from the casino....

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Gus Hansen was in London after the 25k WPT Event playing in a live TV poker tournement , also Fergusson, Bloch and Lederer were playing but not in the same heat as it was single table format.(only winner goes through to nxt round). Gus lost his heat but seemed to be enjoying himself unlike someone whos on the run owing 4 mill.

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This is posted on 2+2 from one of their posters that has never gotten out of line...the guy seems to have some respect on there.....is this true?"Got this piece of gossip from a touring tournament pro yesterday. Apparently, Gus Hansen owes the "big game" $4 million spread out among a few of the regular players. He has been in Monte Carlo since the Bellagio 25K in order to avoid Doyle and Posse. I guess he is trying hard to make that much on PStars and at European casinos so he can come back and not be an outcast. "
I wouldn't doubt it.I have guys that stop buy our nightly game in Boston whom I cuff a couple hundred to play some 1-2 no limit and they hide for a while before reappearing.No big Surprise to me whatsoever.Hansen gets beat up playing 100-200 on stars when I watch so I am sure he takes a beating in the big game too.If true just a case of someone betting above their bankroll.Something I have done in Football numerous times in the past.THE BEST!!!!!!!!!
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and this comes mostly from Greenstien's website is that hansen isn't as agressive as people think. Ivey is the most aggressive player in the big game, and is a winner in it, so much for that "ultra agressive theory " by who ever said it... why would hanson player pokerstars instead of poker champs? you ever been to pokerchamps? ever seen a 100/200 game? why he doesn't play UB, i don'tknow.. maybe he does incognito...You all are a bunch of gossiping pigeons..

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Good lord people....listen to what youve been told and are spreading... " Gus skips town because he owes 4 million ". Thats rididculous...hes got money, believe me. Pokerchamps is doing very well, and so is Gus. One of my friends is a good friend of his, believe me, hes not " on the run " for owing people money.

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