The Official Obama Scorecard Thread

[Balloon guy 158]

Tim, let me provide you with a handy Balloon Guy Economic Theory reference guide:If the economy does well under a Democrat President, it is a fluke and most likely the responsibility of a previous Republican or outside Capitalist forces.If the economy does well under a Republican President, that guy is ****ing awesome, yo.If the economy does poorly under a Democrat President, it is his fault for being a Socialist, overspending hippie and no fault of any previous Republican presidents no matter how much damage George W. Bush seemed to do.If the economy does poorly under a Republican president, something a Democrat did previously or another Democrat (BARNEY FRANK!!111!!!!) is doing currently is actually to blameHope that helps.

This is....surprisingly accurate.But it should also be noted that I do not hold that presidents have that much influence over the national economy, it is nothing more than applying what I know to be true to the situation, which is what everyone else who claims their theory is doing. I just am not afraid to package it in the ridiculous package that they are all in, because I recognize my bias, and embrace it.

So, we have one conservative who thinks it would be hilarious if Obama's presidency was built on a giant fraud and results in a national embarrassment (and makes Biden president! Is that what you want?) and one conservative who muses about the irony of Obama not being aborted. Good times on the internet.

I think now I understand Obama when he said the single bestest decision he's made since taking office was picking Biden to be his Veep.

[Balloon guy 158]

I am doing a fundraiser for Pawlenty tonight at a private club for some big money types.I guess he is serious about running?Anyone know him? Henry?

[AmScray 355]

Anyone know him?

You'd like him.

[hblask 1]

I am doing a fundraiser for Pawlenty tonight at a private club for some big money types.I guess he is serious about running?Anyone know him? Henry?

I don't know him, but a friend of mine is a Republican insider in MN and worked with him frequently. His comment was that Pawlenty will always be the smartest guy in the room. He said Pawlenty can keep amazing amounts of information in his head. He said Pawlenty's drawback is that he can't stop micromanaging, and when you run for president you have to be able to find people you trust and delegate, and he didn't know if Pawlenty could do that.I think he did a decent but uninspired job here, to the point I could probably hold my nose and vote for him if none of the good candidates pan out. For me I think he holds the coveted position of "worst candidate that I could still vote for in a pinch". And by "in a pinch" I mean "against Obama".

[timwakefield 68]

This is....surprisingly accurate.But it should also be noted that I do not hold that presidents have that much influence over the national economy, it is nothing more than applying what I know to be true to the situation, which is nothing. I just am not afraid to package it in the ridiculous package that they are all in, because I recognize my bias, and embrace it.

fyp

[SAM_Hard8 50]

Oh, nice. You think the President of the United States would have been aborted. You think this because his mom is white and his dad is black, right?

no, but I see where your head is.

[SAM_Hard8 50]

So, we have one conservative who thinks it would be hilarious if Obama's presidency was built on a giant fraud and results in a national embarrassment (and makes Biden president! Is that what you want?) and one conservative who muses about the irony of Obama not being aborted. Good times on the internet.

has nothing to do with being conservative.

[SAM_Hard8 50]

I have no idea why he assumed he would've been aborted, but the first place I went for why was because she was only 18.

17 year old liberal girl gets pregnant by her 25 year old boyfriend, what are the odds he wouldn't have been aborted.

[SAM_Hard8 50]

You guys disappoint the hell out of me.

[Spademan 94]

17 year old liberal girl gets pregnant by her 25 year old boyfriend, what are the odds he wouldn't have been aborted.

About 91% higher than you not being a mouth-breathing ape.So I guess it's technically possible.

[CaneBrain 95]

no, but I see where your head is.

we saw where your head is. A scary, scary place.

[CaneBrain 95]

Bin Laden's dead. That's going to be + a lot for Obama. But more importantly, I am glad he finally got what was coming to him. Good job US military.

[vbnautilus 48]

Bin Laden's dead. That's going to be + a lot for Obama. But more importantly, I am glad he finally got what was coming to him. Good job US military.

GG republicans.

[Zealous Donkey 0]

GG republicans.

Nah, a little too early in his presidency, if economy is terrible he could still lose. It would be better for him I think if a drone made the kill shot. It is definately a + in his column. Remember Bush I and dessert storm. He was so popular right after that and every night Johnny Carson joked about how hopeless it was for the democrats. But the economy tanked, he compromised with democrats breaking his read my lips pledge and got beat.

[Zealous Donkey 0]

GG republicans.

Nah, a little too early in his presidency, if economy is terrible he could still lose. It would be better for him I think if a drone made the kill shot. It is definately a + in his column. Remember Bush I and dessert storm. He was so popular right after that and every night Johnny Carson joked about how hopeless it was for the democrats. But the economy tanked, he compromised with democrats breaking his read my lips pledge and got beat.

[CaneBrain 95]

Nah, a little too early in his presidency, if economy is terrible he could still lose. It would be better for him I think if a drone made the kill shot. It is definately a + in his column. Remember Bush I and dessert storm. He was so popular right after that and every night Johnny Carson joked about how hopeless it was for the democrats. But the economy tanked, he compromised with democrats breaking his read my lips pledge and got beat.

Yeah, plus the Democrats can find plenty of ways to screw stuff up between now and election time. It's what political parties do.However, like I said in the other thread, I think it makes it a few percent more likely he gets re-elected.

[gobears 0]

Nah, a little too early in his presidency, if economy is terrible he could still lose. It would be better for him I think if a drone made the kill shot. It is definately a + in his column.

I agree except for the drone part. The US has the body and absolute proof that we got him. Think of the stupid birther arguments - I'm sure if a drone had hit the palace and there was no body, you'd have a bunch of conspiracy folks saying that Bin Laden was still around.

[CaneBrain 95]

I agree except for the drone part. The US has the body and absolute proof that we got him. Think of the stupid birther arguments - I'm sure if a drone had hit the palace and there was no body, you'd have a bunch of conspiracy folks saying that Bin Laden was still around.

lol so true, sadly. Obama can't get people to believe he was born in Hawaii no matter what he does.....no way he gets people to believe he finally got Bin Laden without a body, DNA match, etc.

[loogie 115]

dessert storm

[vbnautilus 48]

More regarding the credit issue: ---On June 2, 2009 the President signs a memo to Director Panetta stating “in order to ensure that we have expanded every effort, I direct you to provide me within 30 days a detailed operation plan for locating and bringing to justice Usama Bin Ladin…”In the lead up to this operation, the President convened at least 9 meetings with his national security Principals. Principals met formally an additional five times themselves; and their Deputies met 7 times. This was in addition to countless briefings on the subject during the President’s intelligence briefings; and frequent consultations between the NSC, CIA, DoD and Joint Staff. The President was actively involved in reviewing all facets of the operation.The President made the decision to undertake the operation at 8:20am on April 29th in the Diplomatic Room before he left for Alabama. In the Dip Room were Donilon, Daley, Brennan and McDonough. Donilon then prepared the formal orders and convened the Principals at 3pm to complete the planning.May 1 -- staff worked pretty much all day today on the operation. Principals have been in the Situation Room since 1pm.2:00pm the President met with the Principals to review final preparations.3:32pm the President returned to the Sit Room for an additional briefing.3:50pm the President first learns that UBL was tentatively identified.7:01pm the President learns that there’s a “high probability” the HVT was UBL.8:30pm the President receives further briefings.

[brvheart 1,752]

More regarding the credit issue: ---On June 2, 2009 the President signs a memo to Director Panetta stating “in order to ensure that we have expanded every effort, I direct you to provide me within 30 days a detailed operation plan for locating and bringing to justice Usama Bin Ladin…”In the lead up to this operation, the President convened at least 9 meetings with his national security Principals. Principals met formally an additional five times themselves; and their Deputies met 7 times. This was in addition to countless briefings on the subject during the President’s intelligence briefings; and frequent consultations between the NSC, CIA, DoD and Joint Staff. The President was actively involved in reviewing all facets of the operation.The President made the decision to undertake the operation at 8:20am on April 29th in the Diplomatic Room before he left for Alabama. In the Dip Room were Donilon, Daley, Brennan and McDonough. Donilon then prepared the formal orders and convened the Principals at 3pm to complete the planning.May 1 -- staff worked pretty much all day today on the operation. Principals have been in the Situation Room since 1pm.2:00pm the President met with the Principals to review final preparations.3:32pm the President returned to the Sit Room for an additional briefing.3:50pm the President first learns that UBL was tentatively identified.7:01pm the President learns that there’s a “high probability” the HVT was UBL.8:30pm the President receives further briefings.

This stuff is always happening. Every day. All the time. Don't you think this exact thing happened with Bush on multiple occasions? It just so happened that this time they had the right place. It was luck, plain and simple. They even told him that they were just basing it on a guess. They had zero direct sight confirmation that Osama was there. I'm thrilled that they got him, but implying that Obama did something special is ridiculous.

[timwakefield 68]

You have to give him some credit for not involving the Pakistani government.

Chocolate Rain

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[brvheart 1,752]

You have to give him some credit for not involving the Pakistani government.

I definitely think that Obama gets some credit, just not very much. Like 1 or 2 %.

[akoff 0]

I do believe Obama deserves some credit for this if for no other reason he had the balls to approve a strike in Pakistan without any approval. This truly shows me more balls then I guessed him to have…it actually is the first time I have seen him show any balls at all. So congrats BHO you finally have done something well!!!

[vbnautilus 48]

This stuff is always happening. Every day. All the time. Don't you think this exact thing happened with Bush on multiple occasions? It just so happened that this time they had the right place. It was luck, plain and simple. They even told him that they were just basing it on a guess. They had zero direct sight confirmation that Osama was there. I'm thrilled that they got him, but implying that Obama did something special is ridiculous.

You're implying that the military just randomly chose a house and guessed right. The lack of direct confirmation does not mean it was a "guess". There was plenty of evidence which led them to believe he was there, and they didn't locate this place by "luck" but rather by years of diligent and difficult intelligence work in tracking the couriers etc. The discussion was not about whether Obama did something "special", it was about to what degree he could be considered responsible for what happened. I think there are many ways in which he could be considered responsible, including making the decision to do all of this within pakistan.