RISEorFall 0 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 so ive built a BR several times playing limit with a few decent MTT cashes. ive played plenty of NL home games and dorm games, and ive always done well. i play limit online mostly bc most players have no clue how to play limit, and partly bc i think i play NL better when i can look at people and get a better feel for them. lately limit games are getting more scarce, and i know several good limit players who went to NL and never went back. so since im building a BR again i figured id play some NL. this is a pretty standard limit situation in which i dont mind putting in several bets, but i dont know how popular blind stealing is in NL compared to limit. Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP2 ($60.20)CO ($50)Button ($50.50)Hero (SB) ($33.25)BB ($26.90)UTG ($8)UTG+1 ($60.10)MP1 ($6.95)Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 , A 5 folds, Button bets $2, Hero calls $1.75, 1 foldFlop: ($4.50) 7 , 3 , 5 (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $3, Hero raises to $9, Button raises to $48.50 (All-In), Hero calls $22.25 (All-In)Total pot: $67 | Rake: $3players keep coming and going, so i have no real reads on most of them. ive been pretty tight for a while, but i dont know how much he's paying attention.should i be 3betting preflop? just folding?i hate stacking off >60 BB here, but im not sure I should be laying down TPTK to button raises often. though i think i should have folded to the push, though im getting like 2-1 Link to post Share on other sites
pokerinc 0 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I fold it pre flop b/c rag aces oop in nl are a hassle. On the flop I think c/c or lead and go from there are both better lines then this one. That said, once he jams I think you can safely get away from this. The only draw he could jam is 68, every other hand that plays that strong has you beat, you don't have a read on him that says he'll get out of line so give him credit. Link to post Share on other sites
SCS 0 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 The thing in NL vs Limit is that you should be folding more out of the blinds vs a steal attempt because if you defend a little too loosely in limit you risk losing a couple bets, whereas in NL you risk your stack. C/r flop is bad, because you aren't getting value from worse hands and villain isn't folding better. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 OK, I know it's a button raise and we're holding an ace. And then we hit our flop with TPTK (unbelievably). So we check-raise the Cbet and get shoved on. I think we've played this hand as aggressively as we should or is possible and it's time to dump it. I don't think it's BAD to answer button aggression, because if we don't, they'll beat us to death. But it is ONLY a SB and we're horribly out of position and our hand kinda does suck to a flop shove. Link to post Share on other sites
CaseAce 0 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 It may be different on FT, but on stars, this is almost ALWAYS a big hand. I just don't see a lot of extended bluffing on Stars in 50NL. You showed some strength by calling from the SB and then check raising, and he is still pushing. I'm alright up until the C/R like SCS, but as he said, you aren't getting value from worse hands and villain isn't folding better. The minute he shoved, its an easy dump. I can see anything from 46 to TT+ showing up here. I guess it could be a set, but 95% of the time on stars, a small pair will be limping from the button looking to mine against the unsuspecting blinds. Either way, you're beat. Link to post Share on other sites
Jimako03 0 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 The only hands that u have beat are AK, 66, 44. Compared to about 11-12 hands he could have that have you beat. Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 yeah this is pretty bad; you already know it though. Think of the fundamentals in NLHE - be in position, play dominating hands, and bet for value. This hand achieves none of those objectives - you're OOP with an easily dominATED hand, which you turn into a bluff OTF. IMO you're putting too much stock in button raising / aggression / blind stealing. At the least don't begin to defend until you develop a read (both pre and postflop) on a player. Otherwise you're guessing or, worse, interpreting his action as fits your mood. Link to post Share on other sites
Danege 1 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 but 95% of the time on stars, a small pair will be limping from the button looking to mine against the unsuspecting blinds. Either way, you're beat.This seems really wrong to me.... Link to post Share on other sites
CaseAce 0 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 This seems really wrong to me....Not in 50NL on stars for some reason. That seems to be a staple move. If villain is competent though, a set is definitely in his range. Link to post Share on other sites
Danege 1 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Not in 50NL on stars for some reason. That seems to be a staple move. If villain is competent though, a set is definitely in his range.If he's competent he's not going to open limp on the button... Link to post Share on other sites
CaseAce 0 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 If he's competent he's not going to open limp on the button... If villain is competent though, a set is definitely in his range. Link to post Share on other sites
Sens-Eh 0 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Don't call preflop with A rag from the SB. Your half blind, isn't worth defending oop...You will have to give up your blinds easier in NL then in Limit.I fold this without a second thought against all but particular villians I have a deep history with and reason to believe I can make money off with a 3-bet. Link to post Share on other sites
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