Indentured Servitude: The New Teen Tax

[mase_gotsem 0]

Hey, I can't be all things for all people. Well, I guess I'm just a homo to everyone.Anyone have a hot brother?

14 year old cousin .. hes kinda mature ?

[85suited 0]

Come's close to covering the first semister at University of Montana Estimated semester costs for freshmen (2007-08)Montana residentTuition and fees, $2,570Room and board, $2,930Books and supplies, $425Total costs, $5,925

University of Illinois In State tuition - (I would think PE BHO would be familiar)http://www.uillinois.edu/our/news/2008/mar...ition.facts.cfm2009 PricesTuition is $4,621 per semester ($9,242 per Year)Room & Board is $4,099 per semester ($8,198 per year)Fee's $1,494 per semester ($2,988 per year)Total Cost is $20,428 - $4,000New Cost $16,428A School Obama is even more familiar withUniversity of Illinois @ Chicago2009 PricesTuition is $4,065 per semester ($8,130 per Year)Room & Board is $4,222 per semester ($8,444 per year)Fee's $1,593 per semester ($3,186 per year)Total Cost is $19,760- $4,000New Cost $15,760I don't even have books in the equation, money for a beer, college sweatshirt etc etc

[FCP Bob 1,321]

From Change.govCreate the American Opportunity Tax Credit: Obama and Biden will make college affordable for all Americans by creating a new American Opportunity Tax Credit. This universal and fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans, and will cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university and make community college tuition completely free for most students. Recipients of the credit will be required to conduct 100 hours of community service. This I have no problem with... but saying $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans, and will cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university and make community college tuition completely free for most studentsis absolutely absurb4G's doesnt come close to paying for a childs education, room & board, books etc

University of Illinois In State tuition - (I would think PE BHO would be familiar)http://www.uillinois.edu/our/news/2008/mar...ition.facts.cfm2009 PricesTuition is $4,621 per semester ($9,242 per Year)Room & Board is $4,099 per semester ($8,198 per year)Fee's $1,494 per semester ($2,988 per year)Total Cost is $20,428 - $4,000New Cost $16,428A School Obama is even more familiar withUniversity of Illinois @ Chicago2009 PricesTuition is $4,065 per semester ($8,130 per Year)Room & Board is $4,222 per semester ($8,444 per year)Fee's $1,593 per semester ($3,186 per year)Total Cost is $19,760- $4,000New Cost $15,760I don't even have books in the equation, money for a beer, college sweatshirt etc etc

You need to work on your reading comprehension when you're wearing your partisan goggles as I think they must get fogged up when you think about Obama as President. The statement clearly says Tuition and you're saying oh my God room and board are expensive. I will give you that the statement that the first $4K in expenses is free is a bit misleading but all it means is that they have the first $4K covered with this plan and the student will have to cover anything above that.If the average Tuition is $6,000 per year at State schools then the statement is accurate. I'm sure there are those who would jump on any plan to pay the entire cost of College as being Socialist and expensive and the slippery slope on the way to Stalinism.The plan basically will help students with $4K to use to help pay their College expenses. Whether that is a wise use of public funds or not I'll let you debate but there are places where if you are living at home that $4K will cover enough of the costs to make a huge difference. When I went to University I lived at home since we didn't have a lot of money and I couldn't have afforded to move away. Of course it helped that I live in Toronto and was able to go to the best University in Canada at the University of Toronto while I lived at home.

[85suited 0]

You need to work on your reading comprehension when you're wearing your partisan goggles as I think they must get fogged up when you think about Obama as President. The statement clearly says Tuition and you're saying oh my God room and board are expensive. I will give you that the statement that the first $4K in expenses is free is a bit misleading but all it means is that they have the first $4K covered with this plan and the student will have to cover anything above that.If the average Tuition is $6,000 per year at State schools then the statement is accurate. I'm sure there are those who would jump on any plan to pay the entire cost of College as being Socialist and expensive and the slippery slope on the way to Stalinism.The plan basically will help students with $4K to use to help pay their College expenses. Whether that is a wise use of public funds or not I'll let you debate but there are places where if you are living at home that $4K will cover enough of the costs to make a huge difference. When I went to University I lived at home since we didn't have a lot of money and I couldn't have afforded to move away. Of course it helped that I live in Toronto and was able to go to the best University in Canada at the University of Toronto while I lived at home.

I can read just fine... it is what isnt said in this statement:Create the American Opportunity Tax Credit: Obama and Biden will make college affordable for all Americans by creating a new American Opportunity Tax Credit. This universal and fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans, and will cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university and make community college tuition completely free for most students. Recipients of the credit will be required to conduct 100 hours of community service. The problem is most people think they will get free education and it isnt close to being true... Room & board are a huge part of the expense of schooling that is completely left out of this statement..This is typical Political BS (both sides do it I might add). I am sure you could take a hatchet to the schools budgets and find ways to make them more affordable....

[85suited 0]

This is the exact point:America Serves "When you choose to serve -- whether it's your nation, your community or simply your neighborhood -- you are connected to that fundamental American ideal that we want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness not just for ourselves, but for all Americans. That's why it's called the American dream."The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.

The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a yearLooks like they thought better of the word require... probably didnt poll favorably

[copernicus 0]

1) again, I said that we should have free public education. I fully believe in giving them an opportunity. 2) I've got news for you... if their parents don't care about their kids going to school, and the kids don't care about going to school, then them going to school is totally ****ing useless. I know it's this happy, fairy tale dream, that all kids are going to school, work hard at it, become lawyers, fck the prom queen and live happily ever after. But it's just not the case. Some kids are troubled, some are inattentive, some are drug addicts some are outright criminals and sociopaths. I know "most kids don't like going to school" but, what good are they really getting? You know exactly the type of kids i'm talkin gabout, if you went to public school like I did. It was a huge waist of their time. They were stoned, they were disruptive, they skpped classes a bunch of the time, and they were just killing time till they turned 16, when the could just drop out ( which they did). It's a waist of ****ing time and money to teach a 15 year old who's going to drop out at 16 anyway. Why not let him drop out at 15? Because we want to have state sponsored daycare?

And how, without sending them to school and attempting to educate them, do you differentiate between the truly uneducable and those who just need some extra attention?And judging from your spelling in this and many posts, you could have used a few more hours in class.

[copernicus 0]

Yeah, I would call myself a schizophrenic liberal, because I have sympathy for some social welfare programs that true libertarians would shudder at, but I have a large libertarian streak, when it comes to the government making you do things or preventing you from doing them. It's probably because I was basically an anarchist for a while, that it shows up in things like this.

At least you dont call yourself a libertarian (schizo or otherwise) like Bill Maher, and oh yeah, Doug McIntyre do. They showed their true liberal colors in this election.

[SlapStick 0]

Obama harped on about this for awhile at the 9/11 open forum thingy.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

And how, without sending them to school and attempting to educate them, do you differentiate between the truly uneducable and those who just need some extra attention?And judging from your spelling in this and many posts, you could have used a few more hours in class.

Wanna bet on who has the better formal education? I didn't waste my youth as a petty drug dealer

[strategy 4]

And how, without sending them to school and attempting to educate them, do you differentiate between the truly uneducable and those who just need some extra attention?And judging from your spelling in this and many posts, you could have used a few more hours in class.

by the age of 15, you have a pretty good idea about which kid is a piece of shit and which wants to be in school. the time for extra attention was a long time before high school...

[Balloon guy 158]

The world needs ditch diggers too!

[copernicus 0]

Wanna bet on who has the better formal education? I didn't waste my youth as a petty drug dealer

How do you judge "better"? And it wasnt wasted.

[85suited 0]

Rahm Emanuel On Compulsory Service Plan, talking to NY Daily News reporter Ben Smith about his Civil Service Defense Plan from his 2006 co-authored book The PlanSMITH: I meant to ask you about the universal service piece of the plan. Can you tell me about it how is this going to work? Are people going to live in barracks?EMANUEL: Universal Civil Defense Training…I think he had it at 18, but we were saying somewhere between the ages of 18 and 25, you will do three months of training. You can do it in your(inaudible). Some point in college you can do just that. There can be nothing wrong with all Americans having a joint similar experience of civil ...what we call civil defense training or civil service...some sense to country in preparation, which will give people a sense of what it means to be an American. We propose three months. At the end of the day someone says it should be four more. I’m not going to sit here and hold it up. SMITH: I mean it's a lot more than the U.S. government asks of anyone right now.EMANUEL: Guess what? We have a lot more challenges, so we are going to need a lot to do it.SMITH: I mean I don't mean to get hung up on the aesthetics of it, but like uniforms...is it like Europe...people go absentEMANUEL: If you're worried about going to have to do 50 jumping jacks, the answer is "yes." Food for thought

[El Guapo 8]

Rahm Emanuel On Compulsory Service Plan, talking to NY Daily News reporter Ben Smith about his Civil Service Defense Plan from his 2006 co-authored book The PlanSMITH: I meant to ask you about the universal service piece of the plan. Can you tell me about it how is this going to work? Are people going to live in barracks?EMANUEL: Universal Civil Defense Training…I think he had it at 18, but we were saying somewhere between the ages of 18 and 25, you will do three months of training. You can do it in your(inaudible). Some point in college you can do just that. There can be nothing wrong with all Americans having a joint similar experience of civil ...what we call civil defense training or civil service...some sense to country in preparation, which will give people a sense of what it means to be an American. We propose three months. At the end of the day someone says it should be four more. I’m not going to sit here and hold it up. SMITH: I mean it's a lot more than the U.S. government asks of anyone right now.EMANUEL: Guess what? We have a lot more challenges, so we are going to need a lot to do it.SMITH: I mean I don't mean to get hung up on the aesthetics of it, but like uniforms...is it like Europe...people go absentEMANUEL: If you're worried about going to have to do 50 jumping jacks, the answer is "yes." Food for thought

Yeah, and I'm the crazy one because this bothers ME.

[hblask 1]

I know a great symbol that can go on the sleeves of the mandatory uniforms, and a great salute we can do.

[CaneBrain 95]

The world needs ditch diggers too!

such gold.

[CaneBrain 95]

At least you dont call yourself a libertarian (schizo or otherwise) like Bill Maher, and oh yeah, Doug McIntyre do. They showed their true liberal colors in this election.

I think it was less that Maher is a true liberal and more that he has a deep seated hatred for the current Republican party. He was way more off the deep end than usual this year.....he took the Palin selection about as bad as anyone.

[hblask 1]

I think it was less that Maher is a true liberal and more that he has a deep seated hatred for the current Republican party. He was way more off the deep end than usual this year.....he took the Palin selection about as bad as anyone.

I've always liked Maher as a comedian, and use to think I agree with a lot of his politics, but this year he has shown that he's really a semi-informed reactionary. So many of his statements are just knee-jerk anti-corporate anti-republican silliness, I've had to give up listening to him. He gets good guests, but every show gets directed (by Maher) to the same couple of topics where he can get on his soapbox. It's too bad, he could have a good thing. Maybe I'll give him another try after a couple years of Obama ruining the country instead of Bush doing it.

[CaneBrain 95]

I've always liked Maher as a comedian, and use to think I agree with a lot of his politics, but this year he has shown that he's really a semi-informed reactionary. So many of his statements are just knee-jerk anti-corporate anti-republican silliness, I've had to give up listening to him. He gets good guests, but every show gets directed (by Maher) to the same couple of topics where he can get on his soapbox. It's too bad, he could have a good thing. Maybe I'll give him another try after a couple years of Obama ruining the country instead of Bush doing it.

I will be very interested to see if he goes back to "normal" next season with Obama in the White House. He definitely had a couple subjects he wanted to talk about this season (particularly the transformation of the GOP from William Buckley to Sara Palin---something I agree with him on) and made sure the show went there over and over.

[hblask 1]

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=e4qG6UIr8z

[Loismustdie 0]

Yeah, and I'm the crazy one because this bothers ME.

Lol. The great thing about this country is if they decide to push us enough we will organize, just not for them, and they will be out of power once again.

[copernicus 0]

Lol. The great thing about this country is if they decide to push us enough we will organize, just not for them, and they will be out of power once again.

the question is how long it will take to recover from their policies. We had a war to bail us out of the depression.

[Balloon guy 158]

the question is how long it will take to recover from their policies. We had a war to bail us out of the depression.

Well if we start the War on Canada campaign now.By the time we need it, it should be ready

[The Lobster 0]

I'm late to the party, but I was required to do 10 hours of community service each year in high school, plus we were given 2 weeks off senior year that we worked two straight 40 hour weeks of community service.In college, to fulfill a $4k/year scholarship, I needed to do 40 hours of service each year.Both of these were technically optional, as HS was at a private school and the college scholarship was obviously not forced upon me, but all of it were good experiences.I don't really know where I am going with this, but that is what I did growing up, and I believe I am a better person for it.

[nutzbuster 7]

I'm late to the party, but I was required to do 10 hours of community service each year in high school, plus we were given 2 weeks off senior year that we worked two straight 40 hour weeks of community service.In college, to fulfill a $4k/year scholarship, I needed to do 40 hours of service each year.Both of these were technically optional, as HS was at a private school and the college scholarship was obviously not forced upon me, but all of it were good experiences.I don't really know where I am going with this, but that is what I did growing up, and I believe I am a better person for it.

OMG GET OUTTA HERE!!!