Kk Against A Maniac

[Paul Brevard 0]

Hey guys, I need a little input. I play tons of tournaments and very little cash. Played cash for about 1 1/2 years with semi-positive results. Decided I would expand my repertoire, so to say, and I'm having a little trouble.I would like a hand analysis on this. This is new to me so please advise if I give too much information on these things and I'll make adjustments1/3 table. 1 excellent player (not me!) who plays every night and I was waiting for the 2/5 table to open, 5 rocks, 1 new first timer that played any face card with a $15 dollar raise, 1 maniac that played every hand and raised every time after the flop if no one else raised (as did the new player), and me. I had played about 10% of the hands. Played tight. Was up about $25-$30 and lost it when I turned top to pair and I folded to a board of 4d-6d-Q-5d, when maniac raised 2x pot. He made his strait on the river with a 7 and had Q-3. This was two hands before the bomb hit me. Table is set up like this (money is close but not exact); 1 Rock $60, 2 top player $300 (just sat down), 3 rock $200, 4 idiot (me) $100 (sat with $100 and had been going up and down a little), 5 rock $ 85, 6 rock $125, 7 MANIAC $150 (sat down after me), 8 Rock $200, 9 new player loose aggressive $700 (they said he started with $300 and was on a major heater), 10 tight aggressive $200 . I just won about $60 against the new player with 10h-7h in the SB. All limpers and I flopped a strt flush draw and then the flush on the turn.I then had about $160 in front of me. The maniac had about $150.I hadn't even sorted my chips and see KK. 5 seat limps, 6 seat limps, 7 seat (maniac) limps, 8 seat limps, 9 seat limps, 10 seat limps, 1 seat folds, 2 seat limps, 3 seat SB folds. I raise $25 into a $22 pot. I had not seen the maniac fold any ace to any $10 or $15 dollar bets with that many limpers. Maybe I should have raised $20?Every one folds but the Maniac and the new player. I've lost control of the pot now. $91 in the pot. I have about $135 left. Maniac has about $125 and the new player has over $600. Flop was 10-6-3 rainbow. I considered a $50 raise and started counting it out and I can slightly see the maniac grabbing a stack to push in and the new player counting his chips to push in as he always did when making a call. I guess I made my biggest mistake here. I pushed all in. The maniac immediately calls and the new player thinks a while and folds. The maniac had pocket threes and of course they held up.Again, please forgive me for too much information. Just need to see what you come up with here.Thanks

[Sheiky 0]

PF size is right on, on the flop i'd bet $75 and call a shove instead of overbetting it. on a T63r board with not much left in your stack relative to the pot, you don't need to protect you're hand that much and should bet to extract value from worse. I would never fold the flop in this situation though, he had pocket 3s and you got unlucky, nothing you can do about that.

[trystero 0]

Yeah if he's a maniac you want to give him an opportunity to make a mistake by going nuts. So make a standard bet and call any raise from either player.

[Paul Brevard 0]

Thanks guys. I especially like the advice about the over bet. It confirms what a friend told me.One last thing though. If I make the raise on the flop instead of going all in, and the guy goes all in, do you fold and take the small stack and start rebuilding?Thanks again!

[Sheiky 0]

Never fold here if either of them shoves over your flop bet.And it's a cash game so you shouldn't be in a tournament mentality of static stack sizes, you can rebuy whenever you want

[KoRnholio 2]

I like the preflop raise size, perhaps even a bit bigger if they all love to call big raises. As it stands you have a bit more than a pot sized bet left, so you want to get all in. But knowing that both of them are interested in the pot already, I might check or make a small bet to get them all to come along for the all in ride. Especially with the maniac on your left.

[MetalFingers 0]

i bet about 60-75 here and NEVER fold when villain shoves this particular flop. This is (almost always) a great flop for you and besides the (unfortunate) flopped sets, only AA is really beating you here. Many times villain will have JJ or QQ and we will scoop in this spot, but as maniac limped i think we can erase AA, QQ, JJ, and 10s from his range here. He got lucky and out-flopped you... sucks but part of the game

[Paul Brevard 0]

i bet about 60-75 here and NEVER fold when villain shoves this particular flop. This is (almost always) a great flop for you and besides the (unfortunate) flopped sets, only AA is really beating you here. Many times villain will have JJ or QQ and we will scoop in this spot, but as maniac limped i think we can erase AA, QQ, JJ, and 10s from his range here. He got lucky and out-flopped you... sucks but part of the game

All are good responses and greatly appreciated. I guess that my tournament mentality is kicking in on cash games way to hard.Thanks again guys.

[NoSup4U 0]

Thanks guys. I especially like the advice about the over bet. It confirms what a friend told me.One last thing though. If I make the raise on the flop instead of going all in, and the guy goes all in, do you fold and take the small stack and start rebuilding?Thanks again!

Just for the sake of good explanations, betting half pot here is not making a raise. You're just betting. As everyone said, you should just bet about half the pot and never fold to a raise at this point. Outside of that you played the hand fine and just got unlucky.Another point: If you're only buying in for $100 in a $300 game, you shouldn't be playing many hands other than AQ+ and 99+ maybe. If you want to play anything else, buy in for more. With your stack size, you should pretty much never be folding top pair past the flop, and you don't have very good odds to play suited connectors.gl,Mark