Maximizing Value - Live 1/2

[CaseAce 0]

I was playing 1/2 down at Mohegan over the weekend, and a hand came up that I wanted to get an opinion on. I’ve been at the table for about an hour. To this point, I haven’t seen the villain get out of line, but he did make a comment to someone else at the table about how he doesn’t play online poker because he doesn’t like to be cheated. Also, this table is extremely loose passive. I think theres been 5 pots raised preflop since I sat down, and 4 of them were by me. My image at the table is probably a maniac, because a revolution before I raised 3 limpers with 45 suited in position, then showed the hand down after a Q44J6 board. UTG+1 ($150)Villain 1 (MP1) ($275)Villain 2 (MP2) ($140)CO ($600)Hero (Button) ($360)SB ($200)BB ($350)UTG ($70)Preflop: Hero is Button with K, 101 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, Villain 1 calls $2, Villain 2 calls $2, CO calls $2, Hero calls $2, 1 fold, BB checksFlop: ($13) J, 9, 8(6 players)BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Villain 1 checks, Villain 2 checks, CO checks, Hero bets $10, 2 folds, Villain 1 calls $10, Villain 2 calls $10, 1 foldTurn: ($43) Q(3 players)Villain 1 checks, Villain 2 checks, Hero bets $25, Villain 1 calls $25, 1 foldRiver: ($93) 4(2 players)Villain 1 checks, Hero bets $65Other than upping my turn and river bets by 10, what do you guys think?At this point, I have the villains range narrowed down almost exclusively to a 10. When I have seen villains past winning hands, he’s protected them against straight draws and flushes, unless he’s been on the draw himself. I am almost positive he would have raised the flop if he held AJ, two pair or a set.My question is, if I’ve put villain on a 10 here, can I get value from a shove? What about a good size overbet like 130? At the time, the thought never crossed my mind, because I hadn’t thought the villains range through well enough(I was too worried about folding out 2 pairs and sets at the time) but would it have been a profitable play to shove? I had a pretty wild image, and theres a good chance this guy may think I’m just some idiot doing this with a 10, and feel obligated to call it down. Also, I wouldn’t discount the possibility this guy would think I’m trying to bowl him over with like AJ or QJ.On paper, it seems like a stupid idea since the pots only 93 bucks, but in retrospect, I feel like I left money out on the table. Thoughts?

[mtdesmoines 3]

I was playing 1/2 down at Mohegan over the weekend, and a hand came up that I wanted to get an opinion on. I’ve been at the table for about an hour. To this point, I haven’t seen the villain get out of line, but he did make a comment to someone else at the table about how he doesn’t play online poker because he doesn’t like to be cheated. Also, this table is extremely loose passive. I think theres been 5 pots raised preflop since I sat down, and 4 of them were by me. My image at the table is probably a maniac, because a revolution before I raised 3 limpers with 45 suited in position, then showed the hand down after a Q44J6 board. UTG+1 ($150)Villain 1 (MP1) ($275)Villain 2 (MP2) ($140)CO ($600)Hero (Button) ($360)SB ($200)BB ($350)UTG ($70)Preflop: Hero is Button with K, 101 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, Villain 1 calls $2, Villain 2 calls $2, CO calls $2, Hero calls $2, 1 fold, BB checksFlop: ($13) J, 9, 8(6 players)BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Villain 1 checks, Villain 2 checks, CO checks, Hero bets $10, 2 folds, Villain 1 calls $10, Villain 2 calls $10, 1 foldTurn: ($43) Q(3 players)Villain 1 checks, Villain 2 checks, Hero bets $25, Villain 1 calls $25, 1 foldRiver: ($93) 4(2 players)Villain 1 checks, Hero bets $65Other than upping my turn and river bets by 10, what do you guys think?At this point, I have the villains range narrowed down almost exclusively to a 10. When I have seen villains past winning hands, he’s protected them against straight draws and flushes, unless he’s been on the draw himself. I am almost positive he would have raised the flop if he held AJ, two pair or a set.My question is, if I’ve put villain on a 10 here, can I get value from a shove? What about a good size overbet like 130? At the time, the thought never crossed my mind, because I hadn’t thought the villains range through well enough(I was too worried about folding out 2 pairs and sets at the time) but would it have been a profitable play to shove? I had a pretty wild image, and theres a good chance this guy may think I’m just some idiot doing this with a 10, and feel obligated to call it down. Also, I wouldn’t discount the possibility this guy would think I’m trying to bowl him over with like AJ or QJ.On paper, it seems like a stupid idea since the pots only 93 bucks, but in retrospect, I feel like I left money out on the table. Thoughts?

This is where live poker is advantageous. The pot is all scrunched up and I bet 95% of the players at the table don't know how much there is in it.Stack $25 on top of a $100 red stack and slide it in. If he has a T, he has to AT LEAST call.

[GreeneStreet 0]

This is where live poker is advantageous. The pot is all scrunched up and I bet 95% of the players at the table don't know how much there is in it.Stack $25 on top of a $100 red stack and slide it in. If he has a T, he has to AT LEAST call.

Completely agree with this. Live players never know how much is in there, and I have made it a point in always monitoring the pot size. I think you could have gotten away with a pot size (or as suggested - $100) bet and gotten a call out of him.

[Biff Goods 0]

Definitely bet more on the turn. I bet 50 on the turn and hope the short stack villain(2) shoves.At this point if Villain 1 calls the 50 (and he usually will), he will easily call 100 or more on the river. You could even shove profitably. The other thing is,.....if you have a "crazy" image...making big bets is gonna make them want to call you more cause you are a "bully"

[bigcoled 1]

If you put him on a ten, overbet the pot, knowing it will look like a steal and you'll get at least a call... if you put him on less, bet something he can call...

[A_Bullets_A 0]

I don't think you really need to be making a bigger bet for value on the turn. If someone has a T, they're gonna call you on the turn anyways (or raise you). If they don't have it then they're really only calling if they think you have air, so you need to bet an amount that you think they would perceive to be a bluff. That might mean you need to make a bigger or a smaller bet. It depends on what you beleive they think of you (if they picture you as the bully like you said, then probably a bigger bet).Then on the river it depends what you think this particular guy could have. If he's the type of guy that you think is always raising or betting the turn with a T then you know he doesn't have it so he's only gonna call if he thinks you're bluffing. The smaller bet is probably better in this case to try and get him to call you down light. If you do think there's a decent chance he has the T though, he's probably never folding it and you can just shove.

[CaseAce 0]

If you do think there's a decent chance he has the T though, he's probably never folding it and you can just shove.

That was my thought too. If I'm almost sure he has a 10, I don't think many 1/2 players would be able to fold in this spot, so there would be value in shoving. Honestly, all the ideas posted so far would probably work in this situation at this level. If I had to do it over again, I think I would have used the crazy donk persona to my advantage, announced I was all in, and stared the guy down so he would think I was trying to run him over.

[gooch 0]

This is where live poker is advantageous. The pot is all scrunched up and I bet 95% of the players at the table don't know how much there is in it.Stack $25 on top of a $100 red stack and slide it in. If he has a T, he has to AT LEAST call.

fantastic ruthless advice*adds note to mtdesmoines*c-o-l-d b-l-o-o-d-e-d