7 minutes into a nl tournament (184 entries)

[Comatose_Soul 0]

About seven minutes into a NL tournament, most players sitting with around T1500 in chips. Top 2 spots are 2k WSOP packages (1500 entry, 500 cash.) 3rd-5th get a little cash.(Sorry about not using the converter - hand is from Full Tilt.)hawkeyelax13 - SBkev19 - BBRifle33 - UTGklugman - UTG+1LzyLightning - MP1donnievegas - MP2me - MP3PrecoiusRoy - COTheDel - ButtonI am dealt [Q:heart: Q:spade: ]- Rifle33 calls 30- klugman folds- LzyLightning folds- donnievegas calls 30- I raise - PreciousRoy folds- TheDel folds- hawkeyelax13 folds- kev19 folds- Rifle33 calls 170- donnievegas calls 170(T645) Flop comes [2:diamond: 5:diamond: T:club: ]- Rifle33 bets 180- donnievegas calls 180- I raise - Rifle33 folds- donnievegas calls 1,120, and is all inI'll come in later with the rest of the hand, results, etc... What are everyone's thoughts? Too loose for the start of a tournament?

[TheIceman05 0]

Why not make a standard-sized raise here? Good players are going to put you on what you have, and only call with 2pair, a set, or KK/AA, fold in all other cases. There might be the occasional situation in which someone gonna call you with AT, but why bother? Make a standard sized raise, and if he moves in, you'll probably have to lay it down and live to fight another day. Moving in here is weak. Ice

[Mr Monkey 0]

i think its to early to be all in

[Diboss 0]

The fact that his opponent didn't raise the original flop bet suggests he's on a draw, so maybe at best we could do a small raise (to maybe T600) and check/fold if a diamond hits on the turn. If not a diamond, then an all-in/pot-sized bet is in order there. Then again, any type of player that would call an all-in here wouldn't be folding on the turn, draw or no draw, but at least this way you'd have more information on the turn. Another scary card could be an A or K on the turn, as he could have called that with overcards. Oh well, too many what ifs. I agree with the idea of a good raise and re-evaluate on the turn.

[krup24 0]

Before you post results I feels you are up against either 10 with J,Q,K,or A of diamonds. This would be the reason for the call. I'm guessing top pair with the flush draw. Q of diamonds could hit and ur meat. I say moving all in put this guys entire tourney on a draw and that's the kind of players I like. Unfortunately for you i believe the flush hit

[Guest]

I like it...You likely have the best hand, and the overbet looks like a bluff. You'll generate action from AT and KT, and I wouldn't mind racing a diamond draw either. Why put yourself in a situation with a standard sized raise, thus allowing someone to bluff at you on a diamond turn? If I'm on AT, I call the raise to 500, and have 13 outs to win the pot if I'm actually behind, which AT can't figure for certain since your standard raise would look like a continuation bluff too. (2 A's, 2 T's, and 9 diamonds on the outs, assuming a must-fold to a diamond push, which I think is clearly the case). I like taking charge of the pot here. Besides, there's already 1000 in the pot. A standard raise does nothing for pot-odds or pricing out a draw. Do you think a diamond draw is going to fold if you raise to 500? They'd be getting damn near 4 or 5-1. The only thing this raise allows you to do is fold to an A, K, T, or diamond on the turn. That's a lot weaker than the push is, IMHO. If one of the trailers is slow playing a flopped set, are you going to fold your remaining 700 chips if you make the standard raise and get played back at? Considering you'd be getting 5 or 6-1 with an overpair there, I highly doubt it. Furthermore, are you really going to lay down to an A, K, T, or diamond turn? With the pot odds, you'd be nuts. If you think you're up against slow played AA or KK, which I don't, you have to fold. If you're going to play, you have to push. Hell, even calling is better than the standard raise, though I don't recommend it. At least that way, if you lay down, you still have T1000. You can push on a non-diamond or overcard turn then too. Still, you let the draws in cheap. The standard raise is clearly the worst play of all your options. Payouts are really top-heavy here, so chip collecting early is at a premium if you can swing it. Moving in with a likely winner here is fine.

[Diboss 0]

I'm going to change and agree with the all-in here. I'm going to try to evaluate the options here, I'm a first timer doing this, so go easy:1) callA diamond will hit 20% of the time on the turn, saving you T1165 chips.An A or K (non-diamond) will hit 9% of the time, at which time you can re-evaluate, possibly saving the rest of your chips.The other 71% of the time you can push all-in, which would definitely price out the draw.2) standard raise / all-inIf he calls here, it's going to the river, as you wont have enough chips to price him out on the turn. I'm considering them as the same since it's going to the river either way if he calls.so a call is: 0.29(-T380) + 0.71(T825) = +T475that's counting as if he has either diamonds or AK and bets all-in on the turn when one hits.a raise is: (against diamond draw)0.35(-T1500) + 0.65(T2125) = +T856(against AK, no diamonds)0.25(-T1500) + 0.75(T2125) = +T1219if it's 50/50 that he has either of those, assuming he has one or the other 100% of the time, then that's (T856 +T1219) / 2 = +T1038well, if that's even remotely right then it would seem your all-in play is the most profitable against those hands. Hopefully he had one of those and you won, at least you had him covered, so even though you'd be crippled, at least you'd still be in. I think I can go for the all-in myself, but it all depends on what level of risk you're willing to undertake.If he had AA or KK or a set, well then you're just screwed.

[cdddc75 0]

I like it. Double up early or go home.PreciousRoy sucks, by the way. (sw)

[Comatose_Soul 0]

First, thanks for all the comments, there are some well thought out responses and I totally dig that! After the flop, I was relatively confident my hand was good. I thought if donnie had caught trips, or had an over pair he would raise up Rifle. At this point I did not want anyone to out draw me. I really did want to push them out, which is what resulted in my all-in move. I could have bumped it up to a pot sized raise, but even then I'm practically commited to the hand with ~T375 left. I could have done a weak raise, but then a strong player could steal the pot from me.I could cold call, giving a free card to anyone on a draw. In this specific hand maybe the second five would have been enough to push donnie out (not sure.) Anyways, I'm jumping ahead - here is the rest of the story...Board reads [2:diamond: 5:diamond: T:club: ]- I show [Q:heart: Q:spade: ]- donnievegas shows [T:diamond: K:diamond: ]- Uncalled bet of 75 returned to me(T3500) The turn is [5 ]....(T3500) The river is [K:spade: ]- I show two pair, Queens and Fives- donnievegas shows two pair, Kings and Tens- donnievegas wins the pot (3,425) with two pair, Kings and TensI was a little disappointed with the pre-flop call, but thats cool. I'm down huge at this point (T75) position 177 of 177 left, or something like that Somehow though I manage to stay calm, and eventually I get back up to around T1300 after the first break. I've been playing pretty solid, and even though I'm relatively short stacked I'm happy with where I'm at. Obviously I have to make some moves still, and I get my opportunity when I'm dealt AKo. I wind up all-in with one other player and a pot over T3000. I'm still feeling good, until my opponent spikes a heart on the river to turn his king high (K:heart: 3:heart:) into a king high flush. I was still happy with my finish, I wound up going from 177th to finishing 59th, with a measly T75! (I outlased donnievegas too which soften the pain of finishing so far from the monies :-) )Surviving was pure patience, and nothing else. Several times I was dealt King high, or J10 off and had to muck it. Once I even had to muck 7s. I managed to pick the right spots to make moves, and was able to walk away from the tournament feeling good about my short-stack play. (I did muck a middle pocket pair once during this run where I would have pulled in a very nice pot. Maybe I was playing too tight, and a hand or two looser could have pushed me up closer to a money finish - who knows )

[krup24 0]

Isn't it amazing that every time you just want the player to fold they have top pair and a flush draw. I've seen it hundreds and hundreds of times. If he knew you had QQ it may not even have stopped him. When that crap happens to me I just type in the chat.QQ here if you got it beat call.Sometimes it works lol and sometimes I lie and that also works.

[Diboss 0]

That was rough, nice job making a comeback though. Honestly, he actually had more equity in that pot than you did after that flop, so If you told me you had QQ, easy call.

[Pokerdad2222 0]

That was rough, nice job making a comeback though. Honestly, he actually had more equity in that pot than you did after that flop, so If you told me you had QQ, easy call.

Why is this???

[Comatose_Soul 0]

That was rough, nice job making a comeback though. Honestly, he actually had more equity in that pot than you did after that flop, so If you told me you had QQ, easy call.

Why is this???

The guy with K10d is a 51% favorite post flop.

[krup24 0]

In this situation you should've told him you had KK now your the favorite. 52-48. No one lays down a high flush draw online. When you see that u hit top pair, high kicker, and flush draw all in and you'll win.