Combo Draw From The Button

[Al Smooth 0]

First table of the triple shootout. Four people left at the table, blinds at 100-200/25SB (Laggy)- 15000BB (old eastern Euro)- 8100UTG (weaktight)- 5900Hero - 11000UTG raises to 600, we call with A5hh and both blinds also callPot 2500Flop 10JK with 2 heartsSB checks, BB cchecks, preflop raiser bets 1000Pot 3500What's the best line from this point in the hand?

[MovingIn 0]

Who here likes a raise to set up a bluff if we miss our NFD+Gutshot, and who here doesn't mind calling with our NFD+Gutshot?

[Al Smooth 0]

I personally don't like the 3 bet pre in this specific situation. I'd personally rather see a flop in position against players who aren't very good at all. It's a different scenario if the table was full, but 4 handed here, I'd rather not get 4 bet shoved on pre and just spew 1500-2000 chips. If I'm going to spew, it's only going to be 600 at a time. lolAnyway, from this point in the hand...Calling puts the pot at 4500 with two checkers still to act. We can re-eval and make a decision if either one of them raises. A raise mathmatically commits us here imo, and I guess the question is...is it the right thing to do long term?

[Footballguru 0]

I feel like this is definitely a good situation. However, I am not looking to (called) all in on the flop. Because of our position on the button I think a cal is best here. There is a good chance that one of the blinds wants to push here, so if we call we only lose the 1k, or can make a math decision based on the push. If they both fold we might get a scared check on the turn from the weak tight and fire out 2k to take it down regardless of if a heart comes or not.

[mk 11]

i mean, really what are you repping if you raise here and what do you expect to fold out? you have position on everyone, i'd just call and re-eval. giving blinds odds to call with a wide range isn't really bad since you don't mind them hanging around, your hand isn't made yet....that said, it's winner-take-all and you certainly wouldn't be too upset getting it in. if one of the blinds c/r a bet and a call you have a pretty interesting decision...

[Gallo 1]

I'd probably raise/shove. A raise also looks stronger than a shove. You'd be down to about 5000 if UTG calls and you lose, which isn't a bad stack and it's shorthanded.My thing is that when we call with Ax suited, we are looking to hit flops like these, yet we always ask what we should do, I've done it myself. I mean, if we're calling with this hand then we are calling with it for a reason. I mean we don't call with A-rag suited in hopes of hitting an Ace. Basically my chips are going in the middle.

[dizzlerock 0]

I'd probably raise/shove. A raise also looks stronger than a shove. You'd be down to about 5000 if UTG calls and you lose, which isn't a bad stack and it's shorthanded.My thing is that when we call with Ax suited, we are looking to hit flops like these, yet we always ask what we should do, I've done it myself. I mean, if we're calling with this hand then we are calling with it for a reason. I mean we don't call with A-rag suited in hopes of hitting an Ace. Basically my chips are going in the middle.

agreed. i really dont think we get away from this hand and if we call this flop hits so many hands that might fold to a raise/shove. isnt almost always better to be raising off or money than calling off our money.

[looshle 6]

Pretty tough spot, I think best line might be flat the flop, if anyone else raises behind you get it in, and fold to a turn barrel (unless it's pretty small) if you see turn HU vs preflop raiser.

[looshle 6]

Who here likes a raise to set up a bluff if we miss our NFD+Gutshot, and who here doesn't mind calling with our NFD+Gutshot?

I'd like to hear the line you would take to raise and set a bluff up if we miss, including bet sizes.

[Mercury69 3]

I see two lines:Flat call and see what SB/BB does and likely call behind with an iso shove optionReraise to about 4K and call a shove......I tend to be optomistic :-)

[MovingIn 0]

I'd like to hear the line you would take to raise and set a bluff up if we miss, including bet sizes.

Both ideas were simply suggestions off the top of my head. I'm not sure myself about this spot so I threw them out there.

[BeaverStyle 1]

Who here likes a raise to set up a bluff if we miss our NFD+Gutshot, and who here doesn't mind calling with our NFD+Gutshot?

Pretty sure stacks are too shallow here to raise flop to set up a turn bluff (if we miss our draw).I probably call flop and fold turn U/I. If someone c/r's, I don't know what I would do. We still have 9400 if we fold to a C/r, M~23, but we have 13 outs to the nuts. I suppose calling (and getting all our money in on the flop) > folding on flop, I don't know if it's close though, or would be considered standard or gambling to get our stack in on the flop.

[DonkSlayer 1]

I think flat call is best ainec. If we go with hero's reads, we're not ahead here, but have a very good drawing hand...weaktight raises PF and then leads without much of a stack (I know it was a small bet), I don't put him on 10h8h here. I'd be surprised if we get repoppped from the blinds and would be so very, very surprised if it was done by worse than a flopped set or straight to the point that I'm fine with folding then. Unless you meant "dumbazz spewtard" by SB's "lag" label, he would've led with a better hand than us on the flop. I feel that euro would lead out with a better hand than us more often than looking for a c/r as well, given his stack and weak-tight's propensity for folding. HIJACK:One of the blinds calls and turn bricks big-time. Both blind AND weak-tight check to us. Our move?

[looshle 6]

I think flat call is best ainec. If we go with hero's reads, we're not ahead here, but have a very good drawing hand...weaktight raises PF and then leads without much of a stack (I know it was a small bet), I don't put him on 10h8h here. I'd be surprised if we get repoppped from the blinds and would be so very, very surprised if it was done by worse than a flopped set or straight to the point that I'm fine with folding then. Unless you meant "dumbazz spewtard" by SB's "lag" label, he would've led with a better hand than us on the flop. I feel that euro would lead out with a better hand than us more often than looking for a c/r as well, given his stack and weak-tight's propensity for folding. HIJACK:One of the blinds calls and turn bricks big-time. Both blind AND weak-tight check to us. Our move?

It's pretty obvious that UTG is almost never folding here. If one of the blinds pops it, we will then have enough equity to stick it in.

[MaxStPolish 4]

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[DonkSlayer 1]

It's pretty obvious that UTG is almost never folding here. If one of the blinds pops it, we will then have enough equity to stick it in.

You're assuming that if one of the blinds pops it that UTG is always coming along, and that's where you have the equity, right? Just wanted to make sure I followed.

[Znakeyez 0]

results ? Or what happened? Just curious.....or you waiting for more responses ?