Universal Health Care...

[Balloon guy 158]

plenty to talk about without saying crap that has no basis in reality.

Why you always trying to shut me out of the conversations????

[CaneBrain 95]

Why you always trying to shut me out of the conversations????

Because I don't want to admit that you complete me.

[85suited 0]

yeah because clearly this health care bill had been such a political boon to the Democrats.plenty to talk about without saying crap that has no basis in reality.

This bill is not even remotely feasible, we can't afford it.They have NO idea what it will cost - 1 trillion, 4 trillion - all a guess. I have history that tells me that almost every government program runs over cost Look no further than the Fannie & freddie disaster

[CaneBrain 95]

This bill is not even remotely feasible, we can't afford it.They have NO idea what it will cost - 1 trillion, 4 trillion - all a guess. I have history that tells me that almost every government program runs over cost Look no further than the Fannie & freddie disaster

This is fine.It relates in no way to what you said earlier. But it is a valid viewpoint.The truth is we can afford it but it is not prudent to do so.

[85suited 0]

So knowing what I said above - why would you move forward if it was not workable unless it was about power?you don't think nationalizing a large part of our economy has the potential to be a large voting block?

[CaneBrain 95]

So knowing what I said above - why would you move forward if it was not workable unless it was about power?you don't think nationalizing a large part of our economy has the potential to be a large voting block?

Well, they obviously disagree with the assessment. Once upon a time, people honestly thought we would be greeted as liberators. Politicians are just as if not more susceptible to error as warm blooded humans.Also, I am sure that a good # of Dems behind this bill were Dems who really wanted a public option because they are true believers in universal care and think that free coverage for all is what we need even if it ends up being more expensive. That makes a lot more sense than they are trying to turn healthcare providers into the teachers union. It's not like doctors love this bill.And the implication that the Democrats have the political savvy to try and gerrymander an entire industry in this way is hilarious.

[85suited 0]

Well, they obviously disagree with the assessment. Once upon a time, people honestly thought we would be greeted as liberators. Politicians are just as if not more susceptible to error as warm blooded humans.Also, I am sure that a good # of Dems behind this bill were Dems who really wanted a public option because they are true believers in universal care and think that free coverage for all is what we need even if it ends up being more expensive. That makes a lot more sense than they are trying to turn healthcare providers into the teachers union. It's not like doctors love this bill.And the implication that the Democrats have the political savvy to try and gerrymander an entire industry in this way is hilarious.

The NHS in the UK has at least 1.3 Million People working for it and they have a population around 60 millionSay the US has 300 million people - So figure about 6.5 million people - and no one knows how to create Bureaucracy like WashingtonIt would be by far the largest employer in the world... Don't be naive to think that it's "all about helping" the people

[CaneBrain 95]

The NHS in the UK has at least 1.3 Million People working for it and they have a population around 60 millionSay the US has 300 million people - So figure about 6.5 million people - and no one knows how to create Bureaucracy like WashingtonIt would be by far the largest employer in the world... Don't be naive to think that it's "all about helping" the people

How does this ensure they all vote Democrat?That's the leap you want me to make but I won't without something more than "don't be naive".

[85suited 0]

How does this ensure they all vote Democrat?That's the leap you want me to make but I won't without something more than "don't be naive".

When you control salaries and prices - you have a lot of power - nothing is guaranteed

[CaneBrain 95]

When you control salaries and prices - you have a lot of power - nothing is guaranteed

So the doctors and nurses will have to vote Democrat or the Federal government will slash their salaries? Wouldn't the Democrats be out of office the next election if they tried to do this?You watch entirely too much Glenn Beck. He has taken a valid stance of fiscal conservatism and turned it into a paranoid fantasy where the Democrats have an agenda of world domination if you "just look hard enough" and have the courage to "ask questions." It's actually kind of hilarious against the backdrop of a recent GOP presidency where troops were sent to the Middle East based on bad intel to spread democracy dust and liberation juice. DEMOCRATS: FIRST HEALTH CARE, THEN THE WORLD.

[85suited 0]

So the doctors and nurses will have to vote Democrat or the Federal government will slash their salaries? Wouldn't the Democrats be out of office the next election if they tried to do this?You watch entirely too much Glenn Beck. He has taken a valid stance of fiscal conservatism and turned it into a paranoid fantasy where the Democrats have an agenda of world domination if you "just look hard enough" and have the courage to "ask questions." It's actually kind of hilarious against the backdrop of a recent GOP presidency where troops were sent to the Middle East based on bad intel to spread democracy dust and liberation juice. DEMOCRATS: FIRST HEALTH CARE, THEN THE WORLD.

LOL your funny - I don't know if this is a Beck topic or not..All you need to do is look to england - it is what happened there - The Labour Party goal was to create a system where the peoples livelyhoood depended on big government... sounds familiar?

[All_In 0]

And just because I want to beat the rush.

what u bolded out of my post doesn't support ANY argument people have replied with...lemme guess, highschool dropout?

What's funny is how you will believe anything from anyone as long as their perspective includes animosity towards the US of A.

wrong

You are telling a guy who went through this personally that he is wrong because you know more because you talked to a person who 'knows' someone else.

no i'm not. i even asked if he was billed for all the items used.

And no matter how often your ignorance is pointed out to you, you just hunker into your bunker, cover your ears and chant "I know I'm right, I know I'm right" over and over until you get up the nerve to come back and spout more complete drivel with no basis in reality.

i defend my point of view, like others here. i do change it if presented with a valid argument.

Try listening to Rush Limbaugh for a few years every day, all 3 hours.

he's retarded.

[Balloon guy 158]

what u bolded out of my post doesn't support ANY argument people have replied with...lemme guess, highschool dropout?

It's cute that you pretend a high school drop out couldn't defeat every point you have ever made about anything

wrong

I know you are but what am I?

no i'm not. i even asked if he was billed for all the items used.

Yea, cause that proves...what? Here's a little something for you to mull over...most procedures have a package of items to use, and you are billed for these whenever you have a procedure. well you're not, because you have everyone with a job pay for yours, we have to fund our own spending in the US

i defend my point of view, like others here. i do change it if presented with a valid argument.

If you want to vote on this, I will lay you 20:1 that you can't get a single supporter for this statement

he's retarded.

Remember, when you point the finger, three more are pointed right back at you.

[El Guapo 8]

Remember, when you point the finger, three more are pointed right back at you.

And a thumb points up to the big guy, well it does if you point like your gun is a hand, which is the more awesome way to point because you can **** your thumb and make cool shooting noises whilst doing it.

[dapokerbum 0]

what u bolded out of my post doesn't support ANY argument people have replied with...lemme guess, highschool dropout?wrongno i'm not. i even asked if he was billed for all the items used.i defend my point of view, like others here. i do change it if presented with a valid argument.he's retarded.

Oh awesome you replied to Balloon guy first ... does that mean you will be responding to Naked Cowboys post next?

[Balloon guy 158]

And a thumb points up to the big guy, well it does if you point like your gun is a hand, which is the more awesome way to point because you can **** your thumb and make cool shooting noises whilst doing it.

A while back I worked with some special forces guy who pointed with all 4 fingers and his thumb like he was signaling his squad to kill some Canadians terrorist, I have pointed that way ever since.

[Balloon guy 158]

what u bolded out of my post doesn't support ANY argument people have replied with...lemme guess, highschool dropout?wrongno i'm not. i even asked if he was billed for all the items used.i defend my point of view, like others here. i do change it if presented with a valid argument.he's retarded.

Or to summarize

[Naked_Cowboy 0]

Oh awesome you replied to Balloon guy first ... does that mean you will be responding to Naked Cowboys post next?

i'll take the under

[LongLiveYorke 38]

It appears that Obama is going to have the Democratic members of congress use reconciliation to turn the health care bill into lawhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/04/health/p...4health.html?hpUnder their tentative plan, the House would first approve the bill that was adopted by the Senate on Christmas Eve. Mr. Reid and Ms. Pelosi would also draft a package of changes to be approved by both chambers in a separate reconciliation bill. The reconciliation package would effectively smooth out some of the differences between the House and Senate versions.The whole bundle would be sent to Mr. Obama to sign into law.For a while, I was afraid of the term "reconciliation." Republicans painted it in a pretty bad light (I had never heard of it before this whole process began). But, upon learning was it actually was, it makes a lot of sense, and I don't see why it shouldn't be used.

[akoff 0]

It appears that Obama is going to have the Democratic members of congress use reconciliation to turn the health care bill into lawhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/04/health/p...4health.html?hpUnder their tentative plan, the House would first approve the bill that was adopted by the Senate on Christmas Eve. Mr. Reid and Ms. Pelosi would also draft a package of changes to be approved by both chambers in a separate reconciliation bill. The reconciliation package would effectively smooth out some of the differences between the House and Senate versions.The whole bundle would be sent to Mr. Obama to sign into law.For a while, I was afraid of the term "reconciliation." Republicans painted it in a pretty bad light (I had never heard of it before this whole process began). But, upon learning was it actually was, it makes a lot of sense, and I don't see why it shouldn't be used.

you put a lot of faith into an article that refers to the speaker of the house as "Mr. Pelosi" granted she is a bad looking woman but she is not a man. The same articale you you posted the link seems to say that thye don't know if they can get it done. I don't think there is any way she can get enough democrats to to give up their jobs to support the pipedream. The momentum is slowing and it is damn near spopped. The far left and the Obama press are doing their best to keep it alive but I don't believe it will happen."But while that sounds feasible, carrying out the strategy could yet prove tricky. Senate Republicans could try offering countless amendments as a delaying tactic. And Mr. Pelosi could have difficulty rounding up the necessary votes to pass the reconciliation package in the House, because it will strip out anti-abortion language that some Democrats favor."

[LongLiveYorke 38]

you put a lot of faith into an article that refers to the speaker of the house as "Mr. Pelosi"

Ha! Missed that the first time.

[Balloon guy 158]

I for one think that the power to pass a bill that spends over a Trillion doll hairs should be a simple majority.That way if it's ever my senator that is teh swing vote, we can get free everything for life by holding out for the best offer.That's how democracy SHOULD work

[Dagata 0]

A quick comment to caneThe democrats can maintain power by threatening that the republicans will slash salaries and jobs if they are elected(which they should) thereby everyone working for them will continue to vote democrat to hold their job.

[nutzbuster 7]

This is like a bad dream.The very soul and intent of this country's government is about to be raped in the ass.And if any Dems are gloating at the moment....well, just get ready for about, oh ...50 years of backlash?The public outcry ensures the Dems doom if Obama goes through with this

[Naked_Cowboy 0]

Here's the thing about recociliation ... even obama was against it less than 2 years ago. Today on the radio they played a half dozen soundbytes of obama stressing that you both actually need and should need a true 60% majority to agree on something as big as healthcare legislation from his time as a senator and during the campaign.