What Happened To Fcp?

[gatortom64 1]

I think FCP went to shit after the whole Charter Member fiasco.

[no not baxter 0]

people form groups & move off of public forums w/ their collected knowledge. i think the glut of training sites that raise the level in the fish pond has people more reluctant to continue to give away information for free.

qfmft, but its not just the training sites...its these forums like p5s and 2p2 that significantly raise the level of players

I am pretty sure nobody who has gone through s7s training pays that much...I know for 100% fact I didn't.Also...I think the forum IS a different place than Steve is used to going to. Kinda like Chris said, it's just that the Challenge threads etc. are where people hang out more. I do know he was a little bugged that he caught flack for offering his 1 day seminar. I personally find it all kind of funny. I mean...I can only speak for myself, but I am a TRILLION times better as a player thanks to Steve and the rest of s7s. So when he offers a condensed version of his course to get people started...for less money than the entire training course, and people find nothing better to do than flame/bash him...I guess I just have to LOL more than anything. So seriously...people DO NOT TAKE HIS COURSE...Flame away and bash him...HE HAS NOTHING TO OFFER!!!! His training will NOT make you a better player and having access to other members of s7s WILL NOT help you out immensely!!! So PLEASE by all means...keep watching your videos on Cardrunners, PokerXfactor etc. etc. they are the ONLY way you will get better and HE CAN NOT HELP YOU. He is a traveling salesman...BUY MY MAGIC POTION!!!!! FCP is different than it was back in the day, but for those who only think he is a salesman etc. etc...cool...don't buy the product and I won't have to worry about you at my table!

I mean I know nothing about s7s course, but do you seriously expect people to pay $300-$500 or w/e the price was he said for a one day course without knowing the lesson plan?? Like that just amazes me that one would expect people to do this without knowing what they would be talking about. I wouldnt pay $500 for a 1 day course with CTS w/o knowing the lesson plan (ok, maybe thats a little extreme )...But seriously, no offense or anything, but there are way better options out there for cheaper than the stuff s7s offers.

[mhoward29 0]

Ahh, I have read the rest of the thread and I see I am not the only one who got the vibe of what this thread might have been created for. Again, people can start threads about generally whatever they want, but kind of ackward when someone comes here wondering what happens to FCP when the only way you contribute is to charge for it. I dont know and have nothing against the OP, but he talked about contributing and stuff to the forum. I am not going to look at his profile and see what threads he has created. But I am going to go out on a limb and guess he has created only threads about training for money in the last 6-8months. True he may offer a wonderful service, but that isnt contributing to the forum or FCP as a whole, its contributing to whoever wants to pay. I just see this as pretty hypocritical.

[looshle 6]

I am pretty sure nobody who has gone through s7s training pays that much...I know for 100% fact I didn't.Also...I think the forum IS a different place than Steve is used to going to. Kinda like Chris said, it's just that the Challenge threads etc. are where people hang out more. I do know he was a little bugged that he caught flack for offering his 1 day seminar. I personally find it all kind of funny. I mean...I can only speak for myself, but I am a TRILLION times better as a player thanks to Steve and the rest of s7s. So when he offers a condensed version of his course to get people started...for less money than the entire training course, and people find nothing better to do than flame/bash him...I guess I just have to LOL more than anything. So seriously...people DO NOT TAKE HIS COURSE...Flame away and bash him...HE HAS NOTHING TO OFFER!!!! His training will NOT make you a better player and having access to other members of s7s WILL NOT help you out immensely!!! So PLEASE by all means...keep watching your videos on Cardrunners, PokerXfactor etc. etc. they are the ONLY way you will get better and HE CAN NOT HELP YOU. He is a traveling salesman...BUY MY MAGIC POTION!!!!! FCP is different than it was back in the day, but for those who only think he is a salesman etc. etc...cool...don't buy the product and I won't have to worry about you at my table!

This kinda just throws most of your post out the window because it shows how biased you are. I honestly think its great that people post about how much they have learned doing Steve's course and how much it has helped them, but this is kind of ridiculous.I do wish him and all his current and future students the best, but there are a lot of people out there who can play that are not s7s alumni.

[Vick12 0]

I mean I know nothing about s7s course, but do you seriously expect people to pay $300-$500 or w/e the price was he said for a one day course without knowing the lesson plan?? Like that just amazes me that one would expect people to do this without knowing what they would be talking about. I wouldnt pay $500 for a 1 day course with CTS w/o knowing the lesson plan (ok, maybe thats a little extreme )...But seriously, no offense or anything, but there are way better options out there for cheaper than the stuff s7s offers.

NNBI am more saying that I find it funny that people flame Steve etc. when he has OBV helped impacted a ton of FCP'ers in a great way at the table. If people don't wanna spend that kinda money...I can totally get that. When people have nothing better to do than flame him for even offering...that's what i don't get. Again...just my 2 cents. (I was not paid in any way shape or form for this advertisement for s7s!!!)

[cardcore 0]

I think FCP went to shit after the whole Charter Member fiasco.

looooool :)The forums HAVE changed, but I wouldn't say for the worse. Yeah, there used to be a TON more poker discussion going on, but most of the guys who would post that stuff talk to their poker buddies on aim. I know I'm close with a number of FCPers and if I want advice about something, I'll ask them on aim.There are a ton more personal threads in genpo, but that's only because the community is so close knit now and everyone knows each other. It's a good thing, really, but all of the real poker discussion no longer takes place in the strat forums, but on msn, skype, aim, or the like, imo.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

but for those who only think he is a salesman etc. etc...

I didn't mean for it to come across like that, to say that Steve is just a shill or what ever. And even if he was a shill, what he's shilling is worth a ton, by all accounts, I know the guys who took the course are all good players now. I think there's much more value, per dollar spent, than say, pokervt, for example. I'm just saying that Steve is selling content, and that's unquestionably true. Other than in the MMA thread, Steve doesn't really socialize much, not like he used to, and doesn't offer (free) strat advice at all. Which is fine, I just think it's strange that he's calling FCP out, and calling it dead, when it plainly is not. I think it's more of a reflection of his participation in the forums than it is a reflection of the reality of this forums. Listen, I'm not above "pining for the golden days" of FCP, because they surely were grand, and I do pine for them on occasion. But FCP is still extremely active, and has all manner of different types of content.

[PokerFan 0]

Steve, ya got some explaning to do.

[James D 0]

I mean I know nothing about s7s course, but do you seriously expect people to pay $300-$500 or w/e the price was he said for a one day course without knowing the lesson plan?? Like that just amazes me that one would expect people to do this without knowing what they would be talking about.

I can't disagree with that.The vibe I get is that maybe Steve prefers to take it to PM, but maybe he'd see an increase in students if he was just more open and clear in the public forum?

[Vick12 0]

This kinda just throws most of your post out the window because it shows how biased you are. I honestly think its great that people post about how much they have learned doing Steve's course and how much it has helped them, but this is kind of ridiculous.I do wish him and all his current and future students the best, but there are a lot of people out there who can play that are not s7s alumni.

LooshI am OBV biased...the guy took from being a losing/break even player to whatever it is I am today! I agree....there ARE plenty of ways to get better etc. etc. I am just saying that if people think the ONLY thing Steve brings to FCP is his salemanship...well I just think that is totally wrong and off base.In fact...he even started the Ask Steve in strategy forum...yet nobody ever bothers to bring up that he does that. So my beef is more towards people calling him a salesmen only...when in fact...he tries to HELP people at FCP...even if that does have to come at a price for the "better" info.

[mhoward29 0]

LooshI am OBV biased...the guy took from being a losing/break even player to whatever it is I am today! I agree....there ARE plenty of ways to get better etc. etc. I am just saying that if people think the ONLY thing Steve brings to FCP is his salemanship...well I just think that is totally wrong and off base.In fact...he even started the Ask Steve in strategy forum...yet nobody ever bothers to bring up that he does that. So my beef is more towards people calling him a salesmen only...when in fact...he tries to HELP people at FCP...even if that does have to come at a price for the "better" info.

This isnt the only thing, but its the only thing most people recognize him for, imo. Like I said earlier, no prob with what he does. But he started this thread wondering what happened to us (FCP) and why we (FCP) dont contribute here more like we used to. That is a hypocritcal statement when someone like NoSup (Mark) or Rdog or whoever contributes at no charge and he wants to be paid for it. I think that is what people are having the beef about.And the 2nd bolded line, when you charge for something you are selling it. It isnt contributing when you charge. You seem to not recognize the difference imo.

[TB17 0]

Goddamnit.This thread sucks

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

This isnt the only thing, but its the only thing most people recognize him for, imo..

See, that's the thing. Only the really old school posters remember Steve before he was offering mentorships, and most people at this point probably think of him as the "charges for mentoring program guy" instead of the "best player who contributes content in the forum who's name doesn't rhyme with Begraneu" guy.

[HighwayStar 8]

goddam that transexual in your siggoddam her/him

[RDog 0]

Pretty sure many of you are vastly overestimating how much the Challenge Threads negatively effect other parts of the forum. If not for the Challenge Thread I'm not really sure how much I would post here anymore and I'm sure I'm not alone there. There is a reason that when there is an interesting thread even in General that we post it a link in Challenge and its because most people in there just don't read much of what is going on elsewhere.

[nutzbuster 7]

I am a TRILLION times better as a player thanks to Steve and the rest of s7s.

you're welcome.

looooool :)The forums HAVE changed, but I wouldn't say for the worse. Yeah, there used to be a TON more poker discussion going on, but most of the guys who would post that stuff talk to their poker buddies on aim. I know I'm close with a number of FCPers and if I want advice about something, I'll ask them on aim.There are a ton more personal threads in genpo, but that's only because the community is so close knit now and everyone knows each other. It's a good thing, really, but all of the real poker discussion no longer takes place in the strat forums, but on msn, skype, aim, or the like, imo.

^^^^^^

[tskillz187 0]

Pretty sure many of you are vastly overestimating how much the Challenge Threads negatively effect other parts of the forum. If not for the Challenge Thread I'm not really sure how much I would post here anymore and I'm sure I'm not alone there. There is a reason that when there is an interesting thread even in General that we post it a link in Challenge and its because most people in there just don't read much of what is going on elsewhere.

They don't look elsewhere because you post it in the thread! It's an argument of what comes first, no one goes elsewhere because elsewhere sucks, or other places suck because you all stay in the challenge thread? The only reason I come here anymore is because of one thread. Maybe that;s because that one thread isnt 90 different threads that I would look through.

[nutzbuster 7]

goddam that transexual in your siggoddam her/him shim

fyp

[nutzbuster 7]

I come here mainly to keep from killing myself at work, express my vast warehouse of political ignorance and chortle to mindless poker and nonpoker shenanigans.As it has always been.SOOOOOOO many other avenues to learn these days. That was not the case 4 years ago.So FCP still has it's place in that mix, however changed it now is, whatever it is to whomever.And Steve is a good guy. He will play you haters HU for rollz.

[mhoward29 0]

See, that's the thing. Only the really old school posters remember Steve before he was offering mentorships, and most people at this point probably think of him as the "charges for mentoring program guy" instead of the "best player who contributes content in the forum who's name doesn't rhyme with Begraneu" guy.

I was a member 8 months after you, lol. I didnt post often then but I do remember Steve contributing and thats so cool. Its also cool that he charges for it now. But when you yourself dont contribute unless you recieve compensation dont ask why others dont either. Its that sort of thing that I dont care for.

[HighwayStar 8]

After seeing some people from tourney strat in various tournaments that I play I see it as being foolish to offer too much advice any more...not that I'm any good anyway..Nowadays I talk way more strat with 3/4 people (all of whom I met on FCP) in private.The challenge threads - NL and L (although I don't play cash games) are gold to read. Great to read about good and serious players trials and tribulations day in/day out I'm really curious about S7S training and exactly how it will massively improve my results. Maybe I'll look into it one day. I think I kinda know what he'll teach and I see how it'll be a good help - not sure about the $3k price for what I can probably learn personally in time anyway.

[HighwayStar 8]

fyp

haha

[mhoward29 0]

I come here mainly to keep from killing myself at work, express my vast warehouse of political ignorance and chortle to mindless poker and nonpoker shenanigans.As it has always been.

Ditto except the politics. I dont pay attention to politics at all.

[antistuff 0]

This. If you took every hand that was posted and discussed out of the challenge thread and put them in the strat forums, they would be hopping. Not sure how it happened but they took on a life of their own. I followed the nl challenge thread for a while but for a casual forum surfer, it's next to impossible to keep up when there's ~10 pages/day to surf through.

the challenge threads ruined the strat forums. they should be locked. and maybe sticked at the top of their respective forums so all that content isnt lost.

[TheCinciKid 0]

I know people jumped all over Steve here because he seems to have turned into a guy selling his wares on the forum. Frankly, that bugs me a little bit, because I remember the days when Steve was a great contributing poster. He used to be one of my favorite posters on the forum, but when he transformed into a salesman, it bothered me a little bit. Personally, I wish that I could afford Steve's training, but I simply can't. I'm only slightly better than break even at small stakes online these days and I don't have enough disposable income to do it, but if I could I would definitely pay for Steve's training. I've seen what it did for people like JC and others. That said, it still kinda bugs me that Steve seems to only come on here to sell his wares anymore. I remember the days that Steve is talking about here, and I miss them too somewhat. I quit playing seriously online for a long time and while I checked back into FCP to lurk every now and then, I found the forum a very different place when I got back. I've never gotten into Superthread's and hence I've never gotten into the challenge threads. I could probably benefit greatly from them, but just don't have the energy/patience to slog through them. The strat forums (where I used to post all the time back in my heyday) are almost completely dead and general if filled with staking threads (which actually used to be against the forum rules back when I posted a lot). Anyway, I remember the days that Steve is talking about and I remember when Steve was more than just a schill for his training service and frankly the whole things saddens me a little. I miss those days. All the posters that I had personal relationships with or felt close to in a we post in the same threads alot kind of way, are pretty much gone. I don't really know anybody on FCP anymore, at least not well. I recognize some names, but the whole place is different and I think that's really what Steve is talking about. What used to be a pretty close-knit community of posters, many of whom knew each other through AIM, etc as well, has exploded and now the close-knit people mostly hang out in the challenge threads, or off-topic, etc.