Hsp Season 5

[Snamuh 0]

I don't see how it was bad. I think if DN raises that flop that it would have to send warning signals to Eastgate. I mean, it seems that PE was a pretty tight player, plus he raised from the SB. So he HAS to have a huge hand there. AA, KK, QQ, AK. I mean DN even said if PE would've raised/shoved then DN would've folded.

Gallo, you are new to cash games so this will be a solid conversation! What range of hands would you put a limp/caller (button) when they raise a Kh2h2x flop. It's so incredibly rare for someone to have 2x in their hand, and most would not expect J2s to be in someone's range. AA/KK/QQ/AK don't make much sense. Even KQ doesn't make sense as DN surely would have raised that on the button. It could be a weak king (though I'd hate the raise but I don't know if Eastgate will perceive a hand like KT as in DN's flop raising range). It could be like A2 or some random 2x hand. The most likely type of hand would seem to be a flush draw.Eastgate's raising range is very strong when he raises out of the blinds there. He's going to be very reluctant to fold a hand like AK/AA. KK would be a cooler and is very unlikely for obvious reasons. Something like QQ/AQ, we aren't going to be getting much value out of anyways (and he may even call a raise with QQ if he considers that DN has a flush draw a fair portion of the time). The simple fact is that this board isn't a board that hits many hands, so someone isn't going to be getting a lot of credit when they raise.If it is that transparent that a single raise would send warning signals to Eastgate, then DN should be raising more hands in general.

[Snamuh 0]

Is Eastgate's call with the A6 really that bad? If he raises will Durrr rly pay him off? I know Durrr is claiming he obviously would have, but would he really have actually called? It would make sense for Durrr to sell the idea that he definitely would have called, but I genuinely he would fold the 67 in that spot.Thoughts?

I agree, I don't think it was bad. Also the way Durrr kept betting he could've easily had Eastgate beat there. I don't see a problem with the way Eastgate played that hand. It was a drawy board and Dwan could've boated up or had a straight.

I can't understand how anyone thinks he's bad after seeing 5 hands-ish. I think the A6 hand is pretty much standard. DN's J2 hand was about 9.8 times worse than any play PE made/didn't make.

Durrr is like 99% calling a raise. I have no idea how a raise does not go in on the turn or river.I agree for the most part with GWC's comment that DN's J2 hand was a lot worse (and Eli's play is like 100x worse), but not raising the turn or river was pretty bad. Some of you guys aren't looking at how ranges should be adjusted vs certain players. A raise might not be standard vs some players at the table but durrr is going to be playing around 40% of the hands and is going to be generating a lot more action than most.

[dna4ever 2]

Durrr is like 99% calling a raise. I have no idea how a raise does not go in on the turn or river.

really?

[Balloon guy 158]

I have'nt watched the full episode yet, but that first XXXXXXX hand was horrible, and I remember him saying that he has lost a lot of money playing high stakes cash. No doubt hes a good tourney player though, but hes proabably a high stakes fish.

Insert most tournament players names here

[Gallo 1]

Gallo, you are new to cash games so this will be a solid conversation! What range of hands would you put a limp/caller (button) when they raise a Kh2h2x flop. It's so incredibly rare for someone to have 2x in their hand, and most would not expect J2s to be in someone's range. AA/KK/QQ/AK don't make much sense. Even KQ doesn't make sense as DN surely would have raised that on the button. It could be a weak king (though I'd hate the raise but I don't know if Eastgate will perceive a hand like KT as in DN's flop raising range). It could be like A2 or some random 2x hand. The most likely type of hand would seem to be a flush draw.Eastgate's raising range is very strong when he raises out of the blinds there. He's going to be very reluctant to fold a hand like AK/AA. KK would be a cooler and is very unlikely for obvious reasons. Something like QQ/AQ, we aren't going to be getting much value out of anyways (and he may even call a raise with QQ if he considers that DN has a flush draw a fair portion of the time). The simple fact is that this board isn't a board that hits many hands, so someone isn't going to be getting a lot of credit when they raise.If it is that transparent that a single raise would send warning signals to Eastgate, then DN should be raising more hands in general.

Limp/caller is not just some random, and I think that is key, especially in this game. We know that DN's range is wide, usually small connectors, 1 gappers and suited cards. He will especially play alot of hands OTB and against new players. I'm not saying that J2 should be in his range but there are certainly quite a few holdings that DN could have OTB that contain a 2. If DN had KQ, KJ, KT, I don't think DN would EVER raise the flop against Eastgate. It's like you said, Eastgate had to be very strong to raise from the blinds, which is why I think DN gets more action by just c/c'ing the flop. Once Eastgate bets the turn, DN KNOWS that he has Eastgate on the hook. Remember that earlier, Eastgate didn't fire the turn against Dwan, but here he does. And I think if DN raises the turn here it will certainly kill any action. The only hand DN is probably worried about is KK, so he's going to try and get what he can out of Eastgate. DN also has position here which is big as well, he can call all the way down allowing Eastgate to bet the whole way and then repopping the river. And DN said, if Eastgate r/r the river he would almost certainly fold.I probably have more to add, but at work so... Oh and as far as someone rarely calling a raise with a 2 in their hand you should probably visit Chicago one time for the home games.

[Gallo 1]

Also want to add that I think if Ace falls on the river that DN would NOT have raised. By the turn DN put Eastgate on either AK or AA. On the turn, Eastgate's bet was more of a protection bet rather than a value bet. Eastgate was betting to protect his hand, not to extract value if he had KK. So once that river hit, I'm pretty sure DN was positive he was ahead and the only card he probably didn't want to see was an Ace.Also, not really sure, but I don't think DN would've called Eastgate's PF raise with KQ.

[gooch 0]

god i love this show

[AimHigher 0]

For those who missed it on GSN, it's available on bit torrent in high quality. Took about 15 minutes to download.

[silkyjonson 1]

People that are defending Eastgate, take into consideration that in order to thrive in a poker environment you have to be confident and relaxed to play at your best. He is most likely an amazing tournament player, but when you take him out of that element and throw him on a table with players used to having 200k+ stacks in front of them he very well may be a fish. Transitioning from cash to tournaments is one thing, but having really deep stakes of real money especially live vs some of the best players in the world its easy to look like the fish. I mean does anyone think Eastgate looked relaxed? Do you think he was thinking on a high level? Most of those players built rolls by beating high stakes cash so they have logged plenty of hours and beaten the games over time, I'm assuming Eastgate has not so its not safe to assume that because he is a good tournament (not a huge sample there either but givig him benefit of the doubt) player that translates into beating high stakes cash games vs solid lineups (online high stakes are probably even tougher)

[looshle 6]

1) Eastgate shouldn't raise the river with the A6, Durr should not be calling. Eastgate has to worry about durr flopping 2 pair or a straight and filling up. I dont think Durr can profitably call a raise with a 6 with a 7 kicker, or almost any kicker for that matter.2) DN raising the flop looks less like a king than flatting imo.

[mase_gotsem 0]

I don't really like the flat by Eastgate either. It seems to me that the only thing you are worried about is the boat. Since it is against Durr and his style of play why not raise. If he beats you then fine ... but I think a large percentage of the time you have the best of it. There are only a few good hands that you get and you HAVE to maximize the value on those types of hands. If not then you are just playing to break even.

i think he read durr as very strong maybe he has a tell he was going with i mean durr thought he was way ahead and maybe set off some whistles in eastgates head . i think the only misplay there was not re raising the turn and why no sammy " are u cereus " farha ???

[Snake Plissken 0]

<<<< loves da high stakes pokah!

[GWCGWC 83]

People that are defending Eastgate, take into consideration that in order to thrive in a poker environment you have to be confident and relaxed to play at your best. He is most likely an amazing tournament player, but when you take him out of that element and throw him on a table with players used to having 200k+ stacks in front of them he very well may be a fish. Transitioning from cash to tournaments is on thing, but having really deep stakes of real money especially live vs some of the best players in the world its easy to look like the fish. I mean does anyone think Eastgate looked relaxed? Do you think he was thinking on a high level? Most of those players built rolls by beating high stakes cash so they have logged plenty of hours and beaten the games over time, I'm assuming Eastgate has not so its not safe to assume that because he is a good tournament (not a huge sample there either but givig him benefit of the doubt) player that translates into beating high stakes cash games vs solid lineups (online high stakes are probably even tougher)

Eastgate seems to know a little bit about this poker thing. How many donkey's raise the A6 hand and get stacked? It's happened to every single one of us and to raise that river is bad. How many donkey's call DN's river raise not realizing their hand is now only a bluff catcher. We've all done it and caught a bluff but more often than not, paid off a better hand. How much do you know of PE's higher stakes online or live experience? It may be best not to assume he's strictly an mtt player. jsoh, and the brow furrowing thing can be misleading.

[Gallo 1]

i think he read durr as very strong maybe he has a tell he was going with i mean durr thought he was way ahead and maybe set off some whistles in eastgates head . i think the only misplay there was not re raising the turn and why no sammy " are u cereus " farha ???

I don't know if PE can raise the turn there. What does PE do if he raises the turn and then gets repopped? PE obviously has to fold now. Maybe it's just me, but I really don't mind the way Eastgate played that hand. With that flop there are sooooooo many holdings that Dwan could have that are beating Eastgate. And if PE raises PE could possibly get pushed off the hand and will never know if Dwan had him. I think c/c'ing is less riskier. And as we saw, there was no way that Dwan put PE on a bigger 6.

[mase_gotsem 0]

i agree totally that he played the hand fine that board vs durr is very scary but i dont mind getting it in on the turn there becouse hes got so many pair + draws there everytime

[gfdsa146 0]

What godamn channel is this showing on??

[gfdsa146 0]

EPISODE 1 ONLINE RIGHT NOWhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0llxnthUMo

This video is private, youtube won't let me watch it!!

[Jam-Fly 8]

Yeah, I rly think Eastgate's call on the river is fine.DN played the hand find imo, he represented a flush draw. It was a good fold by Eastgate on the river, who is to say Negreanu didn't have 5h6h there? If he raises flop, Eastgate prob calls. On the turn, it probably goes check-fold.If he raises on the turn, can Eastgate call? From Eastgate's perspective, if DN had a flush draw, he'd either raise the flop, or after calling on flop, would probs flat call on turn also.So, if DN raises flop, he gets one raise on the flop. If he raises turn, he guarentees no action. If he flat calls on turn, he has the possibility of extracting more on the river.

[All_In 0]

HSP is a pretty damn good show. I really think it would AWESOME if they'd actually let us hear what the players are talking about. I can't stand when they comment right in the middle of a story with some useless drivel.Dan

looks like they still like the sound of their voices and their crappy stories/jokes...they kept interrupting BG...

[All_In 0]

They're rerunning it right now. I just hate that they only show like 2 hands and then go to break.

that's what torrents are for!!

[gfdsa146 0]

that's what torrents are for!!

You found a torrent for the 1st episode? Share plz

[Gallo 1]

that's what torrents are for!!

What I meant really is that we really don't get to see many hands throughout the whole episode.

[Gallo 1]

Gallo, you are new to cash games so this will be a solid conversation! What range of hands would you put a limp/caller (button) when they raise a Kh2h2x flop. It's so incredibly rare for someone to have 2x in their hand, and most would not expect J2s to be in someone's range. AA/KK/QQ/AK don't make much sense. Even KQ doesn't make sense as DN surely would have raised that on the button. It could be a weak king (though I'd hate the raise but I don't know if Eastgate will perceive a hand like KT as in DN's flop raising range). It could be like A2 or some random 2x hand. The most likely type of hand would seem to be a flush draw.Eastgate's raising range is very strong when he raises out of the blinds there. He's going to be very reluctant to fold a hand like AK/AA. KK would be a cooler and is very unlikely for obvious reasons. Something like QQ/AQ, we aren't going to be getting much value out of anyways (and he may even call a raise with QQ if he considers that DN has a flush draw a fair portion of the time). The simple fact is that this board isn't a board that hits many hands, so someone isn't going to be getting a lot of credit when they raise.If it is that transparent that a single raise would send warning signals to Eastgate, then DN should be raising more hands in general.

Did you mean this in a good way or in a sarcastic kind of way?

[I_fold08 1]

serenity now

[Snamuh 0]

Did you mean this in a good way or in a sarcastic kind of way?

Good way because you made that post in the Challenge thread a few days ago.