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I want to make something clear.I am rooting for Obama to succeed. I really hope that he a centrist like so many of you believe, and not a far left socialist like he say's.I think it is a great thing for our country that people we able to put the color of someone skin aside and vote them into the highest office in the land.I am frightened about some of the things he has proposed, but as long as Congress does not have a major majority I don't think a lot of them will get passed.I hope he really doesn't make John Kerry Secretary of State.I hope people don't throw him under the bus in 6 months when everything is not fixed.I hope Joe Biden doesn't speak to any foreign countries leaders any time soon.
Also, everything that goes to shit will still be Bush's fault.Other than that, I completely agree here. nh Sean.
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Yes, this is horrible, this post.

Turns out I'd do, what I've always done, cash farm subsidy checks and compulsively masturbate.

The majority didn't vote against him. The majority stayed home.   The GOP candidate had less votes in 2016 than in 2012 or 2008, when they lost both times.   Dems (and repubs) just HATED Hillar

Funny, I had a friend say to me today the difference between republicans and democrats is that republicans are sorry Obama won, but hope he succeeds because that's good for the countryDemocrats were sorry Bush won, and hoped that he would fail because that would be good for their party
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Well you got one thing right.For the non-Christian, this is as good as it ever gets.For the Christian, this is the worst it will ever be.
Perfect. I love it. Excellent characterization of the religious view of life. That life is a misery to be suffered until something better is granted in the undefined and undefinable hereafter. For the secularist: Life is all there is, and is limited by time. Therefore "as good as it gets" is beyond good enough. Life is a splendid journey to be treasured and revered BECAUSE it is limited by time. Even the difficulties and strife are to be treasured, because we exist to treasure them.
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Perfect. I love it. Excellent characterization of the religious view of life. That life is a misery to be suffered until something better is granted in the undefined and undefinable hereafter. For the secularist: Life is all there is, and is limited by time. Therefore "as good as it gets" is beyond good enough. Life is a splendid journey to be treasured and revered BECAUSE it is limited by time. Even the difficulties and strife are to be treasured, because we exist to treasure them.
Some like Brocolli.Some don'twtf?
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Some like Brocolli.Some don'twtf?
That's fine, until the broccoli lovers insist that everyone else eat broccoli too. Which they currently spend millions to do.
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I disagree Henry. At one time a black man was only considered 3/5 of a person. They had to sit at the back of the bus, had separate eating areas, schools, could not own property (we owned them!). Those were all national things, not individual. That made our country racist against blacks. Pretty much until the 1960's. Then it changed, our county rejected old flawed beliefs, yet some individuals continued to believe that way, making them racist, but no longer our country.
Well, that's basically saying the legal system was racist, which is very specific and accurate. Saying a nation is racist has many implications that extend far beyond the legal system. So I guess if it's clear that the statement "Nation XYZ is racist" is talking about laws that differentiate between races, I guess I can agree. But in a context like this discussion, where people are saying "Despite Obama's victory, we are still a racist nation", the answer is no, we're not, and haven't been for a long time. We haven't have any laws like that for 40 years. So I'll amend my earlier statement to this: in the absence of explicitly racist laws, a nation cannot be racist, only certain residents of that nation can be racist. And the US doesn't have that many outright racists anyway, they are a dwindling minority.
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That's fine, until the broccoli lovers insist that everyone else eat broccoli too. Which they currently spend millions to do.
freedom of speech/religion/choice ftw!You don't have to buy what they are selling. I don't think anyone is forcing anything that they don't want?Admittedly, not sure how this started so I'll bail out here.....
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Funny, I had a friend say to me today the difference between republicans and democrats is that republicans are sorry Obama won, but hope he succeeds because that's good for the countryDemocrats were sorry Bush won, and hoped that he would fail because that would be good for their party
I think that's a bad generalization - obv I live on the left coast but you switch the words democrats with republicans in your post and that's how many folks here think. That the Republicans are just looking to pounce on every Obama decision to make him look bad and it'll start even before he sets foot in office.Myself, I can tell that Republicans like You, Guapo and Nutz will give Obama a fair shake (Cop put out a list of what a successful Obama administration would mean so it'll be hard for him, but I think he can be objective) but I can also tell that other conservative posters on this board do not feel the same way at all and are just hoping that Obama will fail since it'll be good for the GOP.
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Racism implies free will and independent thought. A "nation" does not have those, only the people who live there have those characteristics. This is one of the Big Lies of statism, that a "nation" can have personality traits and desires. It just doesn't.
Sure it does. Why do you think it doesn't, because it is just a collection of people? People are just collections of cells. Motivations and intentions are higher order properties of complex systems and nations absolutely demonstrate them.
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I think that's a bad generalization - obv I live on the left coast but you switch the words democrats with republicans in your post and that's how many folks here think. That the Republicans are just looking to pounce on every Obama decision to make him look bad and it'll start even before he sets foot in office.Myself, I can tell that Republicans like You, Guapo and Nutz will give Obama a fair shake (Cop put out a list of what a successful Obama administration would mean so it'll be hard for him, but I think he can be objective) but I can also tell that other conservative posters on this board do not feel the same way at all and are just hoping that Obama will fail since it'll be good for the GOP.
God, you really can see the five stages of grief and loss, live and in Technicolor in this thread, it's fascinating.
I am trying very hard to be hopeful and genuinely give this guy an honest shot. I have prayed about it and talked to my democrat friends, white, black, gay, etc. Most are sympathetic.I hear what they are saying, and I want to believe it will all work out., but it cuts so hard against the natural grain that it is a struggle. I admit it. But I am trying.As far as the 5 stages, LOL! What do you expect? Give us some room...we'll try to get thru it.Signed, very cautiously optimistic.(btw, the stock market is taking another dump. This effects everyone, whether you invest or not. Not good. )
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As far as the 5 stages, LOL! What do you expect? Give us some room...we'll try to get thru it.
LOL it's pretty much exactly what I expected. It's just entertaining to watch, but I'm a sadist, so I take pleasure in other's pain and suffering.
(btw, the stock market is taking another dump. This effects everyone, whether you invest or not. Not good. )
yeah, it's been taking a dump for a while now, if you hadn't noticed. BUt, it's not exactly a shock to me that Obama getting elected would cause a down turn. There are bigger problems with our economy then speculator's fearing a Democratic presidency.
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Sure it does. Why do you think it doesn't, because it is just a collection of people? People are just collections of cells. Motivations and intentions are higher order properties of complex systems and nations absolutely demonstrate them.
The comparison between a person being a collection of cells and a nation being a collection of people is frivolous.But even if it wasn't, if you had a few cells that had toxic lead in them, would you say that you were a "toxic lead person"?Words, and the way we use them, matter. Pretending a nation has a brain that is the equivalent of a human brain leads to all sorts of bad decision-making.
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So far the names that have been floated around for positions in the Obama Whitehouse sound more Clintonian than anything else. Haven't seen any flaming socialist names on the short lists,lol. I can always hope for Pelosi to be given a cushy do-nothing cabinet post though can't I? As far as I'm concerned anything that gets her out of the Speaker position is a plus,lol. Sorry I know I'm hard on Pelosi but she is such a freakin' dumbass it's hard not to. Who are the Democrats that actually vote for her? Does anybody here vote in her district and is there any reason why they vote for her except for the pork she can bring home?

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no precedent? in what respect?
in that things have changed since Bush first won (as you have acknowledged) and the GOP has not yet lost a presidential race since 2000. We will see what is going on in 2011 or so. I have no clue what to expect but I am not going to automatically assume the GOP will be any better or worse losers than the Dems.
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Again you missed the point. 1. Nobody could turn around this economy in a short period of time, so that is moot no matter who was president.2. There is a difference with expecting someone to do a bad job, and hoping he does a bad job.3. I don't grudgingly support him. I fully support him. He is our president, I do not hope he messed up so the GOP can get back power. That is inevitable.
You may fully support him. I doubt the majority of McCain supporters will. As per #2, I believe that the Dems fit this (and my post). At first they expected a bad job, then in the 2nd term they were almost hoping he would. And I think you will see the same thing with conservatives now. At first they will expect bad, but support him and hope for good. if things dont start turning around, they will shift to almost hoping for bad so that they can regain power in 2016 and fix things.
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Lol that's funny H. MSNBC are going over possible Obama cabinet choices now. Looks like he did choose a Chief of Staff, Ron Immanuel (not sure how it's spelled). And from my understanding he worked for the Clinton Whitehouse as well.
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what is it about the pelosi hate? serious question, since we don't hear so much about her over here

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what is it about the pelosi hate? serious question, since we don't hear so much about her over here
She's a hardass socialist-leaning, witch who will put making Republicans looking bad over accomplishing anything. Make Dick Cheney a leftist Democrat and a woman and you have Nancy Pelosi. Only she's not as smart politically as Cheney.
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3. I don't grudgingly support him. I fully support him. He is our president, I do not hope he messed up so the GOP can get back power. That is inevitable.
LOL you're so disingenuous it's a joke... let me bring something back up...
EVERY CONSERVATIVE LISTEN CLOSELY.The keeping the 60% major majority out of the hands of the democrats is larger than losing the general election.This will hopefully keep any radical socialist programs at bay.Of all the things that Obama has said publicly, by far the scariest is his citizen brigade that will be as well armed, manned and funded as our military.This is how Adolf Hitler took power with his SA that overtook the military. I don't say this lightly. I am not throwing out hyperbole. I am not saying that is what is going to happen here, but the similarities in ideals is frightening. I can't help repeating the same cliche':"Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it"
You called Obama a fascist, and you compared him to Hitler. This is "fully supporting" our new president? Give me an fing break. If I considered any president an actual fascist, I would 100 percent not support their presidency, and root for their impeachment/assassination the entire time. I strongly doubt you understand what the word fascist really means, but at any rate, you're certainly using it as a pejorative, and not in a supportive way.
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Christian policy is about hatred for man, hatred for Reason, control of behavior for the express purpose of accumulating power, and propagating the expression of fantasy as a substitute for reality. And I am definitely NOT advocating UNITING behind a President who plans to destroy the principles of the Founding Fathers by trashing Freedom in favor of collectivist statist economic slavery. Obama is going to crash, burn, and explode and I will do whatever I can to hasten the public's understanding of his Leftist programs as they begin to crystallize. He is going down hard in my estimation and the American people deserve the economic spanking they are about to endure at the hands of such an awful selection.However, there is a silver lining in every cloud. Hence my enjoyment at the fake, phony, fraudulent, Christian Conservative movement and it's band of powerlusting Preachers who constantly quote their QVC buyers manual for the soul (The Bible) in an effort to suppress successful existence in the only realm in which any of us will ever exist.
Your assumptions are wrong on so many levels. Have you ever met a Christian? Have you even read a chapter in the Bible?
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Your assumptions are wrong on so many levels. Have you ever met a Christian? Have you even read a chapter in the Bible?
Chances are the only "Christians" he's seen are on TV.
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Your assumptions are wrong on so many levels. Have you ever met a Christian? Have you even read a chapter in the Bible?
This is pretty disingenuous also.Sure, not all Christians are "in your face", but "they" sure want to change you into something they find acceptable. If accepting God is subscribing to some kind of horseshit like The Rapture, then fcuk you, Jack, keep your Rapture to yourself and I'll suffer the consequences.If God is, as I suspect, the humanity and compassion within us all and our inherent ability to adapt and accept change and revel in our differences as well as our sameness, then count me in for one big end-of-the-world group hug. Don't ****ing come to my door and tell me I ain't going up to Heaven unless I toe the party line or send $$$ to some 1-800 evangelist who lives pretty fckn good compared to his "flock".Grrrr...Religion make mini-Hulk MAAAAAD!
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In the Minnesota Senate race, with the recount underway, Republican Norm Coleman's lead over Comedian Nutcase Al Franken has shrunk to 337 votes.Normally, I'll vote for anyone but the Democrats or Republicans, and Minnesota had a decent third party candidate from the Independence Party, who got 15% of the vote. But in this case, despite the polls, I had a feeling this race would be close and I didn't think I could live with myself if I helped Franken get in. So I did something I normally don't do, I held my nose and voted for the lesser of two evils. Interestingly enough, though we hadn't talked about it, my wife did the same thing. If the two of us did it, how many others did? More than 300 out of the 3 million votes cast? Hmmmm..... that's, let's see, 300 out of 3 million, divide by 100, drop the decimal place..... that's like 42%. Oh wait, that's one out of every 30,000 people (one per each suburban-city-sized area). And if they were going to vote for Franken because he used to be funny when he was young, but decided that's a bad reason to vote for a nutcase, then it requires even fewer people to have voter's remorse.

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