Have To Call Or Pretty Standard Fold

[SGFULTON83 0]

I wasn't involved in this hand. For the record both players involved had been playing pretty TAG, but UTG didn't seem as aggressive as BB when in pots. Well, UTG had a decision to make and I know what I would have done, just looking to see what everyone else thought. I'll give it a few days then post the results. UTG has A5 BTW.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, Tournament, 75/150 Blinds (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comUTG (t5265)MP (t3770)Button (t985)Hero (SB) (t645)BB (t2835)Hero's M: 2.87Preflop: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images...les/diamond.gif[/img]UTG calls t150, 3 folds, BB checksFlop: (t375) A, 2, J(2 players)BB checks, UTG bets t150, BB calls t150Turn: (t675) 10(2 players)BB checks, UTG bets t150, BB calls t150River: (t975) A(2 players)BB checks, UTG bets t150, BB raises to t2385 (All-In), UTG ???Total pot: t5745EDIT: I took my hand out so it would be less confusing. I am not in the hand, just wanting some inputs since me and UTG had a discussion over the play he chose to make.

[SlackerInc 0]

Should have shoved the turn, but hero has to call I think.Edit: wait, who is actually playing the hand? I looked at it quick and thought hero had the ten and the super small stack.

[SuperJon 175]

Is the big blind the type of player that would flat in the BB with any A?UTG has a good hand, but not a great hand. The BB could have something like A2, a flush, or a straight. Another thing that comes to mind, is maybe the BB is just making a move with a weaker hand. UTG has been making some weak bets, so it's possible the BB thinks he can steal the pot with an all-in.

[throwemaway 0]

I haven't posted for quite some time so if strategies have changed and I'm way off base, I apologize in advance..Raise or fold preflop, don't limp A5 utg.. IMO thats the biggest mistake of the hand. I would bet more on the flop and on the turn. 200 on flop, 400 on turn. As played, I think I call..Our bets look pretty weak and its very possible he missed a flush and is making a desperation bluff attempt..

[MovingIn 0]

Now I'm really confused. I can't tell what your friend has.

[SGFULTON83 0]

Wow, if you read the whole OP then you would know this is a SNG I played in and a hand that I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN. I mean really, can I spell it out any clearer in the OP that I'm not the one involved in this hand. Me and UTG had different views on his eventual river decision, which I didn't post because I wanted to get other people's thoughts before I posted the results of the hand. Maybe I'm doing something wrong but clearly I have spelled this out as best I can that I'M NOT INVOLVED IN THIS HAND AND AM LOOKING FOR THOUGHTS ON WHAT UTG'S PLAY SHOULD BE HERE. UTG IS HOLDING AN ACE AND A FIVE!!!!!! AS PREVIOUSLY STATED.

[Chet Chetterson 0]

Well since this is a SnG UTG has no need to call this river bet as he should get passed the bubble comfortably and have a stack where he can play for first later.

[MovingIn 0]

Chill out, dude. It was in the corner of your 1st paragraph and I missed it the 1st time around.That said, don't know why UTG is in that pot in the first place with A5, especially open limping. And he certainly should not have led that flop for such a small amount with only TP crap kicker. Sounds like a clueless donk to me.

[SGFULTON83 0]

Chill out, dude. It was in the corner of your 1st paragraph and I missed it the 1st time around.That said, don't know why UTG is in that pot in the first place with A5, especially open limping. And he certainly should not have led that flop for such a small amount with only TP crap kicker. Sounds like a clueless donk to me.

That rant wasn't directed at you, my apologies for not quoting Throwemaway. It was for the guy who gave me strategy advice for the hand, which I wasn't involved in. I know the hand was played wrong the whole way by UTG and I would have played it totally different. With that being said, Is this a have to call on the river or a prettty standard fold? I told the guy it was a pretty easy fold. Since there weren't too many hands he could beat and with 2 extreme short-stacks, he could have let this go farely easily. I did not go into detail with the guy why this fold was standard because I didn't want to "tap the glass".Anyway, since the OP is obviously too difficult to comprehend I will go ahead and tell you that UTG called and lost to BB's flush. The very next hand I double through UTG and the other extreme short-stack. UTG then loses to another player and bust in 4th, when he could have easily had more chips to work with had he laid the A5 hand down. Others thoughts and opinions on this matter(not how the hand was played up until the river) would be greatly appreciated.

[outsider13 0]

Um, not quite sure what I would have done. The problem with the way he played the hand is he really didn't define his hand on the turn. He should have bet 350-400 on that turn to get a better idea of where he stood.As played, puke fold. I dunno, but it was played horribly imo. I'm not limping A5 UTG at 75/150. I'm not limping A5 UTG ever tbh. Raise or fold.

[BeaverStyle 1]

This is a relatively butchered SNG hand, imo.Raise 3x or fold pre-flop. If called, bet flop, about 550-600. Can't say how I'd play it on the turn because I don't know what would happened preflop or on the flop if we raised preflop.What up Throwemaway? Still grindin them sngs?

[potatoman 0]

Easy fold.Wow, was this hand played bad. Even though we've played terribly and shown all kinds of weakness, we also have very little information to work with. Is our opponent bluffing? Maybe. But I wouldn't feel strongly about it without a very solid read. Maybe our opponent sensed weakness or maybe they've improved to a boat on the river and hope we won't be able to put down our trip aces or flush.Maybe they flopped the flush and were just playing it cool on the flop and turn, hoping we would catch something.Do our bets indicate weakness? Maybe. Or maybe we are trying to allow our opponent to catch up or hopefully encourage a bluff by our opponent.Regardless, as played, with no real information as to the strength of our hand, I would be thankful I only wasted a handful of bets playing like an idiot and fold my hand and try to maintain my chip stack.

[SGFULTON83 0]

This is a relatively butchered SNG hand, imo.Raise 3x or fold pre-flop. If called, bet flop, about 550-600. Can't say how I'd play it on the turn because I don't know what would happened preflop or on the flop if we raised preflop.What up Throwemaway? Still grindin them sngs?

Easy fold.Wow, was this hand played bad. Even though we've played terribly and shown all kinds of weakness, we also have very little information to work with. Is our opponent bluffing? Maybe. But I wouldn't feel strongly about it without a very solid read. Maybe our opponent sensed weakness or maybe they've improved to a boat on the river and hope we won't be able to put down our trip aces or flush.Maybe they flopped the flush and were just playing it cool on the flop and turn, hoping we would catch something.Do our bets indicate weakness? Maybe. Or maybe we are trying to allow our opponent to catch up or hopefully encourage a bluff by our opponent.Regardless, as played, with no real information as to the strength of our hand, I would be thankful I only wasted a handful of bets playing like an idiot and fold my hand and try to maintain my chip stack.

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[MovingIn 0]

I think everyone can agree that debating what we'd do on this river with this hand is irrelevant because none of us would get into that situation with A5o UTG in the first place because we would have folded pre. It's much like the debate about whether you'd call-in pre on the first hand of the WSOP ME with AA if the other 9 players had gone all in PF as well. It would never happen, so what's to gain in discussing it?Your answer to your question, what we would do on the river, is simple: none of us would get into that situation in the first place.

[outsider13 0]

Your answer to your question, what we would do on the river, is simple: none of us would get into that situation in the first place.

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[SGFULTON83 0]

Nevermind.