Live 1-3 At Caesers

[40AcresFight 0]

Hero (~$500) raises to 10 from MP with AdAhMP+1 (~$700) calls 10MP+2 calls 10BTN calls 10BB (~$150) calls 10-flop- 3h 6c Kc; pot~50BB checksHero bets 30MP+1 calls 30MP+2, BTN foldBB shoves 150 totalHero????MP+1 is a good thinking player, has not got out of line through about 90 min of play. Slowly has chipped up, but shown down no handsBB is playing a very tight shortstack strategy. Has 3bet shoved preflop a few times, and check-shoved post flop once, has not shown any hands downi realize the preflop raise is too small, but i am worried about our flop play...i think i am ahead of the BB, but what to do about MP+1...

[A_Bullets_A 0]

Can't ask for a much better flop than that. Pretty much the only way you're losing is if he's got 33 or 66. KK probably raises you preflop and he probably doesn't play any hands that make two pair. He's probably just got a K or he's on a draw. If you just call, you're gonna have a tough decision if the turn comes with a K or a club and if he has a set it's gonna be tough to get away on that board anyways. I think you're way ahead of his range and you just have to get it in on the flop.

[DonkSlayer 1]

I don't think your preflop raise size was too small...you aren't going to be raising with aces every time, and you can't put in $15-20 every time you open the betting just because here or there you might get 4 callers. Such is live cash game play.Your lead was too small...I probably bet $45. You want draws to pay..instead they're getting almost 3:1 on their call of your bet. Call the shove; you're ahead of anything reasonable for BB to have but a set. Sucks you got checkraised because we're seeing sets and combo draws more often than if he just shoved behind, but it is what it is. If MP reshoves I can get away.

[CaseAce 0]

I don't think your preflop raise size was too small...you aren't going to be raising with aces every time, and you can't put in $15-20 every time you open the betting just because here or there you might get 4 callers. Such is live cash game play.Your lead was too small...I probably bet $45. You want draws to pay..instead they're getting almost 3:1 on their call of your bet. Call the shove; you're ahead of anything reasonable for BB to have but a set. Sucks you got checkraised because we're seeing sets and combo draws more often than if he just shoved behind, but it is what it is. If MP reshoves I can get away.

Agreed. I'm fine with the raise pre, but not so thrilled with the size of the lead. I'm not too worried about MP here if you flat the shove. I don't think he would smooth call what appears to be a continuation bet on flop with a set when theres 4 players left to act and a club draw on the board. He comes over the top after you flat the all in, and I think I can get away here as well.

[Mercury69 3]

1-3 DS and you raise to $10 with several people left to act? Isn't that asking for trouble?

[DonkSlayer 1]

Agreed. I'm fine with the raise pre, but not so thrilled with the size of the lead. I'm not too worried about MP here if you flat the shove. I don't think he would smooth call what appears to be a continuation bet on flop with a set when theres 4 players left to act and a club draw on the board. He comes over the top after you flat the all in, and I think I can get away here as well.

Ugh I changed my mind.Flatting BB's allin is going to give villain just under 3:1 to call. If villain is good, he could figure that he's not up against any kind of draw hand from Hero, so any non-3 club on the turn will be the nuts for him, and if you have KK/AK/AA or a set yourself, he may get your whole stack. In bb's spot, I would probably willing to take that gamble, especially if I thought I had a decent chance that you would still be scared of me flatting and check even if a non-club turned. Conversely, if as villain I thought shortstack was quite willing to play suited connectors and would be c/shoving with some sort of combo draw just as often as a set or good K, I would muck regardless of what happened next. In any case, I think you have to min-reraise to $270 here, forcing villain to make a mistake with a draw if he wants to continue. You will have over $190 left by then, but if villain reshoves you are so beat it's silly and I think I can still get away from it then.I may now get flamed by a bunch of people who say "zomg you have AA and only $190 left and a pot of $650~ you have to call anything", but I'm sure you're never equal or better than 30% to win the pot if MP shoves after you reraise.

[DonkSlayer 1]

1-3 DS and you raise to $10 with several people left to act? Isn't that asking for trouble?

If the max buyin is higher than $300 and/or most at the table have $400 or more, then I guess it's justifiable to raise more than $10 with any hand you want to open with. I wasn't necessarily saying you couldn't raise more, especially with AA, but I like to be consistent with my openings so that it's hard to put me on a hand, and I don't want to open for more than $10 with smaller pocket pairs, suited aces, some suited connectors in good position, etc when i'm dealing with a bunch of stacks in the $150-$200 range. All these things matter though:1. max buyin at table (i've never played 1-3 at a major casino so I don't know what it'll commonly be)2. Table av stack3. how often, if ever, my raises are reraised4. if I'm always getting called by 3-5 others if I open for 3/3.5 bb from MP or earlier. We don't know any of these things about the table, so my answer to the opening raise size might change with some more details.

[Mercury69 3]

If the max buyin is higher than $300 and/or most at the table have $400 or more, then I guess it's justifiable to raise more than $10 with any hand you want to open with. I wasn't necessarily saying you couldn't raise more, especially with AA, but I like to be consistent with my openings so that it's hard to put me on a hand, and I don't want to open for more than $10 with smaller pocket pairs, suited aces, some suited connectors in good position, etc when i'm dealing with a bunch of stacks in the $150-$200 range. All these things matter though:1. max buyin at table (i've never played 1-3 at a major casino so I don't know what it'll commonly be)2. Table av stack3. how often, if ever, my raises are reraised4. if I'm always getting called by 3-5 others if I open for 3/3.5 bb from MP or earlier. We don't know any of these things about the table, so my answer to the opening raise size might change with some more details.

I like the "consistency" aspect, but I'm thinking a more positional based raise would keep people off-balance...If you are consistent from various positions with your raise amount, you might not have to fight off a bunch of flat callers. Maybe I'm thinking raise more from UTG/EP/MP and a little less from LP/CO/BU.That being said, I'm just discussing options...no judgements :-)

[DonkSlayer 1]

I like the "consistency" aspect, but I'm thinking a more positional based raise would keep people off-balance...If you are consistent from various positions with your raise amount, you might not have to fight off a bunch of flat callers. Maybe I'm thinking raise more from UTG/EP/MP and a little less from LP/CO/BU.That being said, I'm just discussing options...no judgements :-)

That's the other good way of doing it...varying raise sizes based on your position. Against good players though I do think it allows villains to tighten their ranges for you, unless you're willing to make the larger raises in EP with a variety of hands.

[pokerinc 0]

I'm not flaming or anything, but I do think that if we're gonna make the min raise it's b/c we want to appear even stronger than we would if we shoved, not because we want to have the option of folding.If MP 1 shoves over the top of the min raise I would be calling b/c AQcc is part of the range that would do it so I can't find the fold at that point.

[A_Bullets_A 0]

I'm not flaming or anything, but I do think that if we're gonna make the min raise it's b/c we want to appear even stronger than we would if we shoved, not because we want to have the option of folding.If MP 1 shoves over the top of the min raise I would be calling b/c AQcc is part of the range that would do it so I can't find the fold at that point.

I agree. Even with a min raise I think there's too much in the pot to fold with these stack sizes. That's why I said I'd just shove the flop.

[Footballguru 0]

i dunno lol. i can see a case for a flat call, min raise, or shove. I dont think any are bad. I prefer a min raise i guess. I dont know its a sick spot with these stack sizes.

[40AcresFight 0]

results bump...i ended up calling the BB shove. I figured the BB shove included 33 66, AK, KQs (not clubs), Ax clubs, and I was therefore ahead of his shoving range.MP put me in a super awkward situation because of the stack sizes. I think shoving/minraising with AA is too spewy because he is only calling with sets or maybe Ac3c, none of which I am far ahead of. MP ended up shoving after my call and I ended up tank folding. I never think he is shoving a K here, maybe 4c5c or Ax clubs, but mostly sets. If he shoves a draw here it drastically changes his image (maybe loosens up the table??), I get to file that info away and it only costs me ~$160MP showed 66 and BB showed AcJcTurn blank, River club.