keith crime 8 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 What percentage of votes will he get?I'm thinking like 30% now as hard as that seems to believeWhen I was at the WSOP 2007 i argued with that dude Gary Wise - he said there was no way in hell that Chipper Jones would get into the Hall before BarryI disagreed and now sort of feel like my side is a lock. Link to post Share on other sites
slink 1 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I think it could be shockingly lower than that. The writers will probably want to make a statement, I mean he has been a bit of an ass toward them, and there was that minor problem with Balco.If it was up to me I'd vote for him, steroids be damned. If an athlete wants to take the steroids why should we care. We go to see hitting, not pitching. It's for my entertainment, their bodies be damned. Link to post Share on other sites
El Guapo 8 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 15% would be my guess with no basis for coming up with that percentage. Link to post Share on other sites
3A 0 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I put it around 19%, which would be slightly lower then McGuire. Generally I feel like the voters would want to make a statement also, but for how long... The only real statement would be if a voter were to vote no the whole way. If this is purely a steriod issue to those voters then vote every steriod user the same way.I personally would vote Bonds in 1st ballot. His numbers when he was on the Pirates were incredible, he was much more of an all around player back then. He was still an MVP before he bulked up also. I am really still puzzled by why players aren't getting the votes. Steriods weren't illegal in baseball before then, lies or no lies, they still put of the stats under the rules that were in place at the time. They want to look good publically so they deny steriod use, so what? Are they the 1st people to do things that were questionable? Definitely not, nothing in the history of baseball will ever be equal. What kinda stats would some of the great pitchers of today put up if the mounds were higher again or if the baseballs had largers stiches back on them so there was more ball movement?Does someone who commits domectic violence shafted from the Hall of Fame? I just don't agree with these people not being put in the Hall of Fame. I am a fan of the game, not the biggest fan and maybe thats just it, I am a very casual fan who gets more interested because of fantasy sports. Pete Rose, no brain HOF member. 100% He broke the rules, it took him a very long time to admit to it and many fans forgave him for it. Is it gonna take getting Selig out of office to right this wrong? At some point 60 years from now when players like Bons, McGuire, Clemens and Sosa aren't in the HOF when are people going to wake up and say "You know what this is our history, good or bad this is something the future generations deserve t know about."Maybe the fans are getting cheated and not just because their favotire players took steriods. No one stepped forward and protected the players until 2003 when they decided to do an anonymous drug test, which didn't end up being anonymous. We are also getting cheated because we paid to watch these games of our favotire players and we are the ones being cheated to not see that history recorded. Maybe every St. Louis Cardinal fan and Oakland Athletic fan from the time the Bash Brothers played ball till their respective retirements should get their money back for every single game they invested in a league that is now not going to recognize the accolades of these players. The league protected these players for so long to help the bottom line, the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Now its time to admit t o the public that you are partially at fault Bud Selig. You fostered this behavior and now you have to man up and just maybe gain some respect from the public that we are willing to give back to Alex Rodriguez for admitting he fu**ed up.Are players from the prohibition ERA who drank alcohol banned from the HOF? No, so why this holier then thou attitude? They were part of the history of baseball we have embraced. We are not advocating for people to take steriods if we put them in the HOF. We are educating them of history. In history books we write about the Holocaust, the A-bombs in Hiroshima; we don't advocate to do these things again, we are educating people on past mistakes. We still embrace some of our war heros from that time period even if they made hard decisions that not all of us would make, the fact is baseball players aren't perfect either. People are embarrassed for past transgressions and not quick to man up to them. These rare people who do, no matter how long it takes have made it in my book. Pete Rose for years and years denied gambling on baseball, but eventually he did. Does he deserve a free pass? No. Does he deserve a chance? Yes.In closing and again to the main topic at hand... Barry Bonds is a 1st Year of HOF lock. I would vote him in... in a hearbeat and I don't like him at all. He was a baller, plain and simple. We are voting on merit right? Or is the HOF a character vote? Barry Bonds character has been an issue for years and years. Eventually he will get in just like, Rose will and Clemens. Other players I'm just not as sold on; McGuire was a power hitter for sure, but his whole career for being allegedly on steriods is a very borderline HOF member. Link to post Share on other sites
GeneralGeeWhiz 0 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 This might sound crazy, but he will get more than you guys think. I'm going to say nowhere above 40%. The sad thing is that Barry was a HOF player before roids, and he isn't after. :/Edit: I will always love Barry because he played on the Giants when I was age 7-22. Really sad. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I agree about the voters wanting to make a statement his first year. I honestly have no clue if he'll ever get in, but I'm imagining he gets like 15% his first year, maybe less. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 anything less than 75% and we should just close the hall of fame. this guy was the best player in the NL year in year out even when he was tiny. He holds the most revered baseball record.so, naturally, the writers will make their statement and if I had to guess 40-50% sounds about right and the baseball hall of fame will continue to become more about who is not in there than who is and more important as a vehicle to punish cheaters than as a celebration of achievement. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 He holds the most revered baseball record.Yeah but with a huge invisible asterisk next to it. Hank Aaron's achievement seems much much more impressive than Barry's. so, naturally, the writers will make their statement and if I had to guess 40-50% sounds about right and the baseball hall of fame will continue to become more about who is not in there than who is and more important as a vehicle to punish cheaters than as a celebration of achievement.Interesting point. Link to post Share on other sites
TB17 0 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 anything under 40% and it's a travesty Link to post Share on other sites
aadams_22 3 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 anything under 40% and it's a travestywell, I'd prepare for that travestyyes, he was a Hall of Famer before he started juicing...however he's still seen as nothing more than a cheater Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I see him getting about 50% of the vote his first year subject to change as new evidence is revealed. Link to post Share on other sites
miamicanes 0 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 with no real way to say for sure who did roids and who didnt I say let them all in. a simple line on their plaque saying so and so tested positive for roids would be fine with me. I mean ffs pete rose cant even get into the hof.that being said bonds has always been a douche. hope he gets an incurable std Link to post Share on other sites
king1305 0 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 anything less than 75% and we should just close the hall of fame. this guy was the best player in the NL year in year out even when he was tiny. He holds the most revered baseball record.so, naturally, the writers will make their statement and if I had to guess 40-50% sounds about right and the baseball hall of fame will continue to become more about who is not in there than who is and more important as a vehicle to punish cheaters than as a celebration of achievement. anything under 40% and it's a travestyThis. He is still a first ballot Hall of Famer. period. Link to post Share on other sites
rivergirl 2 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I'd say he might get 20% his first crack, definately no more. The whole thing is way too much of a catastrophe and just wouldn't be right to let him in on his first ballot. Link to post Share on other sites
AdamDarv 0 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 This. He is still a first ballot Hall of Famer. period.Agree - 1st ballot HOFThe entire Hall of Fame discussion is really ridiculous. I mean why does a player need to be voted into the HOF to validate their career ? Bonds like other great players of their respective ERA's were feared and respected by their peers for the onfield performance and that in itself is enough. Pete Rose is a HOFer as is Bonds, Sosa, Clemens, Palmerio and all the others of the PED time frame. Who cares what the baseball writers think and feel ? They don't play and they don't pay - the game is for the fans and the memories that it creates from when we were kids going to the games with our friends and families to when we became parents and took our own kids. The way the writers feel the need to protect the hall is a joke, when it takes Jim Rice 15 tries to get elected makes no sense at all. No one is ever going to confuse Jim Rice with Ted Williams, but he still was one of the best hitters of his generation and deserved a place in the HOF. If a player deserves election in they should get in - simple as that. They should have been amongst the top players at their positions over the course of their playing career. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted March 3, 2009 Author Share Posted March 3, 2009 Agree - 1st ballot HOFThe entire Hall of Fame discussion is really ridiculous. I mean why does a player need to be voted into the HOF to validate their career ? Bonds like other great players of their respective ERA's were feared and respected by their peers for the onfield performance and that in itself is enough. Pete Rose is a HOFer as is Bonds, Sosa, Clemens, Palmerio and all the others of the PED time frame. Who cares what the baseball writers think and feel ? They don't play and they don't pay - the game is for the fans and the memories that it creates from when we were kids going to the games with our friends and families to when we became parents and took our own kids. The way the writers feel the need to protect the hall is a joke, when it takes Jim Rice 15 tries to get elected makes no sense at all. No one is ever going to confuse Jim Rice with Ted Williams, but he still was one of the best hitters of his generation and deserved a place in the HOF. If a player deserves election in they should get in - simple as that. They should have been amongst the top players at their positions over the course of their playing career.ask Pete Rose if he doesn't care - he'd kill to get in Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Bonds should get in.Rose should be in.24% is my random guess. Link to post Share on other sites
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