Palin Plays The Bill Ayers Card

[Balloon guy 158]

Not true his first response(s) to the Wright situation he said they were soundbytes that were being played and when asked to to denounce Rev Wright he declined. When Rev. Wright came out and began doing press conferences where he was attacking Clinton is when Obama denounced him.

As a member of a church I can tell you that Wright's sermons were recorded for quite a while.Truth is there has been a relatively small amount of samples of his over-racism. And it's not from lack of looking I'm sure.But Obama handled the whole thing badly, until his handlers corrected him, and even then he threw his grandmother under the bus.But the real racial issue for me is the complete denial of anyone allowing to say Obama's middle name. It's not like it's a republican trick, it is his name. Why do you think Richard Head never ran for any election?

[85suited 0]

What is disturbing is the fact that you've posted in this thread like twenty times all the while not answering anyones retorts just pressing along with your view hoping that all democrats will go "you know what 85suited, Obama is a real life doctor evil, he has plodded and planned with Ayers and muslim terrorists through Rev. Wright for twenty years all in an effort to destroy the USA, muahahahaha" Because thats a lot more reasonable then hey he knows a few dickheads.

Thats funny... I have asked many questions in my posts and you guys dont want to answer thoseJeremiah Wright & Bill Ayers - Patriotic Americans..... AgreedSO a for your questions I havent answered - so what if Todd Palin twice registered under the Alaskan Independence Party — in 1995 and 2000. Im Sorry - really no story here.. He attended one convention.... was not politically active, unless you have other news to break

[irishguy 14]

As a member of a church I can tell you that Wright's sermons were recorded for quite a while.Truth is there has been a relatively small amount of samples of his over-racism. And it's not from lack of looking I'm sure.But Obama handled the whole thing badly, until his handlers corrected him, and even then he threw his grandmother under the bus.But the real racial issue for me is the complete denial of anyone allowing to say Obama's middle name. It's not like it's a republican trick, it is his name. Why do you think Richard Head never ran for any election?

I agree with the bolded. As for the middle name thing if this was 1988 it wouldn't be an issue the fact is Muslim's are seen in a negative light in the USA and the only point would be to try to draw some sort of connection but I'm clearly answering something I'm sure you're only half serious about.

[irishguy 14]

Thats funny... I have asked many questions in my posts and you guys dont want to answer thoseJeremiah Wright & Bill Ayers - Patriotic Americans..... AgreedSO a for your questions I havent answered - so what if Todd Palin twice registered under the Alaskan Independence Party — in 1995 and 2000. Im Sorry - really no story here.. He attended one convention.... was not politically active, unless you have other news to break

People have answered you and responded; look above there are far better written and more well thought out points that have been made and ignored by you.I'm as shocked that you don't think the Palin/ AIP thing is an issue or the fact that Sarah Palin did a video introduction for one of there events as I am that you ignore the fact that she herself is being looked at for illegal actions re troopergate.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

People have answered you and responded; look above there are far better written and more well thought out points that have been made and ignored by you.I'm as shocked that you don't think the Palin/ AIP thing is an issue or the fact that Sarah Palin did a video introduction for one of there events as I am that you ignore the fact that she herself is being looked at for illegal actions re troopergate.

I must have missed the AIP Bombings.

[irishguy 14]

I must have missed the AIP Bombings.

nope, just the point

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

nope, just the point

Clearly. Since I have no idea how AIP is relevant or comparable to an organization that BLEW THINGS UP!!!

[irishguy 14]

Clearly. Since I have no idea how AIP is relevant or comparable to an organization that BLEW THINGS UP!!!

So if Ayers was involved in a group that was considered "radical" but they never bombed anything you'd have no problem with him or with Obama being associated with him?

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

...and I ask this because I am honestly ignorant - what law(s) is Palin accused of having broken in the Trooper Investigation?

[irishguy 14]

...and I ask this because I am honestly ignorant - what law(s) is Palin accused of having broken in the Trooper Investigation?

I'd have to look up the exact terminolog but it is abuse of power, wrongful dismissal etc

[TrulyRaNd0m 0]

1. Have Caribou Brabi step aside, and get some more "mainstream" numbskull, like Guiliani or, better yet, Lieberman. Sure, it'll seem dangerously impetuous and erratic, but just label it as a "country first" tough decision, and try to salvage the last month. Promise Caribou Barbi a cushy job as Secretary of Beauty Pageants, or something, to keep her pitching fund-raisers to the far right and religious conservatives.

Wow you're sexist.- TR

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

Wow you're sexist.- TR

Imagine a man making this sort of comment or worse yet a similar Racial comment.And just try and make a similar sexist remark back at this same "woman poster" and see what happens....but hey, clearly Sarah Palin hasn't been the target of any sexist attacks from the Left.

[irishguy 14]

Imagine a man making this sort of comment or worse yet a similar Racial comment.And just try and make a similar sexist remark back at this same "woman poster" and see what happens....but hey, clearly Sarah Palin hasn't been the target of any sexist attacks from the Left.

One person posting an opinion on a forum is hardly indicitive of "sexist attacks from the left"

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

One person posting an opinion on a forum is hardly indicitive of "sexist attacks from the left"

Yeah, this is an isolated anecdotal incident and not something that Sarah Palin has been dealing with since she entered the national spotlight.

[irishguy 14]

Yeah, this is an isolated anecdotal incident and not something that Sarah Palin has been dealing with since she entered the national spotlight.

Yeah I know Hillary was super lucky to be dealing with a much more tolerant society during the primaries.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

Yeah I know Hillary was super lucky to be dealing with a much more tolerant treatment from her own party during the primaries.

fyp

[vbnautilus 48]

I honestly don't see how the comment is sexist. Sexism is not "any negative comment made about a woman". This particular woman happens to be a former beauty queen, and is well deserving of all the comedy that comes along with that. Oh, and odds on whether 85suited responds to post #146?

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

I honestly don't see how the comment is sexist. Sexism is not "any negative comment made about a woman". This particular woman happens to be a former beauty queen, and is well deserving of all the comedy that comes along with that. Oh, and odds on whether 85suited responds to post #146?

C'mon.I mean really. If you don't think that the comments are sexist, then continuing to try and "prove" to you that they are is a waste of time - you're just arguing to argue at this point

[vbnautilus 48]

C'mon.I mean really. If you don't think that the comments are sexist, then continuing to try and "prove" to you that they are is a waste of time - you're just arguing to argue at this point

No, I'm not. I think "sexism" is being thrown around here far too liberally. Seriously what is "sexist" about it? Sexism is the belief or attitude that one gender or sex is inferior to or less valuable than the other. How does this qualify? Calling this individual a pageant queen when she was indeed a beauty pageant contestant is not the same as making some general statement about the value or place of women. This aspect of her past is not discussable since it is something that women do more frequently than men? I really don't get it.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

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[vbnautilus 48]

Sometimes VBNautilus Reminds me of this...

lol, a true classic. but seriously, although I do enjoy a good argument, I'm not just being argumentative here, the comment really doesn't strike me as sexist. In fact, the fact that these kinds of things are off-limits is what seems sexist to me.

[jmkiser 0]

C'mon.I mean really. If you don't think that the comments are sexist, then continuing to try and "prove" to you that they are is a waste of time - you're just arguing to argue at this point

Are you kidding?How is calling a beauty pageant winner from Alaska a "Caribou Barbi" show sexism? She was making fun of something SP did in her past mixed with the state she lives in. Just because it's not that funny doesn't mean she hates women. You're really stretching there to try to pin sexism on her.Saying that she needs to get back in the kitchen and quit running her mouth....... now that's a sexist statement.Edit: As much as Republicans say that Obama plays the race card, they are way more guilty of playing the sex card with SP. You can't criticize a single thing about SP without being called a sexist. Yet no one is being labeled the next leader of the KKK for criticizing Obama

[Paul Brevard 0]

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Great MP post Pot!

[Nimue1995 1]

lol, a true classic. but seriously, although I do enjoy a good argument, I'm not just being argumentative here, the comment really doesn't strike me as sexist. In fact, the fact that these kinds of things are off-limits is what seems sexist to me.

That post was really supposed to be kind of a joke post. I really didn't think anyone would take it seriously. But I guess anything posted about Cariboo Barbie is taken seriously by the Republicans here. I wonder what you think of Tina Fey?

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

Are you kidding?How is calling a beauty pageant winner from Alaska a "Caribou Barbi" show sexism? She was making fun of something SP did in her past mixed with the state she lives in. Just because it's not that funny doesn't mean she hates women. You're really stretching there to try to pin sexism on her.Saying that she needs to get back in the kitchen and quit running her mouth....... now that's a sexist statement.

Would it have made any sense to have made the Jokes about a man (without stretching reason)? ...that, pretty much by definition, is what makes it "sexist".