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infastructure spending isnt socialist... When did I call it socialist?•Some $1.1 billion for AMTRAK, one of the most wasteful government boondoggles ever. •As if ACORN didn’t cause enough trouble last year, Congress wants to reward them with more money. There is $1 billion for the Community Development Block Grant program that ACORN would be eligible to obtain. •Since when is taking the National Census a stimulating activity? It appears Congress thinks so…another billion flies out the door. •$300 million for Americorps, a volunteer service program… huh?? I thought the idea was to create PAYING JOBS! •$50 million for the National Endowment for the ArtsThis bill should be infastructure and tax cuts ...NO BS... What’s the best way to stimulate the economy? Infuse it with much-needed new cash by providing across-the-board tax cuts for ALL taxpayers, reducing the corporate tax rate of 35 percent, the second highest in the world, to 25 percent or less, and keeping or reducing the capital gains tax rate of 15 percent. After all who do you trust to spend your tax money…politicians and bureaucrats or you?

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President Obama ordered the cabinet to cut $100,000,000.00 ($100 million) from the $3,500,000,000,000.00 ($3.5 trillion) federal budget.   I'm so impressed by this sacrifice that I have decided to

Low Taxes and Low Govt Spending are two things that work..everything else is debateable
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some things in the senate bill •$20 million “for the removal of small- to medium-sized fish passage barriers.” (Pg. 45 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: “20,000,000 for the removal of small- to medium-sized fish passage barriers) •$400 million for STD prevention (Pg. 60 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: “CDC estimates that a proximately 19 million new STD infections occur annually in the United States …The Committee has included $400,000,000 for testing and prevention of these conditions.”) • $25 million to rehabilitate off-roading (ATV) trails (Pg. 45 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: “$25,000,000 is for recreation maintenance, especially for rehabilitation of off-road vehicle routes, and $20,000,000 is for trail maintenance and restoration”) •$34 million to remodel the Department of Commerce HQ (Pg. 15 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: $34,000,000 for the Department of Commerce renovation and modernization”) •$70 million to “Support Supercomputing Activities” for climate research (Pgs. 14-15 of Senate Appropriations Committee Report: $70,000,000 is directed to specifically support supercomputing activities, especially as they relate to climate research) •$150 million for honey bee insurance (Pg. 102 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: “The Secretary shall use up to $ 50,000,000 per year, and $150,000,000 in the case of 2009, from the Trust Fund to provide emergency relief to eligible producers of livestock, honey bees, and farm-raised fish to aid in the reduction of losses due to disease, adverse weather, or other conditions, such as blizzards and wildfires, as determined by the Secretary”)

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some things in the senate bill •$20 million “for the removal of small- to medium-sized fish passage barriers.” (Pg. 45 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: “20,000,000 for the removal of small- to medium-sized fish passage barriers) •$400 million for STD prevention (Pg. 60 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: “CDC estimates that a proximately 19 million new STD infections occur annually in the United States …The Committee has included $400,000,000 for testing and prevention of these conditions.”) • $25 million to rehabilitate off-roading (ATV) trails (Pg. 45 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: “$25,000,000 is for recreation maintenance, especially for rehabilitation of off-road vehicle routes, and $20,000,000 is for trail maintenance and restoration”) •$34 million to remodel the Department of Commerce HQ (Pg. 15 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: $34,000,000 for the Department of Commerce renovation and modernization”) •$70 million to “Support Supercomputing Activities” for climate research (Pgs. 14-15 of Senate Appropriations Committee Report: $70,000,000 is directed to specifically support supercomputing activities, especially as they relate to climate research) •$150 million for honey bee insurance (Pg. 102 of Senate Appropriations Committee report: “The Secretary shall use up to $ 50,000,000 per year, and $150,000,000 in the case of 2009, from the Trust Fund to provide emergency relief to eligible producers of livestock, honey bees, and farm-raised fish to aid in the reduction of losses due to disease, adverse weather, or other conditions, such as blizzards and wildfires, as determined by the Secretary”)
This is simply a left wing special interest bonanza that is being called a stimulas bill because they know it won't be challanged by the media.
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infastructure spending isnt socialist... When did I call it socialist?
Ahhh yes, because the world has to revolve around someone, doesn't it, and that someone is you.My making an open-ended comment must've been directed at you.
•$300 million for Americorps, a volunteer service program… huh?? I thought the idea was to create PAYING JOBS!
I am not against creating the oppurtunity for people to serve their country in a non-martial fashion and in exchange, giving them money for school. For christs sake (I say this a lot- "for christs sake"), their education awards are taxed. :club:
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Since when did improving infrastructure become "socialist"?
When it became a mere 7% of a massive spending bill, the rest going to paying off favors to campaign contributors.
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Lucky for us BHO and the rest of his minions are going to go on such and extreme soednign spree that they not even the American public will acept it. The bad news is that our Grandchildren will be still be paying for this crap.The good news is it will force the conservative base to get their shit together and reclaim leadership

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Lucky for us BHO and the rest of his minions are going to go on such and extreme soednign spree that they not even the American public will acept it. The bad news is that our Grandchildren will be still be paying for this crap.The good news is it will force the conservative base to get their shit together and reclaim leadership
really? drunk at noon?
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When it became a mere 7% of a massive spending bill, the rest going to paying off favors to campaign contributors.
This post made me feel nauseous. I better leave this forum before I actually puke.
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The bad news is that our Grandchildren will be still be paying for this crap.
looking at you national debt, your grandchildren will have to pay anyway.sure, obama's economic policy takes (gambles on?^^) the risky but (if successful) fast way to recover.the safe but slow way that most conservative people prefer, where everything equals out in the long run, would be possible, too. but it may take too long, since the danger of bankrupcy is very imminent these days...in other words: obama goes all in with a pair and an open-ended straight flush draw and hopes to hit. he is the favourite though^^.
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sure, obama's economic policy takes (gambles on?^^) the risky but (if successful) fast way to recover.
Step 1: Taxpayer has some moneyStep 2: Government takes a bigger chunk of that money than normalStep 3: Government wastes a bunch of it on bureaucracyStep 4: Government dumps a bunch of the money on dubious projectsStep 4a. Government puts a tiny fraction of it into generally accepted infrastructure projects.Step 5: Government gives what's left back to the taxpayer and calls it a stimulus.Step 6: Stupid people are happy to "get a stimulus check", smart people cry.
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there is a difference between having another opinion on how it should be done and not trusting governement at all.discussion is relatively worthless, if the latter is the case...

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looking at you national debt, your grandchildren will have to pay anyway.sure, obama's economic policy takes (gambles on?^^) the risky but (if successful) fast way to recover.the safe but slow way that most conservative people prefer, where everything equals out in the long run, would be possible, too. but it may take too long, since the danger of bankrupcy is very imminent these days...in other words: obama goes all in with a pair and an open-ended straight flush draw and hopes to hit. he is the favourite though^^.
this is so silly that i know you are just pulling my leg to get me upset...LOL not gonna workHe is going all in with a 10 high flush draw...while the board is paired and three short stakes are pot committed....but he thinks they may all fold!!! nice try though.BHO = FISH
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there is a difference between having another opinion on how it should be done and not trusting governement at all.discussion is relatively worthless, if the latter is the case...
I trust government, i trust that the more they do the more it will cost, the longer it will take to recover from and the worse our countyy will be. I wasn't born this way I just am smart enough to look at history and see that for every good governemt idea there about oh i don't know 10k expensive bad ones...i hate to let the facts get in the way of the your little delusion. Remember the poor and stupid ALWAYS suffer the most. The same ones that have created this will be hit the heardest and end up suffing the most.
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the problem is: the governement is the only institution that has the possibility to face the actual problems.

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the problem is: the governement is the only institution that has the possibility to face the actual problems.
Yes, that is a very European response…which goes along to way to explain the concerns of capitalists. I mean we are only talking about a way life and approach to business that has made this country the most successful in history. We have this financial problem which all things considered is not really that bad (what country would like to trade places with us for the long term) and we are going to tear it all apart to become Germany, Spain, FRANCE, WTF if France didn’t have Grey Goose, pastry and fries we would have let Germany have the country….government (all of them) is the worst institution and has done the most to create it...and now it is going to fix it!!! The funny part is our government is one of if not the best...as bad as it Now BHO is going to “change” it…he is creating debt that our grandchildren and generations beyond that will be left with. Dumb ****ing democrats never can see the forest through the trees. We are still paying for the New Deal!! I used to get mad at GB for spending like a DEMOCRAT…LOL I was so wrong. He was attempting to make them happy and still over spending. Now that they are in office Barak, Nancy and the rest of the gang are going to show us how it is done. Sigh, what are you gonna do, hold costs (freeze wages), cut back on benefits (for the rank and file) move companies to more tax friendly locations (great way to stimulate the economy there), raise rents on your apartments (people that don’t have jobs don’t buy new houses) and hope that in 2 or 4 or 6 or 8 years the American public realizes what a crock of shit they have been given and voted for.
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see, i foresaw your answer almost 100% correctly...

Yes, that is a very European response…which goes along to way to explain the concerns of capitalists. I mean we are only talking about a way life and approach to business that has made this country the most successful in history.
That's right. But obviously it's not the case anymore. The usa are one of the most indebted countries in the world. obviously the usa are not alone responsible for this world crisis, but the collapse of your bank system (letting lehman brothers go broke!) in the first place made the crisis that big.and i truly understand the point with the way of life and approach. it's not over. but the world has changed, the conditions are not the same anymore. you need to adapt, and as always, not everybody is going to like it...
We have this financial problem which all things considered is not really that bad (what country would like to trade places with us for the long term) and we are going to tear it all apart to become Germany, Spain, FRANCE, WTF if France didn’t have Grey Goose, pastry and fries we would have let Germany have the country….
you're underestimating the situation. of all western countries the economic crisis hit the usa the most (exept for iceland, but thats a complete other thing). you are already in debt, you're not an export nation, so you're economy is not able to dig itself out of the hole alone. in fact, the usa are highly dependent from the coutries that import their products. china is the most important example, if the crisis would have hit china harder, your land would be in really bad shape...and before you make fund of the european countries: we obvioulsy have big problems with the crisis also, but we already stopped the most bleeding. to use the poker analogy again: we lost a monster four-way pot (uk, fr, ger, esp...) but we're deep enough to come back. the usa are the shortstack at the table...
government (all of them) is the worst institution and has done the most to create it...and now it is going to fix it!!! The funny part is our government is one of if not the best...as bad as it
that is simply wrong. not governement caused the crisis, but the let-loose crazy financial market (not only in the usa), the more or less only on debt based real estate market and wrong market strategy (automobile industry) and so on...and the governement only is able to create conditions to make it possible for the economy to climb back.
government (all of them) is the worst institution
i don't agree. the institution is not bad, only the people who run it can be not the best. but it could be worse. i like it to have the possibility to drop one sucker and elect the next one. s000.gif
Now BHO is going to “change” it…he is creating debt that our grandchildren and generations beyond that will be left with. Dumb ****ing democrats never can see the forest through the trees. We are still paying for the New Deal!! I used to get mad at GB for spending like a DEMOCRAT…LOL I was so wrong. He was attempting to make them happy and still over spending. Now that they are in office Barak, Nancy and the rest of the gang are going to show us how it is done.
there is a saying: no economy without debt.to create these conditions you of course need money. again in poker terms: you're rebuying for the whole amount you lost and try to double up or get even over the time.
Sigh, what are you gonna do, hold costs (freeze wages), cut back on benefits (for the rank and file) move companies to more tax friendly locations (great way to stimulate the economy there), raise rents on your apartments (people that don’t have jobs don’t buy new houses) and hope that in 2 or 4 or 6 or 8 years the American public realizes what a crock of shit they have been given and voted for.
well, i'm not going to predict the future. time will tell...
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see, i foresaw your answer almost 100% correctly... LOL cmon it wasn't that hard to figure out!!That's right. But obviously it's not the case anymore. The usa are one of the most indebted countries in the world. obviously the usa are not alone responsible for this world crisis, but the collapse of your bank system (letting lehman brothers go broke!) in the first place made the crisis that big.and i truly understand the point with the way of life and approach. it's not over. but the world has changed, the conditions are not the same anymore. you need to adapt, and as always, not everybody is going to like it...you're underestimating the situation. of all western countries the economic crisis hit the usa the most (exept for iceland, but thats a complete other thing). you are already in debt, you're not an export nation, so you're economy is not able to dig itself out of the hole alone. in fact, the usa are highly dependent from the coutries that import their products. china is the most important example, if the crisis would have hit china harder, your land would be in really bad shape...and before you make fund of the european countries: we obvioulsy have big problems with the crisis also, but we already stopped the most bleeding. to use the poker analogy again: we lost a monster four-way pot (uk, fr, ger, esp...) but we're deep enough to come back. the usa are the shortstack at the table...yea good luck with that, i read a few weeks ago in one of the papers that China would need approx. 10 percent growth for the next 20 years with Zero growth in the US to catch our economy...short stack Hmmthat is simply wrong. not governement caused the crisis, but the let-loose crazy financial market (not only in the usa), the more or less only on debt based real estate market and wrong market strategy (automobile industry) and so on...and the governement only is able to create conditions to make it possible for the economy to climb back.yea we just aren't going to agree on this onei don't agree. the institution is not bad, only the people who run it can be not the best. but it could be worse. i like it to have the possibility to drop one sucker and elect the next one. s000.gifour government today goes against virtually every thing it was based on....yea sorry the people that run it are incompetent at the best and it goes down from there. Oh and i astand by that ours is one of the and most likly the best...sigh.there is a saying: no economy without debt.to create these conditions you of course need money. again in poker terms: you're rebuying for the whole amount you lost and try to double up or get even over the time.all about limts i guees and this is way beyond reasonablewell, i'm not going to predict the future. time will tell...
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The usa are one of the most indebted countries in the world.
total debt, I can concede. as a percentage of GDP? I don't think so.
you're underestimating the situation. of all western countries the economic crisis hit the usa the most (exept for iceland, but thats a complete other thing).
schiff was with you on this. he and his customers are down pretty large at the moment. more on that here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schiff#PredictionsI'm not saying he's some super genius, or that he is the face of your position, but it's really not so clear cut.
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I have to say that I don't believe that Bush made his decisions with some sort of evil intent. In fact, it's my sincere belief that he did what he thought was right and best for America. He was wrong of course. But I don't believe he did anything out of some sort of maliciousness. Sadly he is an example of how the best of intentions can go horribly wrong.

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As a global citizen I think you did well this time over in the US for not voting in another war monger like Bush was and what John McCain would of been, well done America, already the world seems like a better place
for some reason, I just don't believe mccain would've been a war monger. someone who spent many years as a POW probably appreciates the magnitude of such a decision. please don't cite immediate post-9/11 quotes from him as evidence... EVERYONE was a war monger back then.
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Yes, that is a very European response…which goes along to way to explain the concerns of capitalists. I mean we are only talking about a way life and approach to business that has made this country the most successful in history. We have this financial problem which all things considered is not really that bad (what country would like to trade places with us for the long term) and we are going to tear it all apart to become Germany, Spain, FRANCE, WTF if France didn’t have Grey Goose, pastry and fries we would have let Germany have the country….
I wouldn't call it a European respons per se. To me the diffrence in the view of government has to do with the political spectrum of right wing vs left wing, capitalism vs socialism etc. And since most european countries has had socialist goverments for long periods of time that of course influences the view of government in Europe. However you can still find the same capitalistic view of government in Europe as well but alot of the time it's not as prevalent as in the US. I believe that you need both a strong market and a strong government to get the best outcome. To me it seems that if you have an economy that is all about free market capitalism you do become successful as a country but there are always losers in the system. The quality of life for the people that can't reap the benefits of capitalism get left behind and the gaps between the richest and the poorest become large. In my view the responsibility of the government is to be there for the people that are in greatest need of help. I believe in taxes and various measures by the government to counter the negative effects of capitalism. This means that you won't get an economy that is as strong as it could have been had you not put restrictions on the market and taxes businesses as much but I do believe that the people of the country benefits from it more. The government should not be too concerned with the well being of the richest people because they have money and they can take care of themselves. It's the people that don't have the same oppportunities that the government needs to focus on and that's why alot of Europeans put such faith in their governments.
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One of Obama's plans is starting to work. Maybe it's not what he had in mind, but this is better than the result the statists were hoping for:http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/business...amp;exprod=diggWall Street banks have taken billions of taxpayer dollars. Now some of them are starting to wonder if they should give the money back.Even before the government announced its latest efforts to fix the troubled banking industry on Tuesday, executives at Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley said they wanted to repay the money quickly. Both banks received $10 billion under the first rescue plan last fall.Paying back all those funds would be difficult in this tough economic environment. But banking executives worry that the government may intrude further into their businesses as long as they are beholden to Washington.“We just think that operating our business without the government capital would be an easier thing to do,” said David A. Viniar, the chief financial officer of Goldman. “We’d be under less scrutiny, and under less pressure. Not that we’d be out of the public eye; we’re still going to be in the public eye.”The issue is likely to draw close scrutiny on Wednesday, when executives from eight banks are scheduled to testify on Capitol Hill. The efforts to break free of government support reflects a growing trepidation among Wall Street’s largest players about their independence and the new rules that may be imposed on them because they accepted federal capital.In recent weeks, the Obama administration has announced that banks will have to disclose more information about their spending and cap executive pay at $500,000. Several lawmakers have gone further with proposed measures about compensation for all bank employees as well as halting certain types of immigration visas for companies that received government money.Industry groups say the new rules are unfair.[article continued at link]

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Another promise broken, another previously awarded point taken away:http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/11/obama...graceful-a.htmlFrom the article:The Wall Street Journal may have said it best today: "On State Secrets and Rendition, Holder Holds the Bush Line." Or, NPR -- "Deja Bush." Yesterday, the Obama administration invoked the "state secrets" privilege when opposing the reinstatement of a lawsuit alleging that a Boeing unit flew detainees to countries where they were tortured as part of the CIA's extraordinary rendition program.The Washington Post has a quick roundup here, but read Glenn Greenwald's coverage at Salon for the most thorough coverage I've found: "Obama fails his first test on civil liberties and accountability -- resoundingly and disgracefully." Greenwald writes:Two weeks ago, interviewed the ACLU's Ben Wizner, counsel to 5 individuals suing the subsidiary of Boeing (Jeppesen) which had arranged the Bush administration's rendition program, under which those 5 plaintiffs had been abducted, sent to other countries and brutally tortured. Today the Obama administration was required to file with the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals its position in this case -- i.e., whether it would continue the Bush administration's abusive reliance on the "state secrets" privilege to prevent courts from ruling on such matters, or whether they would adhere to Obama's previous claims about his beliefs on "state secrets" by withdrawing that position and allowing these victims their day in court.(...)The new President -- who repeatedly condemned the extreme secrecy of the Bush administration and vowed greater transparency -- has now acted to protect, purely on secrecy grounds, the government and company that did this, as Wizner described:"They were essentially the CIA's torture travel agents. They were the one who arranged all the overflight rights for the CIA civilian planes to be able to fly from country to country. They handled the security and the logistics. They filed dummy flight plans to try to trick air traffic controllers into not being able to track where the actual flights were going. And we know they knew what they were doing because we have a witness in our case, someone who's given us a sworn declaration, who was an employee of Jeppesen DataPlan, and who was present when senior officials of the company were openly boasting about their role in the torture flights, and about how much money they made from them because the CIA spared no expense."We were able, with the help of an investigative journalist and other documentary evidence, to link Jeppesen to an number of very specific CIA rendition flights, involving these five torture victims who were flown to countries like Egypt, Morocco, to CIA sites in Afghanistan and eastern Europe. . . ."[Plaintiff Ahmed Agiza] was picked up off the streets of Stockholm and then he was taken to an airport where a CIA rendition team--this is a bunch of men dressed all in black, with their faces covered--sliced off all of his clothes, put a suppository into him, chained him to the floor of an airplane, flew him to Egypt, where he was exposed to absolutely brutal torture, including shock treatment, all kinds of beatings. He was then given a show trial in an Egyptian military court and sentenced to 15 years for involvement in a banned organization."

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One of Obama's plans is starting to work. Maybe it's not what he had in mind, but this is better than the result the statists were hoping for:http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/business...amp;exprod=diggWall Street banks have taken billions of taxpayer dollars. Now some of them are starting to wonder if they should give the money back.Even before the government announced its latest efforts to fix the troubled banking industry on Tuesday, executives at Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley said they wanted to repay the money quickly. Both banks received $10 billion under the first rescue plan last fall.Paying back all those funds would be difficult in this tough economic environment. But banking executives worry that the government may intrude further into their businesses as long as they are beholden to Washington.“We just think that operating our business without the government capital would be an easier thing to do,” said David A. Viniar, the chief financial officer of Goldman. “We’d be under less scrutiny, and under less pressure. Not that we’d be out of the public eye; we’re still going to be in the public eye.”The issue is likely to draw close scrutiny on Wednesday, when executives from eight banks are scheduled to testify on Capitol Hill. The efforts to break free of government support reflects a growing trepidation among Wall Street’s largest players about their independence and the new rules that may be imposed on them because they accepted federal capital.In recent weeks, the Obama administration has announced that banks will have to disclose more information about their spending and cap executive pay at $500,000. Several lawmakers have gone further with proposed measures about compensation for all bank employees as well as halting certain types of immigration visas for companies that received government money.Industry groups say the new rules are unfair.[article continued at link]
Anyone else watching these hearing wonder about Maxine Waters mental state? She's obviously a lady with an agenda but I don't think anyone understood most of the questions she was asking,lol. Gosh I thought Pelosi was an idiot but she's a brain surgeon compared to this lady. Geez!
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