Full Ring $4nl Ftp Hh Review Please

[ffishh 0]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comCO ($124.25)Button ($384)SB ($88)BB ($390)UTG ($272.20)UTG+1 ($276.20)MP1 ($215.10)Hero (MP2) ($400)Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q , A :club:UTG calls $4, UTG+1 calls $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $16, 4 folds, UTG raises to $58, 1 fold, Hero calls $42 (Hero?)Flop: ($126) 10 , J , 8 (2 players)UTG bets $72, Hero ?Villian is 41VP$IP / 12PFRUnsure about flop PF call. Flop call is standard I think...

[trystero 0]

Fold preflop to his 3-bet

[HollywoodAFD 0]

You made a good bet but on his raise...you have to lay that down.

[BaseJester 1]

As played, I'd flat the flop. You have a good draw, the opportunity to represent other hands, and position.

[cubsfan44 0]

Raise more preflop (to like $18-$20) Fold or raise to his 3 bet with folding being like a billion times better. As played you have to shove that flop, flatting the flop there is horrendousedit: just notice that it was an utg limp reraise. This is a fold preflop always.

[BaseJester 1]

As played you have to shove that flop, flatting the flop there is horrendous

Why's that?

[cubsfan44 0]

Why's that?

The pot's way to big.

[BellaireDrew 2]

you have to fold to the l/r like always here preflop.but now here on the flop i don't really know what to do. Villain only has a little over 140 left after his c bet so we have no FE and we only have a double belly buster, I don't think the Q or A are live here but maybe the A if he has KK but that only gives us one extra out than if he has AA. But I guess if you are going to call pre you need to shove, but i don't like it either way.

[BaseJester 1]

The pot's way to big.

Too big for what? The villain to fold on the turn?

[Sheiky 0]

This hand is strikingly familiar...

[ffishh 0]

So the consensus is I need to fold to PF 3 bet?I think I agree. People just don't 3bet light enough for AQ to be ahead of much.

[BaseJester 1]

So the consensus is I need to fold to PF 3 bet?

yes.

I think I agree. People just don't 3bet light enough for AQ to be ahead of much.

Yeah, and it's dominated a lot. It's too big a percentage of the stacks to play for implied odds.

[NoBBiR 0]

Can you get villains stats on 3bet%, cbet%, AF?

[cubsfan44 0]

Too big for what? The villain to fold on the turn?

Too big to do anything but fold or shove

[BaseJester 1]

Too big to do anything but fold or shove

There must be some part of your thinking that you consider obvious that I don't see.I don't think you're really saying, "Calling is not an option because the pot is large." That doesn't make any sense.Do you think the villain can fold to a flop shove, but not on the turn?Do you think the villain always (or nearly always) bets all-in on the turn?Or you prefer to be all-in so that you don't have to give up equity by folding a brick turn?Here are the numbers for calling with the assumption that the villain always pushes. We have somewhere around 8 outs against QQ+. (If he has QQ or KK then our aces are live. But if he has KK then he has two blockers. And he could have a 3-flush. Meh. About 8.)Preflop 126flop (villain) 72Turn (villain) 142Total win (flop+turn) 340Amount hero has to call 72Odds assuming push 4.722222222B.E. win% 0.174757282 unknown cards: 47Outs: 8Odds of improving: 4.875Win % 0.170212766By playing totally ABC, calling is less than a $2 loss. It's essentially break-even. Then we can add it in some deception, because what we're drawing to isn't obvious to the villain. Suppose you're the villain with A A and the 4 falls on the turn. Is pushing or calling all-in automatic here? I don't think so.Or A K . The villain very well might get in on the flop ("I have two overs, a gut-shot, and 3-flush and two cards to come. Call") but fold a lot of turns.You might argue that the pot is too big for the villain to fold anything is in his range. That could be, but I don't understand the desire to push the flop in that case.