ObeyTheDog 0 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 NNB never tried to hard sell you guys. He's just seeing how money can be made on the side while sharing some of what he has learned. If anything, that makes it more real and less flash.In my lifetime, I have paid over $100/hour for Razz coaching and heads up no limit coaching. It was some of the best money I ever spent on training. I have good friends who have paid for coaching and benefited immensely, perhaps even making the difference. Sometimes, you never know how you'll go from point A to point B in poker. We all have gaps in our game and while they often can be filled with practice and experience, sometimes, nothing seems to work until you have that "a-ha" moment. I'm not saying this training is it for any of you, but for me, I wouldn't be anywhere without having smarter, more talented people showing me the way. I owe those people my house and probably a lot more and it only required minimal investment at best.That being said, I believe in professionalism and whenever I charged someone for my time, I thought it appropriate to set a schedule, develop lesson plans (like a true nerd teacher), and take the time to learn my customer's wants. Sometimes I did it for free and others paid. Just because it's for money doesn't make it wrong or shady. My time was valuable (notice "was"...marriage) and if I was going to take time to listen and teach, I needed to be paid. I had a friend who started charging $100/hour for heads up coaching...soon moved to $150/$200 because he had too many clients. He had to keep raising it so he could reduce the amount of clients to a manageable level, not because of greed. If you gave maserati's away for free, how many would we see on the road? If he doesn't deliver on the value for people's money, he knows that his customers from FCP will surely let people on here know about it, so what's the real risk? That's what I learned. Give it away for free and rarely will anyone complain. Charge for it and you better damn well be worth it or people will critique your every move and cry foul. What is he abusing? Nothing. so yeah, lol @ these responses.Now if NNB had a better agent and business manager, we could develop some interesting propositions and sell this baby like the Sham-wow and Snuggie!!! It's a blanket....WITH SLEEVES! Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 OH NO HE"S CHARGING MONEY.. AND I HAS NO MONIES.... BAN! Link to post Share on other sites
pocktdeuces 0 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 figure i might as throw in my .02 about this.i dont see why people have such an issue with a respected/good player advertising on here looking for students. so what if hes charging money for this? someone as experienced and expert at NLHE mtts should be getting paid for their knowledge. its to be expected as far as im concerned. Mike is an excellent poker thinker, and if he puts the time into it, he will be a very good coach. im sure he wont charge an obscene amount, at least at first, because he is inexperienced with coaching, and will have to learn some about that. but he is someone that if i was looking for mtt coaching, i would be willing to pay him a large sum of money. anyways, gl Mike with the coaching, i hope it works out well for everyone.Jesse Link to post Share on other sites
Pivvy2001 0 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Just because it's for money doesn't make it wrong or shady. My time was valuable (notice "was"...marriage) and if I was going to take time to listen and teach, I needed to be paid. I had a friend who started charging $100/hour for heads up coaching...soon moved to $150/$200 because he had too many clients. He had to keep raising it so he could reduce the amount of clients to a manageable level, not because of greed. If you gave maserati's away for free, how many would we see on the road? If he doesn't deliver on the value for people's money, he knows that his customers from FCP will surely let people on here know about it, so what's the real risk? That's what I learned. Give it away for free and rarely will anyone complain. Charge for it and you better damn well be worth it or people will critique your every move and cry foul.I agree with everything you said, except for the bold. Your friend obviously could have chose to cut clients, refuse to accept new clients or to limit his teaching hours and let his clients adapt. He raised prices because he could make more money. It could have been greed or just reflected the market, but it is a fallacy to suggest he had to.I do agree though that NNB will have to produce results to keep this going. Similarly, Steve has clearly done a great job as evidenced by his former students' endorsements and the market for his services. Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I agree with everything you said, except for the bold. Your friend obviously could have chose to cut clients, refuse to accept new clients or to limit his teaching hours and let his clients adapt. He raised prices because he could make more money. It could have been greed or just reflected the market, but it is a fallacy to suggest he had to.I do agree though that NNB will have to produce results to keep this going. Similarly, Steve has clearly done a great job as evidenced by his former students' endorsements and the market for his services.ITS CALLED MOTHER ****ING CAPITALISM???? WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE????? FFS. Link to post Share on other sites
Pivvy2001 0 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 ITS CALLED MOTHER ****ING CAPITALISM???? WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE????? FFS.ummmmm, I support him charging as much as possible and I fully encourage him to do sosorry if my post confused youI was just saying that to suggest he HAD to charge the max he could is illusory. Don't get me wrong, I charge by the hour at my job and my rates maximize what the market will bear. I support that fully. I would just never suggest that I HAVE to charge.My point was that he just has to deliver. THAT is the point of MOTHER ****ING CAPITALISM. That you can get what the market will bear. If he doesn't perform the market will bear less. But nothing I have written is anything but a statement that I support NNB's program and wish him and his students all the best. Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 ummmmm, I support him charging as much as possible and I fully encourage him to do sosorry if my post confused youI was just saying that to suggest he HAD to charge the max he could is illusory. Don't get me wrong, I charge by the hour at my job and my rates maximize what the market will bear. I support that fully. I would just never suggest that I HAVE to charge.My point was that he just has to deliver. THAT is the point of MOTHER ****ING CAPITALISM. That you can get what the market will bear. If he doesn't perform the market will bear less. But nothing I have written is anything but a statement that I support NNB's program and wish him and his students all the best.meh misunderstood i guess... sry Link to post Share on other sites
Pivvy2001 0 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 meh misunderstood i guess... sryno worries Link to post Share on other sites
WhatArunAA 0 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I want little minions Link to post Share on other sites
aggie3 0 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I want to be a minion!! Link to post Share on other sites
bigcoled 1 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I want little minionsYou can be like a warlock on world of warcraft... I'm nerd... I hear nerds make good minions tho Link to post Share on other sites
mbreon 0 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I want little minionsWhatABaxter training program? Link to post Share on other sites
zoo 0 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 No not baxter, what are your screen names on Full Tilt and Poker Stars?Ok, I'll answer myself. You are 'no not baxter' on Fultilt and 'moneyinbag' on Pokerstars, correct?If so, your MTT numbers on OPR aren't exactly impressive. In fact, if you take away your $40k score in June of last year, you are an overall loser at MTTs. Even with that score I think you would be marginally profitable over the 3 years that are tracked. What exactly will you be teaching your students? Link to post Share on other sites
Tehtoe 3 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 lolololollollolothis should end well Link to post Share on other sites
Gallo 1 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Ok, I'll answer myself. You are 'no not baxter' on Fultilt and 'moneyinbag' on Pokerstars, correct?If so, your MTT numbers on OPR aren't exactly impressive. In fact, if you take away your $40k score in June of last year, you are an overall loser at MTTs. Even with that score I think you would be marginally profitable over the 3 years that are tracked. What exactly will you be teaching your students?ZOMG!!!looooooooooooooooooooooooolhahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!WoW!!!This is gonna be good.*anxiouslyawaitsnnbandeveryoneelsethatisclosetohimtospeakuponhisbehalf* Link to post Share on other sites
no not baxter 0 Posted February 25, 2009 Author Share Posted February 25, 2009 Ok, I'll answer myself. You are 'no not baxter' on Fultilt and 'moneyinbag' on Pokerstars, correct?If so, your MTT numbers on OPR aren't exactly impressive. In fact, if you take away your $40k score in June of last year, you are an overall loser at MTTs. Even with that score I think you would be marginally profitable over the 3 years that are tracked. What exactly will you be teaching your students?sigh, variance :(but ya those are my names...I mean if you want, go pay 10k to live with ari and the maven for a week. Their results are way better than mine....My whole plan should be up within the next half hour, if ur not interested, oh well...it is a great deal and is going to be much cheaper for the first group of students because this is my first time coaching. Link to post Share on other sites
Gallo 1 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Uh oh6 User(s) are reading this topic (2 Guests and 1 Anonymous Users)3 Members: no not baxter, Mercury69, jdrury12 Link to post Share on other sites
no not baxter 0 Posted February 25, 2009 Author Share Posted February 25, 2009 ZOMG!!!looooooooooooooooooooooooolhahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!WoW!!!This is gonna be good.*anxiouslyawaitsnnbandeveryoneelsethatisclosetohimtospeakuponhisbehalf*meh, w/e dude just doesnt understand variance and that i dont put in much volume Link to post Share on other sites
GeneralGeeWhiz 0 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 lolololollollolothis should end well+1it's on like Donkey Kong Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 NNB, GrinderMJ, TJ et al all have had much success and have earned it, imo. I'd suck at least a quarter mile of **** for some quality coaching from any of these guys... Link to post Share on other sites
James D 0 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 +1it's on like Donkey KongI think it's been asked before, but I don't remember seeing an answer... who is that in your sig? Link to post Share on other sites
Tehtoe 3 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I think it's been asked before, but I don't remember seeing an answer... who is that in your sig?Shay Laren Link to post Share on other sites
Gallo 1 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 NNB, GrinderMJ, TJ et al all have had much success and have earned it, imo. I'd suck at least a quarter mile of **** for some quality coaching from any of these guys... Phew, I'm glad I didn't have to!! Link to post Share on other sites
James D 0 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Shay LarenThx! Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 An entire quarter mile? Link to post Share on other sites
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