Ship_itt 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Full Tilt Poker Game #11222968398: $18,500 Guarantee (84254653), Table 22 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:37:42 ET - 2009/03/19Seat 1: pjjoner (1,612)Seat 2: MrCEE (4,505)Seat 3: spider1015 (7,515)Seat 4: Mutha Flushaa (7,165)Seat 5: CHABALLA (2,770)Seat 6: Tibadosky (8,806)MrCEE posts the small blind of 60spider1015 posts the big blind of 120The button is in seat #1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Mutha Flushaa [Kc Td]Mutha Flushaa has 15 seconds left to actMutha Flushaa raises to 300CHABALLA foldsTibadosky foldspjjoner foldsMrCEE foldsspider1015 raises to 480Mutha Flushaa calls 180*** FLOP *** [Kh Ks 8c]spider1015 bets 480Mutha Flushaa calls 480*** TURN *** [Kh Ks 8c] [5h]spider1015 checksMutha Flushaa checks*** RIVER *** [Kh Ks 8c 5h] [6h]spider1015 bets 720Mutha Flushaa has 15 seconds left to actim never folding here..just curious if this is a call or raise? Link to post Share on other sites
Knollie919 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 id probably just call Link to post Share on other sites
WhatArunAA 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Fold pre. Link to post Share on other sites
Knollie919 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Fold pre.touche lol Link to post Share on other sites
Good Tom Hunting 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Full Tilt Poker Game #11222968398: $18,500 Guarantee (84254653), Table 22 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:37:42 ET - 2009/03/19Seat 1: pjjoner (1,612)Seat 2: MrCEE (4,505)Seat 3: spider1015 (7,515)Seat 4: Mutha Flushaa (7,165)Seat 5: CHABALLA (2,770)Seat 6: Tibadosky (8,806)MrCEE posts the small blind of 60spider1015 posts the big blind of 120The button is in seat #1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Mutha Flushaa [Kc Td]Mutha Flushaa has 15 seconds left to actMutha Flushaa raises to 300CHABALLA foldsTibadosky foldspjjoner foldsMrCEE foldsspider1015 raises to 480Mutha Flushaa calls 180*** FLOP *** [Kh Ks 8c]spider1015 bets 480Mutha Flushaa calls 480*** TURN *** [Kh Ks 8c] [5h]spider1015 checksMutha Flushaa checks*** RIVER *** [Kh Ks 8c 5h] [6h]spider1015 bets 720Mutha Flushaa has 15 seconds left to actim never folding here..just curious if this is a call or raise?Raisy Daisy Link to post Share on other sites
r0llin_game 1 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I'd prolly put him on a decently strong range of hands. I think AK is ruled out for how little he repopped. AA could be a possibility for the little reraise. There is some value in popping it on the turn and I could see you getting called down by lighter hands, even with the backdoor getting there too. Link to post Share on other sites
Ship_itt 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 Fold pre.like you know how to play poker.. Link to post Share on other sites
msals11 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 definitely raising this river as played. Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I'd prolly put him on a decently strong range of hands. I think AK is ruled out for how little he repopped. AA could be a possibility for the little reraise. There is some value in popping it on the turn and I could see you getting called down by lighter hands, even with the backdoor getting there too.in your own words 'stop sucking'I see the tiny re-raise with AK a lot, so AK is possible. I just flat call. If you ARE ahead here, what calls a raise? This seems like 99+, KJs+(this is 6-max, people will 3 bet wide). So you lose to KJs+, You beat 99-QQ and AA. How likely is it villain calls a river raise qith QQ-99? unlikely. Flat call all day Link to post Share on other sites
no not baxter 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 BET THE ****ING TURN Link to post Share on other sites
kobe2odom8 14 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 BET THE ****ING TURNmy thoughts exactly, but i call the river Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Call.I'm guessing you have to be running shit hot to post Strat hand in GenPo? I hope I get there soon... Link to post Share on other sites
Ship_itt 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 Call.I'm guessing you have to be running shit hot to post Strat hand in GenPo? I hope I get there soon...no one ever answers when i post in strat..and guys like msals and nnb who replied to this in like 5 minutes, i never even see in strat Link to post Share on other sites
DinkDonk 1 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 in your own words 'stop sucking'I see the tiny re-raise with AK a lot, so AK is possible. I just flat call. If you ARE ahead here, what calls a raise? This seems like 99+, KJs+(this is 6-max, people will 3 bet wide). So you lose to KJs+, and AA. You beat 99-QQ. How likely is it villain calls a river raise qith QQ-99? unlikely. Flat call all dayI think you either misread the board or misspoke. We don't lose to AA.Fold pre. If not, bet the turn. As played, I'm not sure on the river. Raising feels like it's never getting paid off light, but calling feels so weak after underrepping our hand so much. Link to post Share on other sites
Ship_itt 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 I think you either misread the board or misspoke. We don't lose to AA.Fold pre. If not, bet the turn. As played, I'm not sure on the river. Raising feels like it's never getting paid off light, but calling feels so weak after underrepping our hand so much.why do you fold pre here? are you saying open fold or fold to his rr? Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 no one ever answers when i post in strat..and guys like msals and nnb who replied to this in like 5 minutes, i never even see in stratS'all good by me, Shippsy. Keep up the good work... Link to post Share on other sites
msals11 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 checking back turn and raising river when bet into is definitely a better line imo.. by checking back turn he is almost always going to rule out a king being in your range, and not fold his aces or queens or w/e he has on the river Link to post Share on other sites
r0llin_game 1 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I think you either misread the board or misspoke. We don't lose to AA.He's an idiot, don't pay him no mind. Link to post Share on other sites
Ship_itt 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 checking back turn and raising river when bet into is definitely a better line imo.. by checking back turn he is almost always going to rule out a king being in your range, and not fold his aces or queens or w/e he has on the riverthis is why you are the man Link to post Share on other sites
kobe2odom8 14 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 He's an idiot, don't pay him no mind.lol nice picture Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I think you either misread the board or misspoke. We don't lose to AA.Fold pre. If not, bet the turn. As played, I'm not sure on the river. Raising feels like it's never getting paid off light, but calling feels so weak after underrepping our hand so much.misspoke, ty Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 checking back turn and raising river when bet into is definitely a better line imo.. by checking back turn he is almost always going to rule out a king being in your range, and not fold his aces or queens or w/e he has on the riverTrue, but when we raise the river it sends out a big red flag that says 'I like my hand'. Put yourself in villain's spot. What hand flat calls the flop, check the turn and raises the river?This is why betting the turn is good. Especially a smaller bet, imo. That makes it look a lot like a small-mid PP or like 86s+ and disguises your hand better Link to post Share on other sites
msals11 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 True, but when we raise the river it sends out a big red flag that says 'I like my hand'. Put yourself in villain's spot. What hand flat calls the flop, check the turn and raises the river?This is why betting the turn is good. Especially a smaller bet, imo. That makes it look a lot like a small-mid PP or like 86s+ and disguises your hand betterOk let me ask you this. When we bet small on the turn. and then bet big on the river, will that not be a red flag? I think checking back the turn is way more deceptive, and is going to get you two streets worth of value (because of your raise on the river) a lot more often than betting the turn and river will. (especially in a 75 dollar tournament) Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Ok let me ask you this. When we bet small on the turn. and then bet big on the river, will that not be a red flag? I think checking back the turn is way more deceptive, and is going to get you two streets worth of value (because of your raise on the river) a lot more often than betting the turn and river will. (especially in a 75 dollar tournament)Who says we have to bet big on the river? Link to post Share on other sites
r0llin_game 1 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Ok let me ask you this. When we bet small on the turn. and then bet big on the river, will that not be a red flag? I think checking back the turn is way more deceptive, and is going to get you two streets worth of value (because of your raise on the river) a lot more often than betting the turn and river will. (especially in a 75 dollar tournament)I told him the same thing on aim, his response "donks have money too" pertaining to it being a $75 mtt and not a $3 sng. Link to post Share on other sites
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