Can You Let Go Of The Ladies Here?

[jmbreslin 0]

Middle of STT. Villain was very loose and passive, running at something like 50/8.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 2+0.25 Tournament, 40/80 Blinds (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSB (t1245)Hero (BB) (t2942)UTG (t2835)MP (t1915)Button (t4563)Hero's M: 24.52Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q2 folds, Button bets t280, 1 fold, Hero calls t200Flop: (t600) 3, 3, 4(2 players)Hero checks, Button bets t600, Hero calls t600Turn: (t1800) 5(2 players)Hero checks, Button bets t1800, Hero ??? I played the hand cautiously for 2 reasons: 1) because of stack sizes and the fact that I was sitting 2nd in chips, I didn't want to get overinvolved with the bigstack; 2) a raise from a player running at 50/8 is a red flag - he plays lots and lots of hands, but doesn't raise many of them.I opted for the check-call on the flop to keep the pot controlled and test him on the turn but his huge almost all-in 2nd bullet caught me off guard. So now I'm facing an all in decision on the turn, not knowing whether I'm behind AA/KK or ahead of JJ/TT. I figured missed overcards were highly unlikely after his big 2nd bullet.As for earlier in the hand, how might you play it differently? Donkbet the flop? Check-raise all-in?

[rog 0]

As played I don't see a fold here. You've underrepresented your hand, and his bet is only pot sized, so IMO you're committed here.I would have re-raised to 600 preflop, and lead nearly pot size at that flop.Finally, 8 is not that passive. He's open-raising on the button 5-handed. I see no reason to play timidly here.

[SGFULTON83 0]

All-in pre-flop, if not then on the flop for sure. If its aces or kings fire up another.

[tbrick412 0]

I actually don't hate flat calling preflop and getting it in on any non A/K flop. We might lose a bit of value this way, but chances of survival are way better imo. I check raise him on the flop.

[RISEorFall 0]

you're 2 away from the bubble and your 2nd place stack is only 100 over 3rd and 1000 over 4th. that lead disappears quickly if you play this badly. plus nobody's really too shortstacked. it's 5 handed and he's on the button, even passive players get a little more aggressive here, and even so, you're ahead of a ton of hands that even a tight player would raise.i understand playing to cash and then going for 1st, but not to this extreme. youre giving up way too much by playing this scared

[slink 1]

I actually don't hate flat calling preflop and getting it in on any non A/K flop. We might lose a bit of value this way, but chances of survival are way better imo. I check raise him on the flop.

agree

[pokerinc 0]

You haven't done anything in this hand that gives you a chance to win it besides at showdown. I really hate the line, and hate a fold more. Get it in imo.

[mk 11]

maybe you didn't notice but you have two queens

[Mercury69 3]

All-in pre-flop, if not then on the flop for sure. If its aces or kings fire up another.

[jmbreslin 0]

For those of you advocating getting it all in PF, what's the drawback of calling PF with the intention of getting it in on a non A/K flop? I think a bit of caution is warranted in situations where we lose a whole lot more equity than we gain by playing it fast. Busting out against the bigstack when you're sitting with a healthy stack too often is a leak, IMO.

[SGFULTON83 0]

For those of you advocating getting it all in PF, what's the drawback of calling PF with the intention of getting it in on a non A/K flop? I think a bit of caution is warranted in situations where we lose a whole lot more equity than we gain by playing it fast. Busting out against the bigstack when you're sitting with a healthy stack too often is a leak, IMO.

If the A or K does hit the flop. Calling isn't terrible, but if the A or K hits you add complication to a hand that shouldn't be tricky to play. The shorts aren't that short either, so this is a great time to pad our stack.

[thavinny9 0]

I would have re-raised pre flop, it's 5 handed, he's on the button and his range is wide so he might fold but winning a small pot is better than loosing a big one by being sucked outthe chances that you're against aces or kings aren't big at a 5 handed tableif an A-K did'n hit the flop, you can shove and you might win a nice pot (because of the re-raise preflop)with your re-raise preflop he might not call with a 3 and might call with a pocket pair between 5's and Jacksthat's the way I would've play the hand...what did you think about it(and if there is some grammatical mistakes, sorry but I'm a frenck spaking guy)

[jmbreslin 0]

I guess if I can't fold at any point then it's six of one, half dozen of the other with respect to how I play it. Either I reraise and get it all in PF, or reraise PF and get it all in on the flop, or I make the call all-in on the turn as played. One thing I probably didn't give enough consideration to initially is that he's raising from the Button 5-handed as the bigstack, which does widen his range beyond what his 8 PFR would indicate on its own.If I had to play it again I think I'd opt for re-popping him PF.

[GreeneStreet 0]

DEfinitely should have raised pf and shoved on the flop facing the raise. As played, I think you have to fold imo.

[Gallo 1]

maybe you didn't notice but you have two queens

This definitely needs alot more love.And I totally agree with said statement.Seriously, it seems that people in the Strat forms are waaaaaaaay toooooooooo freakin tight. If you're worried about an overpair, AA or KK, vs. QQ then tbh you probably shouldn't be playing.

[Biff Goods 0]

maybe you didn't notice but you have two queens

[DonkSlayer 1]

Seriously, it seems that people in the Strat forms are waaaaaaaay toooooooooo freakin tight. If you're worried about an overpair, AA or KK, vs. QQ then tbh you probably shouldn't be playing.

While I still dont' agree with you on the 77 thread, I agree with your statement in general. OP needs to always, always, always reraise preflop unless villain is very aggro and we can trap him by CRAI on the flop. Just because the player doesn't raise much doesn't mean he has AA/KK always, and AK is fine to flip against in a SNG. I think SGFulton said RRAI preflop was a decent option and I do disagree with that...with the bb at 80 we have over 30 bb's and I do think we can get away from this if we reraise to t800 preflop and get shoved on.

[kkot 0]

DEfinitely should have raised pf and shoved on the flop facing the raise. As played, I think you have to fold imo.

So you want to get it in on the flop, but fold the turn.What changed from the flop to the turn?

[jmbreslin 0]

I think SGFulton said RRAI preflop was a decent option and I do disagree with that...with the bb at 80 we have over 30 bb's and I do think we can get away from this if we reraise to t800 preflop and get shoved on.

If we reraise and get shoved we can probably eliminate hands like AJ, AQ, TT, but we can't necessarily eliminate JJ or AK. If the guy was running at 50/2 instead of 50/8, then maybe we can narrow his push 4-bet to AA/KK. However if I reraise and he just calls, I'd be more confident putting him on something like TT/JJ than AA/KK, AK.I think the bottom line is that I don't have enough information to get away from my QQ here, nor will I be able to get that information.

[Gallo 1]

While I still dont' agree with you on the 77 thread, I agree with your statement in general. OP needs to always, always, always reraise preflop unless villain is very aggro and we can trap him by CRAI on the flop. Just because the player doesn't raise much doesn't mean he has AA/KK always, and AK is fine to flip against in a SNG. I think SGFulton said RRAI preflop was a decent option and I do disagree with that...with the bb at 80 we have over 30 bb's and I do think we can get away from this if we reraise to t800 preflop and get shoved on.

lolI understand, my reason was based on the player involved though, not because we had an overpair.

[DonkSlayer 1]

lolI understand, my reason was based on the player involved though, not because we had an overpair.

I mean we can't agree EVERY time

[Gallo 1]

I mean we can't agree EVERY time

We can try!!

[cdipierr 0]

I can see a preflop call. I can even see a post-flop check if we're sure he's going to bet it regardless of what he has (what's his standard post-flop action?). But just calling after he bets the flop is ridiculous. We give him a free shot to catch a ton of bad cards for us. I know you're worried about playing against another big stack, but remember he has to have the same concern. If he raises, and you come over the top to 800 or so pre-flop, he's not shoving AT or AJ, so you're not going to get bluffed in that spot. Reraise PF, if he shoves, maaaaaaaybe fold (I'm not sure I do). If you're just called, then push any non A/K board.

[BeaverStyle 1]

maybe you didn't notice but you have two queens

QFT.

So you want to get it in on the flop, but fold the turn.What changed from the flop to the turn?

A2o and 55 both got there. Plus, you're behind 33 and 44. And AA and KK. In all seriousness, I don't think AA/KK bets pot on the flop. This definitely looks more like AK or a mid-pair. I just call turn and donk-bet shove river. roflcopter.