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President Obama ordered the cabinet to cut $100,000,000.00 ($100 million) from the $3,500,000,000,000.00 ($3.5 trillion) federal budget.   I'm so impressed by this sacrifice that I have decided to

I think we knew we were trading simple for nuanced.
Dennis Miller said it best:We thought we were getting Hope and Change.Instead we got Hope and Crosby.The guy is doing nothing but going to dinners and giving speeches that are putting people to sleep. He has failed everything else he's done.Gitmo closed yet?We out of Afghanistan?Healthcare? sure..in 2014..maybe.
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First a shocking number of Americans, even Liberals, think he wasn't born in America......now about 1 in 5 think he is a Muslim.

Nearly one in five people, or 18 percent, said they think Obama is Muslim, up from the 11 percent who said so in March 2009, according to a poll released Thursday. The proportion who correctly say he is a Christian is down to just 34 percent.The largest share of people, 43 percent, said they don't know his religion, an increase from the 34 percent who said that in early 2009.The survey, conducted by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center and its affiliated Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, is based on interviews conducted before the controversy over whether Muslims should be permitted to construct a mosque near the World Trade Center site. Obama has said he believes Muslims have the right to build an Islamic center there, though he's also said he won't take a position on whether they should actually build it.In a separate poll by Time magazine/ABT SRBI conducted Monday and Tuesday -- after Obama's comments about the mosque -- 24 percent said they think he is Muslim, 47 percent said they think he is Christian and 24 percent didn't know or didn't respond.In addition, 61 percent opposed building the Muslim center near the Trade Center site and 26 percent said they favor it.The Pew poll found that about three in 10 of Obama's fiercest political rivals, Republicans and conservatives, say he is a Muslim. That is up significantly from last year and far higher than the share of Democrats and liberals who say so. But even among his supporters, the number saying he is a Christian has fallen since 2009, with just 43 percent of blacks and 46 percent of Democrats saying he is Christian.Among independents, 18 percent say Obama is Muslim -- up from 10 percent last year.Pew analysts attribute the findings to attacks by his opponents and Obama's limited attendance at religious services, particularly in contrast with Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, whose worship was more public.Andrew Kohut, the Pew Research Center's director, said the confusion partly reflects "the intensification of negative views about Obama among his critics." Alan Cooperman, the Pew Forum's associate director for research, said that with the public hearing little about Obama's religion, "maybe there's more possibility for other people to make suggestions that the president is this or he's really that or he's really a Muslim."Obama is the Christian son of a Kenyan Muslim father and a Kansas mother. From age 6 to 10, Obama lived in predominantly Muslim Indonesia with his mother and Indonesian stepfather. His full name, Barack Hussein Obama, sounds Muslim to many.White House officials did not provide on-the-record comments on the survey, but they prompted Pastor Kirbyjon Caldwell of Houston to call the Associated Press.Caldwell, who said he has known Obama for years, said the president is a Christian who prays every day. He said he was not sure where the public confusion about the president's religion came from, but he called false media reports about it "a 24-hour noise box committed to presenting the president in a false light."Six in 10 of those saying Obama is a Muslim said they got the information from the media, with the largest portion -- 16 percent -- saying it was on television. Eleven percent said they learned it from Obama's behavior and words.Despite the confusion about Obama's religion, there is noteworthy support for how he uses it to make decisions. Nearly half, or 48 percent, said he relies on his religion the right amount when making policy choices, 21 percent said he uses it too little and 11 percent too much.At the same time, the poll provides broad indications that the public feels religion is playing a diminished role in politics today, with fewer people than in 2008 saying the Democratic and Republican parties are friendly toward religion.With elections for control of Congress just over two months away, the poll contains optimistic news for Republicans. Half of white non-Hispanic Catholics, plus three in 10 unaffiliated with a religion and a third of Jews, support the GOP -- all up since 2008.The survey also found:• The Democratic Party is seen as friendly to religion by 26 percent, while 43 percent say the same about the GOP. That's a 9 percentage point drop for Republicans since 2008, and 12 points lower for Democrats.• Fifty-two percent say churches should stay away from politics, a reversal of the slim majorities that supported churches' political involvement from 1996 to 2006.The poll, overseen by Princeton Survey Research Associates International, involved landline and cell phone interviews with 3,003 randomly chosen adults.From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100819/PO...m#ixzz0x45NCKPA
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First a shocking number of Americans, even Liberals, think he wasn't born in America......now about 1 in 5 think he is a Muslim.
Even though Obama has not done a good job as President, I think it might be time to start asking if he ever had a chance. He came into a mess and started with a large number of the populace insisting he is a Muslim/Kenyan/secret terrorist/etc.This article would be hilarious if it was not so sad.
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Even though Obama has not done a good job as President, I think it might be time to start asking if he ever had a chance. He came into a mess and started with a large number of the populace insisting he is a Muslim/Kenyan/secret terrorist/etc.
Apologist.Sort of like coming into the Presidency with a large number of the population thinking you'd stolen the election.I do find it nothing short of shocking that so many Americans believe these Conspiracies.
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Apologist.Sort of like coming into the Presidency with a large number of the population thinking you'd stolen the election.
Except over time that started to fade. According to the article you linked, people are getting stupider about Obama and his religion and birthplace despite his time at the forefront.LOL at apologist. You explain it then. Are Americans stupid? Do they just ignore evidence in front of their faces?At least there was some credible evidence that Bush could have lost Florida (he did not steal anything but that does not mean that mistakes were not made.....speaking as a long time resident of Palm Beach County I dont think we will ever be able to determine who really won Florida in 2000). There is nothing to support Obama is a Muslim or born in Kenya other than ravings of lunatics and the ill-informed.That's not even getting into Obama inheriting a giant shitstorm of problems whereas Bush got to start off with a surplus and no wars as opposed to a financial meltdown and two wars. The analogy almost works though! (And by that I mean it does not work even a little)
I do find it nothing short of shocking that so many Americans believe these Conspiracies.
At this point, nothing the American public does shocks me.....and I think the biggest problem is a mainstream media (both Fox News and CNN/NBC/etc) that is more concerned with ratings than news (notice how often Fox brags they are #1 in ratings as if that speaks to quality lol) and the internet because the internet is a perfect breeding ground for finding "confirmation" of an insane theory.
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Except over time that started to fade. According to the article you linked, people are getting stupider about Obama and his religion and birthplace despite his time at the forefront.LOL at apologist. You explain it then. Are Americans stupid? Do they just ignore evidence in front of their faces?At least there was some credible evidence that Bush could have lost Florida (he did not steal anything but that does not mean that mistakes were not made.....speaking as a long time resident of Palm Beach County I dont think we will ever be able to determine who really won Florida in 2000). There is nothing to support Obama is a Muslim or born in Kenya other than ravings of lunatics and the ill-informed.That's not even getting into Obama inheriting a giant shitstorm of problems whereas Bush got to start off with a surplus and no wars as opposed to a financial meltdown and two wars. The analogy almost works though! (And by that I mean it does not work even a little)At this point, nothing the American public does shocks me.....and I think the biggest problem is a mainstream media (both Fox News and CNN/NBC/etc) that is more concerned with ratings than news (notice how often Fox brags they are #1 in ratings as if that speaks to quality lol) and the internet because the internet is a perfect breeding ground for finding "confirmation" of an insane theory.
You must have to WANT to believe a conspiracy in order to believe it - I mean, there isn't going to be a real fact base, only innuendo. But it is amazing how people can delude themselves into thinking they actually have facts to support the conspiracy. Look at this from that article.
Six in 10 of those saying Obama is a Muslim said they got the information from the media, with the largest portion -- 16 percent -- saying it was on television. Eleven percent said they learned it from Obama's behavior and words.
Amazing.
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Even though Obama has not done a good job as President, I think it might be time to start asking if he ever had a chance. He came into a mess and started with a large number of the populace insisting he is a Muslim/Kenyan/secret terrorist/etc.This article would be hilarious if it was not so sad.
Bull shit. He was given the opportunity to do anything, most of what he proposed had no opposition. Or if it did, it was the Republican minority of the Senate so it didn't matter. He has caused a couple of giant cluster f***s. Instead of fixing things he has caused bigger problems, especially for 10 years from now.The health care bill and the stimulus bill are two examples of this. They both were rushed through and have created a whole world of problems that are going to have to be unwound. Even if the stimulus package has helped, which it has, it doesn't mean that we should have done it. And definitely not in the manner we did it.
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Bull shit. He was given the opportunity to do anything, most of what he proposed had no opposition. Or if it did, it was the Republican minority of the Senate so it didn't matter. He has caused a couple of giant cluster f***s. Instead of fixing things he has caused bigger problems, especially for 10 years from now.The health care bill and the stimulus bill are two examples of this. They both were rushed through and have created a whole world of problems that are going to have to be unwound. Even if the stimulus package has helped, which it has, it doesn't mean that we should have done it. And definitely not in the manner we did it.
A) You just think they are cluster****s that will cause tons of problems 10 years from now. As far as I can tell the healthcare bill did basically nothing other than slap some lipstick on a pig. The stimulus bill was just another stimulus bill.....like you said maybe we should not have done it that way but acting like the one stimulus bill has broken the camel's back is just another part of this ridiculous hyperbole about how bad Obama has been. When your deficit is multiple trillions acting like a 787 billion dollar deal to help try and stimulate the economy during a horrible recession was so turrrrrible is kinda silly.B) The passage of two bad bills does not = destroying America......and it definitely should not make people think he was born elsewhere or a secret Muslim/Communist/whateverC) I'll take two crappy domestic spending bills over a fouled up war and the destruction of the American economy. You want long term consequences.....check out Iraq 10 years after we leave for good. That should be fun......checking out Iran's new fiefdom.I don't object to people thinking Obama has been a bad President. I do object to this doomsday, BS, he's the worst EVAH! crap because in the context of 2000-2008 it is just ludicrous. And in the context of some of our long ago presidents.....well it's just insane.
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I don't object to people thinking Obama has been a bad President. I do object to this doomsday, BS, he's the worst EVAH! crap because in the context of 2000-2008 it is just ludicrous. And in the context of some of our long ago presidents.....well it's just insane.
NOHe's a moronic Kenyan Nazi socialist muslim, OK?
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Bull shit. He was given the opportunity to do anything, most of what he proposed had no opposition. Or if it did, it was the Republican minority of the Senate so it didn't matter. He has caused a couple of giant cluster f***s.
So, which cluster fucks has he caused, exactly, that currently effect us? And how did his policies cause them? I really can't think of any.
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So, which cluster fucks has he caused, exactly, that currently effect us? And how did his policies cause them? I really can't think of any.
If everything the GOP says about his domestic spending bills comes to pass in 10 years, well then ok guess he was the worst ever. (Actually, it would only put him in the top 10 worst ever. Seriously, someone look up some of our lesser known presidents some time.) To project that now while still pretending he is responsible for the current unemployment levels and everything else is just so laughable. He really never had a chance to be popular this term. He is still going to win re-election though which is going to be awesome. Kinda like the liberal reaction when Bush won in 2004 x 50 hilarious points.
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So, which cluster fucks has he caused, exactly, that currently effect us? And how did his policies cause them? I really can't think of any.
He's a moronic Kenyan Nazi socialist muslim, OK?
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A) You just think they are cluster****s that will cause tons of problems 10 years from now. As far as I can tell the healthcare bill did basically nothing other than slap some lipstick on a pig. The stimulus bill was just another stimulus bill.....like you said maybe we should not have done it that way but acting like the one stimulus bill has broken the camel's back is just another part of this ridiculous hyperbole about how bad Obama has been. When your deficit is multiple trillions acting like a 787 billion dollar deal to help try and stimulate the economy during a horrible recession was so turrrrrible is kinda silly.
I think everyone agrees the healthcare bill was terrible and really accomplished nothing, so we can table that.
B) The passage of two bad bills does not = destroying America......and it definitely should not make people think he was born elsewhere or a secret Muslim/Communist/whatever
What is up with the hyperbole and extremes? I never said he destroyed America or commented on his birthplace. Please don't lump me in with the other posters.
C) I'll take two crappy domestic spending bills over a fouled up war and the destruction of the American economy. You want long term consequences.....check out Iraq 10 years after we leave for good. That should be fun......checking out Iran's new fiefdom.
This is not a comparison game. I was talking about his decisions.
I don't object to people thinking Obama has been a bad President. I do object to this doomsday, BS, he's the worst EVAH! crap because in the context of 2000-2008 it is just ludicrous. And in the context of some of our long ago presidents.....well it's just insane.
Our annual deficit has gone from 400 trillion two years ago to 1.7 trillion this year. That is not a slight increase. Also, I am not naive enough to think some form of stimulus wasn't need or didn't help. The problem is in how it was enacted. Roughly 800 Billion, over 1,000 pages of legislation, and a lot of extra bureaucracy that will need more tax dollars after the stimulus is over. It's more than, here some money fix roads and build a bridge, which would give jobs to private companies contracting with the government. It actually expanded government programs and created new ones. These will now be permanent fixtures in our social system that we will have to have tax revenue to pay for.When people like Harry Reid, wrote things in the margins hours before the bill passed to "get his" that is what I have issues with, but bottom line this Bill was created by our current president and enacted by congress.At some point we HAVE TO cut spending and increase taxes. OUr society cannot operate at this pace for more than 10 years. If we continue on this path we will be Japan. We will have massive deflation. Treasuries will be 1% and we will have a stagnated economy.
So, which cluster fucks has he caused, exactly, that currently effect us? And how did his policies cause them? I really can't think of any.
Because something does not have a current negative impact does not stop it from being a cluster ****. And btw, the healthcare bill is already causing a lot of issues.Also, going back to his campaign. The not raises taxes on people making under 250K a year is one of the biggest lies ever perpetrated in a campaign that I can think of. The fact that the 10% tax bracket goes away this next year will affect every single tax payer, and raise every single person in the country taxes. That is not debatable. I honestly don't know how he gets away with this blatant lie repeatedly.The only way he can claim to tell the truth is to extend the Bush tax cuts from 2001. But that seems extremely unlikely because I have never heard mention of him or congress considering that.
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A) You just think they are cluster****s that will cause tons of problems 10 years from now. As far as I can tell the healthcare bill did basically nothing other than slap some lipstick on a pig. The stimulus bill was just another stimulus bill.....like you said maybe we should not have done it that way but acting like the one stimulus bill has broken the camel's back is just another part of this ridiculous hyperbole about how bad Obama has been. When your deficit is multiple trillions acting like a 787 billion dollar deal to help try and stimulate the economy during a horrible recession was so turrrrrible is kinda silly.B) The passage of two bad bills does not = destroying America......and it definitely should not make people think he was born elsewhere or a secret Muslim/Communist/whateverC) I'll take two crappy domestic spending bills over a fouled up war and the destruction of the American economy. You want long term consequences.....check out Iraq 10 years after we leave for good. That should be fun......checking out Iran's new fiefdom.I don't object to people thinking Obama has been a bad President. I do object to this doomsday, BS, he's the worst EVAH! crap because in the context of 2000-2008 it is just ludicrous. And in the context of some of our long ago presidents.....well it's just insane.
The healthcare bill is affecting us now. Feel free to take this to the healthcare thread, but you and LLY continue to say that healthcare reform is a good thing, and this legislation is not reform. Feel free to engage me on that.For example, one of the first things implemented is mandated coverage of children up to age 19. That's a good thing. However, the legislation did nothing to address the ''how's'' of the bill. As of September 23, children must be approved regardless of health. So, the insurance companies have stopped allowing children-only policies to reduce their risk. There were child-only policies before this legislation, and now they are going away. That's not increasing access, controlling costs or anything else. What's a single mom supposed to do if they can only afford care for their children, not themselves? I have a client right now facing this situation.
So, which cluster fucks has he caused, exactly, that currently effect us? And how did his policies cause them? I really can't think of any.
How about the healthcare reform bill? You seem to continue to champion this piece of legislation as a positive thing and you also refuse to acknowledge it as a negative.I asked you to discuss end-of-life care when it was addressed in the healthcare thread.If you think this legislation is so good, what good things does it do for us? And how is this bill better than any alternatives? Do you have any comment on the nature of the 'pass first, read later' of how this legislation was passed?
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I won't lump you in with the GOPers who say he is worst EVAH, if you correct them once in a while. Like I said, I don't have problems with people who disapprove of Obama.....I disapprove of Obama.....going after healthcare first was such a bad idea. But you cannot deny the GOP party line is Obama is destroying America. And it is super convenient that everybody on the right waited until a Democrat got in office to declare that THIS IS THE TIME to stop spending too much.I thought they were extending the Bush tax cuts for everybody but 250k+ earners? Is that not right?

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The healthcare bill is affecting us now. Feel free to take this to the healthcare thread, but you and LLY continue to say that healthcare reform is a good thing, and this legislation is not reform. Feel free to engage me on that.
If you think I have said that Obama's health care reform was a good thing, then you have not read a word I wrote about it. Sorry.I will engage you on this; I think Obama care was a political disaster that changed little in terms of access and did little to address cost. However, I don't think it made the situation appreciably worse either. It basically does nothing while submarining him politically.
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I think that the Government owning an Auto Company is terrible.
Really, I think it worked out fantastically. Are you against it in principle, or are you against the result. GM is showing profits and just had an ipo. Ford and even the previously doomed Chrysler are emerging quite well. All three would have died if not for the government's intervention.
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I think that the Government owning an Auto Company is terrible.
I think farming out military operations to a private security company with nebulous rules of engagement is terrible. What are we talking about?
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I think farming out military operations to a private security company with nebulous rules of engagement is terrible. What are we talking about?
I was adding specific examples of what Obama has done that we think are terrible.
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Really, I think it worked out fantastically. Are you against it in principle, or are you against the result. GM is showing profits and just had an ipo. Ford and even the previously doomed Chrysler are emerging quite well. All three would have died if not for the government's intervention.
You don't think that the Government could have intervened without negotiating for actual ownership of a company that competes in the market against a company like Ford.Yeah. You could say I'm against that on principle - the principle being that the Government shouldn't be directly competing with Private Enterprise.And there is evidence that some customers are staying away from GM because of the Government Majority Ownership of the company.
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At some point we HAVE TO cut spending and increase taxes. OUr society cannot operate at this pace for more than 10 years. If we continue on this path we will be Japan. We will have massive deflation. Treasuries will be 1% and we will have a stagnated economy.
If you're a deficit hawk, the concern is that rates will eventually balloon, not plummet.
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If you're a deficit hawk, the concern is that rates will eventually balloon, not plummet.
Not if we have stag-or deflation and continue with 0% fed funds rate and keep issuing more and more treasuries.Also, if rates Balloon quickly, treasuries will be a bigger bubble than the housing market. Here is the issue with the economy as a whole right now. We have approximately 13 trillion in GDP and 13 trillion in Government debt. We are at the highest level of government debt post WWII than we have ever been as a percentage of GDP. We are basically at 100% of GDP. The difference between then and now is most of that debt was being spent on the war and was non-recurring debt. With the implementation of Social Security, Medicare and other entitlement programs, along with the ever expanding government jobs, the debt will not drop like it did before. Unless we drastically cut in other areas. As of right now, we are going the opposite direction.Now when you look at GDP and consumer spending, we have gone from a negative 3% savings rate, to a positive 7%. That is good for people individually, but bad for the economy. 10% of 13 trillion, is 1.3 Trillion less that we are spending as a society right now. The governement stimulus which has been a little over a trillion in the last 2 years, has basically supplanted our lack of consumer spending and placed in on the back of future tax payers. We cannot keep doing this. Especially if it keep building more bureaucracies. Without GDP growth, we will not have inflation. We need some form of moderate inflation, rates this low are not good for the long term.Now I am still a believer in efficient markets and that the US economy is recovering and will recover, I just think that there needs to be a major shift in governement spending that has to coincide or it will eventually do more damage than good.
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Bull shit. He was given the opportunity to do anything, most of what he proposed had no opposition. Or if it did, it was the Republican minority of the Senate so it didn't matter.
I gotta disagree. the republicans have been anything but irrelevant since their [rightful] destruction in 2008. the public furor they've incited over everything obama's attempted to do has meaningfully limited his ability to push legislation. clinton and obama are aberrations; we're still a country of clueless right-leaning people.
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