$10 Into $100,000

[Gooder 0]

With all due respect Daniel, you're not going to turn $10 into a hundred grand if you are playing the same stupid donks on Pokerstars that the rest of us have to play. Be sure and let us know how often you get drawn out on by some dumb ass who insists on calling you down with his two outer, only to hit his set on the river with one pull at the deck.Nobody will ever convince me that even the mighty Kid Poker can overcome the absolutely inexplicable long shots that seem to connect endlessly when playing in these low limit, online donk-a-paloozas. If the two-bit players don't get you the grind will as the rake will eat away at your roll as you try to outmaneuver the online mine field.

Wow, cry much? I hate online poker myself and agree that donkeys are handed 2 to 5 outers way too often. I believe that there are cheaters online, that online poker is rigged so that big hands are always against other big hands, and that horrible play is rewarded a lot. However, to doubt that Daniel is admitting you are a donkey. Does he not understand the whole concept of playing small ball?

[nosoul 0]

With all due respect Daniel, you're not going to turn $10 into a hundred grand if you are playing the same stupid donks on Pokerstars that the rest of us have to play. Be sure and let us know how often you get drawn out on by some dumb ass who insists on calling you down with his two outer, only to hit his set on the river with one pull at the deck.Nobody will ever convince me that even the mighty Kid Poker can overcome the absolutely inexplicable long shots that seem to connect endlessly when playing in these low limit, online donk-a-paloozas. If the two-bit players don't get you the grind will as the rake will eat away at your roll as you try to outmaneuver the online mine field.

That's really mind boggling. Don't you realize that those players chasing that stuff is how you make money in poker? Focusing on the one time they hit, while completely ignoring the times they miss, is the reason YOU will never turn $10 into $100,000. Do everybody a favor and don't project your inadequacies on others. Just because you suck doesn't mean everybody else does, too.

[Boners_Galore 0]

That's really mind boggling. Don't you realize that those players chasing that stuff is how you make money in poker? Focusing on the one time they hit, while completely ignoring the times they miss, is the reason YOU will never turn $10 into $100,000. Do everybody a favor and don't project your inadequacies on others. Just because you suck doesn't mean everybody else does, too.

Amen.

[myenemy 0]

Im very interested in this challenge and am doing something similar. I havent read the entire thread so maybe these questions have been answered but:-Is DN multitabling?-In rule 4 on the first page, does he mean to say double his buy-in? Because if he doubled his bankroll in one session... well that just doesnt make sense.

[Krad.ro 0]

With all due respect Daniel, you're not going to turn $10 into a hundred grand if you are playing the same stupid donks on Pokerstars that the rest of us have to play. Be sure and let us know how often you get drawn out on by some dumb ass who insists on calling you down with his two outer, only to hit his set on the river with one pull at the deck.Nobody will ever convince me that even the mighty Kid Poker can overcome the absolutely inexplicable long shots that seem to connect endlessly when playing in these low limit, online donk-a-paloozas. If the two-bit players don't get you the grind will as the rake will eat away at your roll as you try to outmaneuver the online mine field.

NIGGA' PLEASE! the hell are you sayin'? that pack of donks are unbeatable?! m8, are you SURE you are not from the SSD clan? (Same Stupid Donks)

[Merby 3]

This thread is full of 'gold'. Thanks guys, please keep the comments and complaints coming!

[TrueAce13 18]

This thread is full of 'gold'. Thanks guys, please keep the comments and complaints coming!

QFT

[nosoul 0]

I hate online poker myself and agree that donkeys are handed 2 to 5 outers way too often. I believe that there are cheaters online, that online poker is rigged so that big hands are always against other big hands, and that horrible play is rewarded a lot.

This is just paranoia. Really, it is. The donks are handed 2 to 5 outers too often? By "too often", you mean exactly as predicted by the odds? Because that's how often they hit. This has been proven by third party research groups and people tracking their play. If the cards weren't adhering to the odds, it'd be extremely obvious, everybody would know about it, and nobody would play.There may be cheaters? I've seen players escorted from a poker room for collusion more than once.Big hands always run into other big hands? Ever consider that maybe you only see big hands run into other big hands because the players fold lesser hands? Horrible play sometimes gets rewarded? I've seen people never fold a hand playing $3/$6 LHE and be up $400 after an hour of play. It happens. They're called "upswings".Nothing you mentioned is specific to online play. It all happens in live poker rooms as well.If anything, the online game is more accurate than live play. There's no misdeals. The cards are known to be randomly shuffled every hand (as opposed to the pseudo-random shuffles sometimes used by dealers). Players can't sneak a peak at their neighbors' cards or catch a glimpse of them as they fly across the table. Cards can't be accidentally marked by fingernails. Etc, etc.

[Suited_Up 2]

Definitely rigged.And I know.... look at my post count.

[mr_druid 0]

Good luck DN. I just had $6 deposited from a rakeback bonus so i'm going to take that $6 and follow your guidelines and see how far I get. If I start to pull my eyes out though, i'm quitting and going back to live play.Tom.

[NoSup4U 0]

Ask NoSup4u for bankroll advice. He turned $500 into $20K starting at 600NL.

Heh. EZ game imo :)I don't think Daniel will be able to do this, but gl if you try for as long as it takes Daniel!Mark

[nutzbuster 7]

Heh. EZ game imo :)I don't think Daniel will be able to do this, but gl if you try for as long as it takes Daniel!Mark

He'll do it. He's Stars biggest Star!(and ... he has a secret magic button! shhhhhhhh...)

[Merby 3]

How do you guys think the rules would change if this were to be done only heads up as opposed to full ring? is 500 BB enough for heads up?

Well, since HU is only played against 1/8th the amount of opponents as are played on a full ring table, 1/8th of the full ring amount should suffice.LIMIT HU: I have heard some people recommend 300 BBs for a limit bankroll for full ring games, so limit HU bankroll should be at least 300/8 = 38 BBs.NO LIMIT HU: I have heard people swear by the 20xBI minimum bankroll for full ring games, so for no limit HU games, your bankroll should be at least 20/8 = 2.5 buy ins. Full Tilt HU tables start at $0.25/$0.50 blinds, so you should have at least $125 in your bankroll before trying to play heads-up. Personally, I like playing over-rolled, so I would recommend having at least $200 in your bankroll before venturing into the NL($0.50) HU tables on Tilt.Don't forget to post your Tilt SN here so I can rail you too.

[Suited_Up 2]

Sounds about right Merb.

[BigMagic 0]

Just wanted to comment on online poker being rigged. I don't believe it is, but I don't like the way pstars RNG works. It reshuffles by mouseclicks and the card can change based on who calls(mouse clicks) etc. Meaning that two outer on the river might not have come had you bet differently or clicked options. Doesn't make sense to me to not have the deck be shuffled once and cards burnt and dealt like live poker.

[phlegm 6]

Just wanted to comment on online poker being rigged. I don't believe it is, but I don't like the way pstars RNG works. It reshuffles by mouseclicks and the card can change based on who calls(mouse clicks) etc. Meaning that two outer on the river might not have come had you bet differently or clicked options. Doesn't make sense to me to not have the deck be shuffled once and cards burnt and dealt like live poker.

Is this on level? cause if it is then Im done online.

[Gooder 0]

Is this on level? cause if it is then Im done online.

Online poker is not regulated and therefore will never be on the level. Regardless of what people think about supposed odds and donkeys getting rewarded "too often". I am a winning player in both live and online, trust me, online will never be on the level. I only play online because of the money won from freerolls, if you are depositing money online, don't!

[GUGA KUERTEN 0]

Just wanted to comment on online poker being rigged. I don't believe it is, but I don't like the way pstars RNG works. It reshuffles by mouseclicks and the card can change based on who calls(mouse clicks) etc. Meaning that two outer on the river might not have come had you bet differently or clicked options. Doesn't make sense to me to not have the deck be shuffled once and cards burnt and dealt like live poker.

Pokerstars doesnt reshuffles the cards once a hand has started.

[Giggidy 0]

Full Tilt HU tables start at $0.25/$0.50 blinds, so you should have at least $125 in your bankroll before trying to play heads-up. Personally, I like playing over-rolled, so I would recommend having at least $200 in your bankroll before venturing into the NL($0.50) HU tables on Tilt.Don't forget to post your Tilt SN here so I can rail you too.

lol, this is awesome

[BigMagic 0]

Pokerstars doesnt reshuffles the cards once a hand has started.

Can you verify this? It would ease my mind. I ask for and received their explanation of the RNG and I find it confusing. Enlighten please?

[Hamlet 0]

Can you verify this? It would ease my mind. I ask for and received their explanation of the RNG and I find it confusing. Enlighten please?

Would you share the explanation your received with us?

[BigMagic 0]

I got my own answer from pstars. Here it is.Hello Ron, Thank you for writing us. The answer is that just as in a brick-and-mortar casino with a real deck of cards, our "deck" is randomized and then dealt. Once randomized, the order of this "virtual stub" is never changed throughout the deal. The cards that come out on any given round are totally independent of any player action. The use of a burn card in brick and mortar casinos is to prevent illicit actions on the part of the dealer, and/or to prevent the use of a "marked deck". If a marked deck is in use in a card room, a burn card ensures that no player can see such markings and know the next board card to come before the betting. Such a contrivance is not required in an online cardroom. The absence of a burn card does not change the randomness of the next card off of our truly random shuffle, and as such we do not employ a burn card at PokerStars. This should not affect your decision to play in our games, as the next card off the deck is as random (if not moreso) than in any cardroom you have ever played in. You may wish to read more about our shuffling techniques and the security of our shuffle on these two pages: http://www.pokerstars.com/security.htmlhttp://www.pokerstars.com/rng_audit.html I hope this has answered your question completely. Please do not hesitate to let us know any time you need anything. Kind Regards, TroyPokerStars Support Team So that eases my concerns and I hope it helps anyone else that had similar questions. Sorry for hijacking the thread.

[nosoul 0]

Just wanted to comment on online poker being rigged. I don't believe it is, but I don't like the way pstars RNG works. It reshuffles by mouseclicks and the card can change based on who calls(mouse clicks) etc. Meaning that two outer on the river might not have come had you bet differently or clicked options. Doesn't make sense to me to not have the deck be shuffled once and cards burnt and dealt like live poker.

The mouse clicks thing is just to seed the random number generator. What they explained is how the kernel RNG in Linux works. Being a computer person, that was my first thought when I read that explanation. "Oh, I guess that means their servers are probably running Linux."It always amazes me when people get freaked out by the unused cards being shuffled. Mathematically, it's the same. They're still cards you haven't seen. The game would play exactly the same if the remaining deck was shuffled between betting rounds. There's no reason to do it, though, so they don't. They don't use a burn card because there's no need for one. The purpose of the burn card is to help prevent cheating by not letting people see the next card at all (which might be marked or something). Since there's no deck to see online, the burn card's useless.

[myenemy 0]

Im not arguing one way or the other but I have had "computer people" tell me that there is no such thing as random on a computer. Again I dont know the details or the technicality of it all but the argument was basically that computers do what some input tells it to do.

[Hamlet 0]

Im not arguing one way or the other but I have had "computer people" tell me that there is no such thing as random on a computer. Again I dont know the details or the technicality of it all but the argument was basically that computers do what some input tells it to do.

Im not in the group of "computer people", but here in the group of "human people" who know a bit about computers think a bit different. No, just kidding.The thing is that with a computer and a good algorithm you can get only pseudorandom numbers. Pseudorandom is not exactly pure random (or ideal random) because the string of numbers depends on the very firt number and how the arithmetic method arrange the rest. Did I say "the arithmetic method arrange the rest"But, then.. what on this earth can give you pure random to play online poker?I would say pseudorandom is absolutely acceptable for our lovely poker. Isnt it?