pokerloser 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 Alright alright alright, Call me Mr. Unpopular. And long winded!I am willing to take even money odds, that Daniel loses 3 out of 5 of his first 5 Heads up Match challenges. I have $27k on PartyPoker and I am willing to place up to $15k of that for this wager. 1 person or severel people doesn't matter (min single wager has to be $1k no penny ante crap). We can use a 3rd party player to "escrow" our funds, someone like Daniel or Eric's online ID I will xfer them (or whoever) my share as the bets are made.Look, I know your all steaming reading my wager, but before you come after me like an agry mob. I like Daniel, very much, I have sat with him at a final table of the Legends 2 years ago (not the main event) I chatted with him more at Commerce before and during the PPT tables. He doesn't "know" me, but to my pleasant surprise recognizes me enough to say hey how things going' when he sees me.But, "I" have been dissapointed lately with some comments and the overall feeling he is projecting. Let's not forget that $4m was made last year in Tournaments. Cash he now uses to play live and bash these very same tournaments that made him the money and the name he has out there.Sure he was good before the WPT and ESPN, but let's face it without them he would be another unknown great poker player, not making nearly what he does today, interviews, magazines, articles etc. would not exist at these levels without the Tournaments. The last time I checked they were not showing the 4k/8k 100k cap on TV?The PPT is trying to get off the ground, some money this year, more money next etc. etc. and Daniel's comments about this. "I can make what the first place gets in cash games in half the time" This may be true, but personalities like yours are needed to get these things going farther down the road, without them, you get no TV time, no TV time means less of a marketable personality.Daniel's "tournament" play has suffered, sure he could rock at the WSOP but again my money would say he barely hits the top 10 of the leaderboard this year and No final tables. So with all that said and more on my mind (that I will spare you from) I put out there my wager challenge as stated above.Daniel, I love ya but your focus has been elswhere, cash games, Lori, Tee it Up records, poor travel plans, your last 2 heads up tournament matches should tell you that your odds of doing well in your heads up challenges are thin. Your welcome to take my wager as well, for the full amount if you like, I trust you, the one strong thing I can say about you is, as a person you appear to be a great guy, honest and trustworthy. I will x-fer you the full $15k on pp and you can hold it, if you win keep it, if you lose send me my winnings.This is certainly not a Daniel bashing, but an all-in bet based on my pickup of Daniels tells over the last 4 months.OK, to eliminate the "daniel's better than you" comments, 2 years ago I outlasted him at the final table of the pre legends event. I have made $154,247.00 in 5 tournaments entered this year, my buy-ins are lower that 10k, making my profit per tournement even better than DN's. NO I am not sayin I am even nearly as good as DN, but just wanted to clear the air when the "what have you done" statements come out.If you are serious about taking part in the wager, let me know your PP ID, I will invite you to an empty table and we will finalize details. I am not giving you my pp id here as everyone will just find me and bash me online. Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 I'll take the the full bet if you are serious... Link to post Share on other sites
wisky_VI 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 maybe i should get on partypoker, I could use a taste of this. Link to post Share on other sites
Sundevils21 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 I'll take the the full betQuit hogging all the action, I want some too.-Travis Link to post Share on other sites
Random Fluke 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 The PPT is trying to get off the ground, some money this year, more money next etc. etc. Â and Daniel's comments about this. Â "I can make what the first place gets in cash games in half the time" Â This may be true, but personalities like yours are needed to get these things going farther down the road, without them, you get no TV time, no TV time means less of a marketable personality.Very few players have done more to help spread the popularity of poker than DN. You need to STFU Link to post Share on other sites
pokerloser 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Author Share Posted May 13, 2005 Ahhhh there it is, my first flame. I feel better now Link to post Share on other sites
ArseneLupin3 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 The PPT is trying to get off the ground, some money this year, more money next etc. etc. Â and Daniel's comments about this. Â "I can make what the first place gets in cash games in half the time" Â Yay, finally someone who agrees with me!I also think that the "I can make" quote is kinda silly. He could make more than that in one hand, but it doesn't make it likely. 225k over 30 hours is 7.5k/h. He can beat the big game for 2 bets an hour? Not likely. Of course, it's also highly unlikely that he'd come in first every time, but still...If you exclude the 5 hour session in his "2005 cash game results" thread, he's actually down about about 270k in cash games, so he could also lose that much in the same period.Can you say 'results-based?' Good luck with your wager.-adam Link to post Share on other sites
s_dogg 0 Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 Looks like DN wants a little action Pokerloser-maybe you should post your real name so everyone knows who you are...just think it would add a little credibility to your offer. Just my .02 Link to post Share on other sites
hex2r 0 Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 If u are really serious I'll put a grand down on that one. If Daniel wants the whole bet though I'll give him honors since he obviously should get the first chance at the bet. Since he is playing a match probably as we speak now it can be 3 out of 5 starting whenever we decide to start the deal. Link to post Share on other sites
HelioCentric 0 Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 I am willing to take even money odds, that Daniel loses 3 out of 5 of his first 5 Heads up Match challenges.When you figure everyone challenging him will probably be an expert in which ever game they choose... this seems plausible. I believe the most interesting match up will be DN and Barry Greenstein if they do end up playing mutliple games. That I would think DN will win more than he loses; just the one and done challengers seem to have more of an advantage. Either way, I have $175 on Ultimate bet, and am willing to gamble none of it. I am rooting for DN, but losing 3 outta the first 5 seems possible. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerloser 0 Posted May 14, 2005 Author Share Posted May 14, 2005 Thanks S-Dogg, you certainly have a good point. And...You will all know my real name soon enough, I am about to be 1 up. At this point DN wants the whole bet, so credibility only matters with the other end of the bet for now. Sincerely,Allen (thats it for now) Link to post Share on other sites
theStork 0 Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 did this bet ever get made? the last i saw was dn saying he would take it if the op was serious and then the op saying he was up one. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerloser 0 Posted May 15, 2005 Author Share Posted May 15, 2005 I made the open proposal, he said he would take it, I agreed.You tell me? Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 The bet is on... he's up 1-0 Link to post Share on other sites
jayboogie 0 Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 This is kinda a hard bet for me to take. Eventhough I think Daniel's a great player, but headsup anything can happen and anyone can run good/bad, a lot of the times the cards dictate who's going to win headsup especially in a freezeout format. If they're against you, you have no shot at winning no matter how well you play. Your laying fairly good odds, but factor in that you have specialists playing against Daniel in their best games and the unpredictability of headsup, I can't lay down money confidently, so I'd pass on this. I see nothing wrong with you posting this though. Link to post Share on other sites
minorityreport 0 Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 http://www.cardplayer.com/player_of_the_ye...Krell&year=2005 Link to post Share on other sites
pokerloser 0 Posted May 16, 2005 Author Share Posted May 16, 2005 Well, I don't know know much about Mimi and her game. I am glad it is limit not NL! Daniel and Barry have played together many times before as I understand it, so there is game knowledge there that would make "that" match interesting.I have a feeling I may be at 1-1 after Mimi. and praying to hold my ground if Barry is next. making it 500k gives alot more room for mistakes, Mimi seams emotional if she starts to lose, giving Daniel the edge here."I" would like to have seen Eli or Chao Xiang or even Phil Ivey next for "me" to feel comfortable, but again I know nothing of Mimi's gameAllen....Minorityreport......shhhhhhh Link to post Share on other sites
insano 0 Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Hmm.. Someone is sounding a little nervous.Get him DN. If I had the money I would have taken the bet. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerloser 0 Posted May 17, 2005 Author Share Posted May 17, 2005 I did expect better caliber of players, one minute we're hearing David O, Eli, Barry and then Mimi sits down. What up with dat? It's the way it goes, I make no excuses, I can't! I have no choice over who sits, not sure Daniel does either necessarily, it's not like were are talking $100 NL game where anyone can sit, the stakes are pretty high. AND, absolutely no disrespect to Mimi, after some research, she has a pretty good history and some very high finishes even in heads up tourneys.Let's see, Eli or Xiang next or how about Ted Forrest in stud?Anyway, 1-1 it is. Link to post Share on other sites
apple11 0 Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 damn man you sure got some gamble you better hope phil ivey shows up soon Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Orange 0 Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Just curious, has each player sent $15k to a "middle man"? Just kinda wondering if this is a peeing match, or if the bet is truly going down. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerloser 0 Posted May 21, 2005 Author Share Posted May 21, 2005 It's no pee match! We have it worked out, and I expect to win or lose my 15k, real money. Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Lately 0 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Are you pokerloser on Fulltilt?I played a guy called pokerloser in a (i think) $4+40 SNG for a WSOP token. Or may have been $24+2. Dunno his name was def pokerloser tho. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerloser 0 Posted May 24, 2005 Author Share Posted May 24, 2005 Sorry Johnny, that's not me on FullTilt, I use another name on there. I am on the 10/20 NL right now, and will play as high as the 30/60 most evenings.We need another match I need $$ for WSOP Allen Link to post Share on other sites
allinbluff35 0 Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Sorry Johnny, that's not me on FullTilt, I use another name on there. I am on the 10/20 NL right now, and will play as high as the 30/60 most evenings.We need another match I need $$ for WSOP Allenhe's playing one right now, there's a sticky in general Link to post Share on other sites
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