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My estimation of Daniel went up several notches after reading that: I can't stand people who act politely to people they detest, and Daniel's conspicuous detestation of Duke is perfectly acceptable. Having seen Duke's odious behaviour on TV, I am glad her personality is being openly criticized. She is a total bitch who is disgustingly self-absorbed without the ability to back it up. Regardless whether you like or detest her: you should respect the freedom of speech. Just because Daniel is well known it shouldn't mean he has to be covert with his opinions of people. Some people are just pathetic. Grow some balls you lot!
I agree :)Mark
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My estimation of Daniel went up several notches after reading that: I can't stand people who act politely to people they detest, and Daniel's conspicuous detestation of Duke is perfectly acceptable. Having seen Duke's odious behaviour on TV, I am glad her personality is being openly criticized. She is a total bitch who is disgustingly self-absorbed without the ability to back it up. Regardless whether you like or detest her: you should respect the freedom of speech. Just because Daniel is well known it shouldn't mean he has to be covert with his opinions of people. Some people are just pathetic. Grow some balls you lot!
oh, I didn't say that being an a-hole is bad. I am one myself. What I am saying is I don't think DN's too worried about coming across as an A-hole when talking about clonie, is all.
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one of the best threads I've read this year.... +1 to all!!!
This statement totally missed the mark. There just so happens to be one of the best threads on FCP in a long time on the first page of GenPo. I suggest reading it. It's the long scamming one. Thank me later.
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My estimation of Daniel went up several notches after reading that: I can't stand people who act politely to people they detest, and Daniel's conspicuous detestation of Duke is perfectly acceptable. Having seen Duke's odious behaviour on TV, I am glad her personality is being openly criticized. She is a total bitch who is disgustingly self-absorbed without the ability to back it up. Regardless whether you like or detest her: you should respect the freedom of speech. Just because Daniel is well known it shouldn't mean he has to be covert with his opinions of people. Some people are just pathetic. Grow some balls you lot!
QFT. I have been around Annie several times for good amounts of time, and while at times she is pleasant enough, the only person more self absorbed and obnoxious is Phil. A dirty coin slot only earns her even more demerits.
1st [x]: You do not know this.2nd [x]: How do you know that DN doesn't know but likes to think he knows? I think he knows more than you know since he knows everyone involved.3rd [x]: Wrong. DN will talk to anyone and everyone if you approach him, he will even talk to you when he is at the table... although it probably pisses him off. I was at a WPT event, where this lady would not stop taking pictures of him with flash on and he made a face at her everytime lol. This was all while he was trying to play. Also just because he posts his opinion on here does not mean he has a huge ego... it's his freaking site he can say what he wants. I'm sure if you had you're own site with a blog with 1000's of members you would come off with an ego also. Everyone who is one of the best at what they do has an ego. I'm sure you are good at something, and like to show off about it somewhat.4th [x]: Almost same as 2nd [x] but let me entertain myself. How do you know that DN doesn't know what the legal issues are... ok not enough knows in that one. But seriously, Daniel is a sponsored poker player, I'm sure he has more knowledge about poker contracts than you do.5th [x]: He does talk a lot, but it isn't without thinking. He has a lot of influence on how tournaments are structured (WSOP for instance). He is a voice for the players and he will speak up whether something is going good or going bad for a tournament, whether it is the structure, food, etc. You are the one spewing out the mouth for making all these assumptions.Wow I sound like a fanboy.
Get in line rookie...
It's pretty gay from what I've seen.
Get in line rookie...
I agree :)Mark
Get in line rook...er...oh. It's you! :ts:club:
oh, I didn't say that being an a-hole is bad. I am one myself. What I am saying is I don't think DN's too worried about coming across as an A-hole when talking about clonie, is all.
Seriously, who best has an inside line on any of this? You guys, or someone who has Ivey on speed dial?el the F Oh ellll
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A dirty coin slot only earns her even more demerits.
Thanks for making me spit soft drink all over my monitor. When should I expect you to ship me a new one? We had an oral agreement you would....
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Seriously, who best has an inside line on any of this? You guys, or someone who has Ivey on speed dial?el the F Oh ellll
Listen, I don't know what you're trying to say ( other than to re-affirm your status as a DN Sycophant )I'm not saying Clonie has a great case or not, or that I know anything about it. I am saying that someone "who has Ivey on speed dial" has an extremely one sided view of the case, because A) he's heard only one side, B) he doesn't like Clonie to begin with and C) he does like several members of Team Full tilt a whole lot. DN's a good friend.. but being a good friend does not mean he has intimate knowledge of full tilt business practices or the nature of Clonie's contract with Full Tilt. He may end up being right about all this... but blindly trusting "well, if DN says it's true, then it's true" is basically the same as trusting what Howard Lederer has to say about the case. IE Completely biased.
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Listen, I don't know what you're trying to say ( other than to re-affirm your status as a DN Sycophant )I'm not saying Clonie has a great case or not, or that I know anything about it. I am saying that someone "who has Ivey on speed dial" has an extremely one sided view of the case, because A) he's heard only one side, B) he doesn't like Clonie to begin with and C) he does like several members of Team Full tilt a whole lot. DN's a good friend.. but being a good friend does not mean he has intimate knowledge of full tilt business practices or the nature of Clonie's contract with Full Tilt. He may end up being right about all this... but blindly trusting "well, if DN says it's true, then it's true" is basically the same as trusting what Howard Lederer has to say about the case. IE Completely biased.
lol. ok. Nice insult, once again proving your status as being able to come across as an arrogant ass.
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lol. ok. Nice insult, once again proving your status as being able to come across as an arrogant ass.
It's not really an insult, nutzy, just the truth. You are unapologetically a.... DN apologist. (please allow myself to... introduce myself?)But way to skip over my entire point about the case and make it about you.
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I have to agree w/ Nutz on this situation. Daniel has to have 1st hand knowledge of the situation from the circles he is in. His close friend is Pokers biggest agent Brian Balsbaugh of Poker Royalty who represents Daniel and players on Full Tilts team. He has to have the inside scoop and I dont think he would open his mouth without having information many of us do not have. Also, to reply to the poster who said Daniel is jealous of not getting a 1% deal with FT...I am sure Full Tilt offered Daniel a sweet deal to join but most likely was out bid by PS. Its also well know Daniel help broker the deal that got Patrik to join Full Tilt. Until this case is settled most of the banter in this thread is useless but you have to be naive to think Daniel doesnt know what his talking about.

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He has to have the inside scoop and I dont think he would open his mouth without having information many of us do not have.
yeah, I don't agree with this, exactly. DN hasn't exactly been shy about opening his mouth in the past, I don't think DN mouth opening, in and of itself, proves anything.
Also, to reply to the poster who said Daniel is jealous of not getting a 1% deal with FT...I am sure Full Tilt offered Daniel a sweet deal to join but most likely was out bid by PS. Its also well know Daniel help broker the deal that got Patrik to join Full Tilt.
This I agree with 100 percent. Saying DN is jealous of Full Tilt poker is just plain silly. DN's business opportunities in poker dwarf clonie's. What ever his motivations are for speaking out on this issue, exactly zero of them are jealousy.
Until this case is settled most of the banter in this thread is useless but you have to be naive to think Daniel doesnt know what his talking about.
Once again, I'm not saying DN "doesn't know what he's talking about', I'm just saying that DN is clearly in the camp of one side of this lawsuit and his point of view is basically that of the defendants. There are two sides to every lawsuit, is all I'm saying, and DN's "informed" opinion is not the same as an unbiased opinion. I think it's wiser, as a random poker fan, to let the courts decide the merits of this lawsuit, than to blindly believe one side (or the other).
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Once again, I'm not saying DN "doesn't know what he's talking about', I'm just saying that DN is clearly in the camp of one side of this lawsuit and his point of view is basically that of the defendants. There are two sides to every lawsuit, is all I'm saying, and DN's "informed" opinion is not the same as an unbiased opinion. I think it's wiser, as a random poker fan, to let the courts decide the merits of this lawsuit, than to blindly believe one side (or the other).
I agree....
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It's not really an insult, nutzy, just the truth. You are unapologetically a.... DN apologist. (please allow myself to... introduce myself?)But way to skip over my entire point about the case and make it about you.
ZOMG...irony much?Look D, I like you man. I consider DN a friend, so I'm gonna back his opinion if I agree with it and I have to agree with a guy who clearly has much better info. but I have differed on his stances many many times, mainly politics. The guy wanted to punch my lights out a few months back for crying out loud.All of this is our opinions obviously but my money is on the insiders view. Yeah, they also just happen to be the ones being sued, but whatever. Daniels view/opinion is infinity sharper on this that anyone of us here merely by circumstance. He will always know more about this than anyone of us here ever will.
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but you did look at the 2 links in which DN was ripping Duke pretty savagely, right?I think would be the best "inside line" available...
That was a long time ago and they have since made amends. Annie is a machine gun of Arrogance. Take a WSOP Academy seminar with her....and bring your flack jacket.
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