The Official Southern State Secession Thread

[Nimue1995 1]

well in my experience the retarded are extremely racist, so I figure it's ok.

Not any I know. In fact, most of them love everybody.

[Sal Paradise 57]

Not any I know. In fact, most of them love everybody.

well to be fair, the only ones I've met have been at klan meetings, so that could be the root cause.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

well to be fair, the only ones I've met have been at klan meetings, so that could be the root cause.

Don't forget the Retard singles mixers you like to trowel. Nothing hotter than drunk 'tard 'tang.

[20TN40 0]

That all may be true but it doesn't change the fact that it's a symbol of both historic and current racism and to deny that is pretty telling. The Swastika is a sacred symbol to Hindus but it doesn't change the fact that's it's also a symbol of Nazism and all that it represents.

So Hindus should stop using the swastika because the Nazi's chose to use it and at the same time, any Hindu sporting a swasticka completely and totally stands for Nazism? Pink is now the national color for breast cancer awareness but since pink is closely related to Pinko, all breast cancer awareness members must be communist?At one point in history, only royalty could wear blue and purple so in current times, anyone wearing blue and purple must think they are royalty?And BTW, most folks in the South refer to it as the REBEL flag and use it as a symbol of rebellion against most anything mainstream.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

So Hindus should stop using the swastika because the Nazi's chose to use it and at the same time, any Hindu sporting a swasticka completely and totally stands for Nazism? Pink is now the national color for breast cancer awareness but since pink is closely related to Pinko, all breast cancer awareness members must be communist?At one point in history, only royalty could wear blue and purple so in current times, anyone wearing blue and purple must think they are royalty?And BTW, most folks in the South refer to it as the REBEL flag and use it as a symbol of rebellion against most anything mainstream.

We're not talking about ancient history, okay. there are people alive who's family members were murdered in desegregation, people alive who remember drinking in Colored fountains. Your royalty comparison is borderline insane. Also, Red is the international color for communism, not pink. They are called "pinkos" because pink is a lighter shade of red, and thus a progressives at the time would have been considered a "lighter form of communism", IE socialists. Pinko was an insult, pink was never an actually symbol. IT's called the Rebel flag, because the south fought a rebellion against the union, and confederates were known as rebels. The fact that it is openly treasonous doesn't really make the case stronger for it's usage, imo. But, I will grant you, the treasonous aspect of the flag has faded, with time. The racist symbolism of that flag is still alive and well. If the racist ties dead, racist whites from the north, with no southern ties what so ever, would not sport confederate flags. And, if you say, "it's only racist in the north, in the south it's just a symbol of southern pride" then you're just delusional.

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Thanks McGee I was going to ask the same thing. Though they might deny it to themselves, the Confederate flag does represent a historical time in history when white people owned black people as property. It will be a very very long time before that ever changes if it ever does. Chances are the United States will not longer exist as a nation before that. For southern pride you can do better.

Google brings up several images of blacks flying a rebel flag. You folks from the north can diss on it all you want but the Confederate flag represents a time in history when the South rebelled from northern agression and was much more than a slave issue. If all it means to you is whites owning slaves then it is YOU who needs to brush up on your history.

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This guy obv didn't understand the memo

And the story behind that picture should be a MUST READ for anyone that believes that the only thing the Confederate flag represents is slavery.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

Google brings up several images of blacks flying a rebel flag.

And I can google several images of chicks blowing donkeys, it doesn't mean it's typical behavior.

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But, more than that, it got brought back to the south as a symbol of segregation. This whole "southern pride"movement was as a direct result of the federal mandates forcing the south to desegregate. The Southern flags started being displayed on court houses as a blatant and obvious symbol of racist defiance. Just because today's youth is too stupid to know what happened five years ago, much less in the 50's, doesn't mean it's any less of a racist symbol. And when someone flies the Southern Flag in Indiana, you can have no doubt what message they are trying to get across.

And you know that, how? Your ancestors fought for which side? You are making assumptions because that's what you choose to believe.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

And you know that, how? Your ancestors fought for which side? You are making assumptions because that's what you choose to believe.

LOL, so people, who were raised in the north, are flying the confederate flag, because their "ancestors" fought in the war, and they are celebrating their southern heritage? LMAO yeah, that seems likely.

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We're not talking about ancient history, okay. there are people alive who's family members were murdered in desegregation, people alive who remember drinking in Colored fountains. Your royalty comparison is borderline insane. Also, Red is the international color for communism, not pink. They are called "pinkos" because pink is a lighter shade of red, and thus a progressives at the time would have been considered a "lighter form of communism", IE socialists. Pinko was an insult, pink was never an actually symbol. IT's called the Rebel flag, because the south fought a rebellion against the union, and confederates were known as rebels. The fact that it is openly treasonous doesn't really make the case stronger for it's usage, imo. But, I will grant you, the treasonous aspect of the flag has faded, with time. The racist symbolism of that flag is still alive and well. If the racist ties dead, racist whites from the north, with no southern ties what so ever, would not sport confederate flags. And, if you say, "it's only racist in the north, in the south it's just a symbol of southern pride" then you're just delusional.

Just for reference, how long have you lived in the South?

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

Just for reference, how long have you lived in the South?

just for a reference, what did I say that was untrue? The confederate flag is a celebration of white southern culture, not southern culture, period. Me, personally, I don't care if you all fly it or not, I really don't care, it's your right to do it. But I think you're in utter denial to think it has no racial overtones.

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LOL, so people, who were raised in the north, are flying the confederate flag, because their "ancestors" fought in the war, and they are celebrating their southern heritage? LMAO yeah, that seems likely.

I have no idea, nor do I care, why people raised in the north are flying the confederate flag but I'd guess that it means something entirely different to them than it does someone who was born and raised in the South and who's ancestors fought for the South in the Civil War. Do you think the American Indians should stop displaying symbols of their Indian heritage just because they were overthrown by the US government? If you choose to look at the Confederate flag as a symbol of hate, you can do that. But it doesn't mean that I can't look at it as a symbol of heritage. Simply means that our perseptions are different and I find that almost.......exciting.

[vbnautilus 48]

So Hindus should stop using the swastika because the Nazi's chose to use it and at the same time, any Hindu sporting a swasticka completely and totally stands for Nazism?

Anyone using the swastika today outside of a Hindu village or a Jain temple can reasonably expect the symbol to be interpreted as a sign of Naziism. It is an unfortunate turn of history that this nice symbol was co-opted for something evil, but it was. Its meaning is so strongly associated with Naziism for most of the world that a Hindu insisting that it means Brahma is not going to really change that for us.

Google brings up several images of blacks flying a rebel flag. You folks from the north can diss on it all you want but the Confederate flag represents a time in history when the South rebelled from northern agression and was much more than a slave issue. If all it means to you is whites owning slaves then it is YOU who needs to brush up on your history.

Meaning isn't determined by who is most informed about history. The confederate flag is so strongly associated with slavery and racism for most of us in the north that it's fair to say that's what it means to us. I think rather than dismissing that as "wrong" it's probably worthwhile for you to consider that it means that to a lot of people when you use it. For example, I could use the n-word around a bunch of black people and if they get angry I could insist they study their latin to understand that it only means "black". Frankly it doesn't really matter what it means to me. If it is offensive to them and if I use it knowing what it means to them, it doesn't really make sense to be defiant about their reaction. If you fly the confederate flag, know that it is going to be interpreted as a racist act by many before you make that decision.

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just for a reference, what did I say that was untrue? The confederate flag is a celebration of white southern culture, not southern culture, period. Me, personally, I don't care if you all fly it or not, I really don't care, it's your right to do it. But I think you're in utter denial to think it has no racial overtones.

You are incorrectly stating that you know with complete certainty that when I wear my rebel flag tshirt, that it means that I'm a racist. That may be what it means to you but that is not what it means to me.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

You are incorrectly stating that you know with complete certainty that when I wear my rebel flag tshirt, that it means that I'm a racist. That may be what it means to you but that is not what it means to me.

No, I'm saying, it's irrelevant what it means to you, it's still a racist symbo, and black people are going to take it as such. You can wear a swastika, and insist that you're just a hindu sunworshiper, and may very well mean it sincerely. But don't be shocked with a jew spits in your face.

[20TN40 0]

Anyone using the swastika today outside of a Hindu village or a Jain temple can reasonably expect the symbol to be interpreted as a sign of Naziism. It is an unfortunate turn of history that this nice symbol was co-opted for something evil, but it was. Its meaning is so strongly associated with Naziism for most of the world that a Hindu insisting that it means Brahma is not going to really change that for us. Meaning isn't determined by who is most informed about history. The confederate flag is so strongly associated with slavery and racism for most of us in the north that it's fair to say that's what it means to us. I think rather than dismissing that as "wrong" it's probably worthwhile for you to consider that it means that to a lot of people when you use it. For example, I could use the n-word around a bunch of black people and if they get angry I could insist they study their latin to understand that it only means "black". Frankly it doesn't really matter what it means to me. If it is offensive to them and if I use it knowing what it means to them, it doesn't really make sense to be defiant about their reaction. If you fly the confederate flag, know that it is going to be interpreted as a racist act by many before you make that decision.

One day VB, you and I must sit down with some drinks of choice and have long drawn out conversations about everything! I absolutely adore you!Okay, so I'm an old curmudgeon (but so is BigD!) and I refuse to submit to all the new meanings for stuff. I vow from this day forward to think Hindu any time I see a swasticka. And there is also something derogatory (I think witchcraft) that is associated with the Star of David, but I still think Israel when I see it. For years when I played softball, I rolled up my shirtsleeves until I essentially had a sleeveless jersey. Did you know that that is now some sort of universal signal that you are gay? Remember when a guy pierced his ear and right was gay, left was straight? And now we hardly give that a thought.I've never used the n word and I've never been called a cracker. All I can say is that my reality does not fit with BigD's perception.

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No, I'm saying, it's irrelevant what it means to you, it's still a racist symbo, and black people are going to take it as such. You can wear a swastika, and insist that you're just a hindu sunworshiper, and may very well mean it sincerely. But don't be shocked with a jew spits in your face.

That's your opinion and I'm not finding it sexy at all.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

And there is also something derogatory (I think witchcraft) that is associated with the Star of David, but I still think Israel when I see it.

LOL I think you are confusing the star of david ( 6 sided star) with the pentagram ( 5 pointed star). Yes, the star of david was associated with devil and witchcraft.. but that was because jews were associated with the devil during the middle ages. Today, the pentagram is still a pagan symbol.. of what, I'm not sure, but all the hot goth chicks have pentgram necklaces ( or anhks, if they are really hot)

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LOL I think you are confusing the star of david ( 6 sided star) with the pentagram ( 5 pointed star). Yes, the star of david was associated with devil and witchcraft.. but that was because jews were associated with the devil during the middle ages. Today, the pentagram is still a pagan symbol.. of what, I'm not sure, but all the hot goth chicks have pentgram necklaces ( or anhks, if they are really hot)

[edit] Usage in occultismThe hexagram, like the pentagram, was and is used in practices of the occult and is attributed to the 7 'old' planets outlined in astrology.The six-pointed star is commonly used both as a talisman and for conjuring spirits in the practice of witchcraft. In the Book The History and Practice of Magic, Vol. 2, the six-pointed star is called the talisman of Saturn and it is also referred to as the Seal of Solomon.^[1] Details are given in this book on how to make these symbols and the materials to use.Dr. John Dee, the court astrologist of Queen Elizabeth I, in his book Hieroglyphic Monad, includes the following quote:

"'Mahatma Letters,' page 345: 'The double triangle viewed by the Jewish Kabbalists as Solomon's Seal is...the Sri--Antana of the Archaic Aryan Temple, the Mystery of Mysteries, a geometrical synthesis of the whole occult doctrine. The two interlaced triangles are the Buddham-Gums of Creation. They contain the 'squaring of the Circle,' the 'Philosophers' Stone,' the great problems of Life and Death--the mystery of Evil. The Chela who can explain this sign from every one of its aspects is virtually an Adept.'"

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In the Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, we read:

"The interlacing triangles or deltas symbolize the union of the two principles or forces, the active and passive, male and female, pervading the universe... The two triangles, one white and the other black, interlacing, typify the mingling of apparent opposites in nature, darkness and light, error and truth, ignorance and wisdom, evil and good, throughout human life."

^[3]

Bradley, author of Secrets of the Freemasons, claims:

"the hexagram is widely associated with the occult, and is considered the most powerful of Satan's symbols, containing '666.' Occultists also call it the 'trud' and use it in necromantic ceremonies to summon evil spirits."

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[BigDMcGee 3,355]

[edit] Usage in occultismThe hexagram, like the pentagram, was and is used in practices of the occult and is attributed to the 7 'old' planets outlined in astrology.The six-pointed star is commonly used both as a talisman and for conjuring spirits in the practice of witchcraft. In the Book The History and Practice of Magic, Vol. 2, the six-pointed star is called the talisman of Saturn and it is also referred to as the Seal of Solomon.^[1] Details are given in this book on how to make these symbols and the materials to use.Dr. John Dee, the court astrologist of Queen Elizabeth I, in his book Hieroglyphic Monad, includes the following quote:

"'Mahatma Letters,' page 345: 'The double triangle viewed by the Jewish Kabbalists as Solomon's Seal is...the Sri--Antana of the Archaic Aryan Temple, the Mystery of Mysteries, a geometrical synthesis of the whole occult doctrine. The two interlaced triangles are the Buddham-Gums of Creation. They contain the 'squaring of the Circle,' the 'Philosophers' Stone,' the great problems of Life and Death--the mystery of Evil. The Chela who can explain this sign from every one of its aspects is virtually an Adept.'"

^[2]

In the Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, we read:

"The interlacing triangles or deltas symbolize the union of the two principles or forces, the active and passive, male and female, pervading the universe... The two triangles, one white and the other black, interlacing, typify the mingling of apparent opposites in nature, darkness and light, error and truth, ignorance and wisdom, evil and good, throughout human life."

^[3]

Bradley, author of Secrets of the Freemasons, claims:

"the hexagram is widely associated with the occult, and is considered the most powerful of Satan's symbols, containing '666.' Occultists also call it the 'trud' and use it in necromantic ceremonies to summon evil spirits."

^[4]

Do you not see how all of that is tied in to judaism? Do you know who solomon was? It's use in "witchcraft" and it's association with witchcraft doesn't not predate Judaism, it is associated with witchcraft because of judaism. Kabbalah (traditional, not Madonna style) is Jewish occultism, "jewish witchcraft" if you want to call it that.I also caution you against using "The Secrets of the Freemasons" as some sort of scholarly source.

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Do you not see how all of that is tied in to judaism? Do you know who solomon was? It's use in "witchcraft" and it's association with witchcraft doesn't not predate Judaism, it is associated with witchcraft because of judaism. Kabbalah (traditional, not Madonna style) is Jewish occultism, "jewish witchcraft" if you want to call it that.I also caution you against using "The Secrets of the Freemasons" as some sort of scholarly source.

1) No2) Yes3) I agree4) We'll leave the Freemason's out of all discussions, I was just posting information I found about the Star of David because you thought I didn't know the difference between a hexagram and a pentagram, when in fact I did remember that there were discussions about whether or not the Star of David was somehow related to the occult.5) Totally off topic and unrelated (except for our apparent closeness in age), how old are you and where do you hail from?

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

1) No2) Yes3) I agree4) We'll leave the Freemason's out of all discussions, I was just posting information I found about the Star of David because you thought I didn't know the difference between a hexagram and a pentagram, when in fact I did remember that there were discussions about whether or not the Star of David was somehow related to the occult.5) Totally off topic and unrelated (except for our apparent closeness in age), how old are you and where do you hail from?

lol but my point was, that the star of david, while has uses in some obscure branches of the occult, isn't an 'occult symbol' ( unless you consider jews, by their nature, to be occult), so I figured it was much more likely you were confusing it with the pentagram, which has wide spread usage, including like a pop cultural connection to the occult, so that seemed more likely.I wasn't talking about the freemasons, I was talking about hat specific book , which is by a huckster, and anything in it ( like the supposed connection of the star of david with the devil) should be viewed with extreme skepticism. Here's a link to some book reviewshttp://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Secre...60772157/?itm=7 I am 31 and from Nebraska, which helped cause the civil war, I'm proud to say.

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lol but my point was, that the star of david, while has uses in some obscure branches of the occult, isn't an 'occult symbol' ( unless you consider jews, by their nature, to be occult), so I figured it was much more likely you were confusing it with the pentagram, which has wide spread usage, including like a pop cultural connection to the occult, so that seemed more likely.I wasn't talking about the freemasons, I was talking about hat specific book , which is by a huckster, and anything in it ( like the supposed connection of the star of david with the devil) should be viewed with extreme skepticism. Here's a link to some book reviewshttp://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Secre...60772157/?itm=7I am 31 and from Nebraska, which helped cause the civil war, I'm proud to say.

Holy shit, you're practically still in diapers! Did you know that "the upside down 5 pointed star" is the symbol of the Eastern Star, the female associates of the Masons? I'm sure you did, cause you apparently read a lot. But like I said, I'll drop the Mason discussion because I'm certain that would cause a whole nother Civil war. LOL

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

Holy shit, you're practically still in diapers! Did you know that "the upside down 5 pointed star" is the symbol of the Eastern Star, the female associates of the Masons?

Yes I do, my mother's a member of the eastern star.