Babying 613 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Wasn't just pointing out sabres. Grouping Richards in there. The Richards contract is terrible. Sure with the new rules they can get away easier but also can get Royally screwed in the end. It's not even the cap hit. By paying someone that money you are putting pressure on the coach. I'm sure Sather said we paid this guy $24 million (prorated lockout) last two years and you are playing on the 4th line. If I'm torts. I come back with " we'll you stupid cigar chomping moron, you paid him that money. Not me I totally agree with you. Slats however has been able to get rid of these god awful contracts (Redden, Drury, Gomez). Let's see what he does with Richards. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 To be fair, nobody but nobody predicted Richards' decline in play the past 18 months or so...he should have still been in his prime and instead he's getting outworked and outscored by Derek Stepan and by a pretty wide margin. It's entirely possible that Torts is the problem there, but you would think he'd know how to get the best out of Richards since their best career season was together. I badly wanted Buffalo to sign Richards so I can't fault Sather for getting it done. If you're being honest, you wanted him wearing the Maple Leaf too...maybe not at the eventual contract but if he was making $5.5 million per like Grabovski you would have been thrilled and then ultimately disappointed by the player that came with the contract at this point. Hindsight and all that. Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 To be fair, nobody but nobody predicted Richards' decline in play the past 18 months or so...he should have still been in his prime and instead he's getting outworked and outscored by Derek Stepan and by a pretty wide margin. It's entirely possible that Torts is the problem there, but you would think he'd know how to get the best out of Richards since their best career season was together. I badly wanted Buffalo to sign Richards so I can't fault Sather for getting it done. If you're being honest, you wanted him wearing the Maple Leaf too...maybe not at the eventual contract but if he was making $5.5 million per like Grabovski you would have been thrilled and then ultimately disappointed by the player that came with the contract at this point. Hindsight and all that. Yes wanted him as a Leaf but never for a contract where we are paying him when he is 40. Find it kind of strange since he supposedly loved playing for Torts. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Dave Hodge - TSN @TSNDaveHodge 1h It's a natural: John Tortorella as Rob Ford's press secretary. Link to post Share on other sites
Fenxis 99 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 @MGaborik10: Everything happens for a reason... Link to post Share on other sites
ProxyCentauri 2 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Norway's got 1(!) player in the NHL at the moment, #36 Zuccarello in the Rangers. (Ex Flyers Defenseman Tollefsen is said to leave his swedish club for another stay in the NHL-not confirmed) Wander whats going to happen now.. Zucca is on restricted free agent. His relationship to Sather has always been good- but then again- Mr Sather may not be in the organistation in the autumn either. Maybe the Rangers bosses wanna do a clean sweep and start with a completely new sports administration too? Exciting times.. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I would love to go to Norway one day...Along with Sweden and Finland. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Tore Vikingstad tho Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Email Print Rangers players made it clear to Sather coach’s act was wearing thin Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Brooksie can stick his unnamed sources up his ass. That's what Torts would probably say. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Maybe the mother from That 70s Show is available to coach the Rangers. She might bake them cookies after they lose. Link to post Share on other sites
Fenxis 99 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Brooksie can stick his unnamed sources up his ass. Sounds like Lundqvist wasn't going to resign in NY if Torts was still around. Link to post Share on other sites
ProxyCentauri 2 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Well Torts was at least honest when he said he took the blame for not getting the best out of the players. It is really amazing how guys like Nash and Richards not only underperformed in the playoffs, but never really got anything going during the whole season. One would expect more from such gifted players. I have always liked Rick Nash. He impressed year after year in a bleak team. His qualities are undisputed, being able to produce so much with such mediocre teammates. This ought to have been his chance, at least on the paper. Going from a truly mediocre team to a team with a lot of young talent which not yet had blossomed. I expected Rick to ignite some of the hidden talent in that Ranger team. Instead I have never ever seen him so bleak. In match after match. It is truly remarkable and Torts gotta take some if not all of the blame for this Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I don't think Torts knew how to use his best players. He's better with grinders. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 He's the kind of guy now, who could take a blue collar type team, low on stars, like a Phoenix or a Nashville, and get them into the playoffs, and maybe win a round or two. Link to post Share on other sites
ProxyCentauri 2 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I don't think Torts knew how to use his best players. He's better with grinders. Zach, you may be spot on. Why would a guy like Stephan blossom so much under Torts, while a guy like Nash underperforming? It is truly remarkable Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Good question. He's not really a grinder. Speed maybe? Link to post Share on other sites
iBeaver 409 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Maybe Nash just isn't as awesome as people think he is. I've always though he was highly overrated. Has he ever scored 70pts in a season. I honestly don't know. But will go look. Link to post Share on other sites
iBeaver 409 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Once in 2008 Link to post Share on other sites
Fenxis 99 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Maybe Nash just isn't as awesome as people think he is. I've always though he was highly overrated. Has he ever scored 70pts in a season. I honestly don't know. But will go look. He's looked pretty awesome when playing for Team Canada at international events... but with all-star centers kind of hard not to. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Maybe Nash just isn't as awesome as people think he is. I've always though he was highly overrated. Has he ever scored 70pts in a season. I honestly don't know. But will go look. I agree. He usually underperforms, imo. The glimpses of greatness show his potential, but they're few and far between. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I mean, the eye test helps out a little here. He has shown he can be a strong power forward. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I don't think Torts knew how to use his best players. He's better with grinders. Seems like he is just incredibly demanding. Which is the opposite of what would work with Richards, Nash and Gaborik, based on their previous reputations. It works with grinders, and it is hit-and-miss with young players. He's the kind of guy now, who could take a blue collar type team, low on stars, like a Phoenix or a Nashville, and get them into the playoffs, and maybe win a round or two. This is my thought too, but doesn't explain his success with Tampa Bay. I do think his style lends itself well to winning, in that people are more likely to strongly buy in to anything extreme if it is going well - so he's likely to win a lot and lose a lot. Link to post Share on other sites
ProxyCentauri 2 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 This is my thought too, but doesn't explain his success with Tampa Bay. I do think his style lends itself well to winning, in that people are more likely to strongly buy in to anything extreme if it is going well - so he's likely to win a lot and lose a lot. Very good point He actually won the bucket with a truly underdog team. Hard guy to figure out Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Don't forget the Tampa success was in the old pre-lockout NHL. Peak of the dead puck era. Link to post Share on other sites
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