Flushgarden 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 turbo and still full rake, total bsYeah, it sucks that they're turbo. Pokerstars is just raping its customers with these. Link to post Share on other sites
wakiki 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 I can see how they are cheating us by making it turbo and leaving the rake the same, but how was it abusive before? It was still 1+.10, just like a 9 player SNG, and the prize pool was just distributed differently...I just played one. Seemed really easy; didn't have to bluff or get my money in bad once. Link to post Share on other sites
Lrgetrout 1 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 I can see how they are cheating us by making it turbo and leaving the rake the same, but how was it abusive before? It was still 1+.10, just like a 9 player SNG, and the prize pool was just distributed differently...I just played one. Seemed really easy; didn't have to bluff or get my money in bad once.I can try an argument from their side ...Effectively, since half the field is getting paid double the money, it is just like a HU tournament, which only rakes 5%. So this should rake 5% too.Unfortunately, I think they can do it full rake and get way more money than decreasing the rake; I don't think they'd get double the entries (which is basically what would be necessary to make it up).Oh, and the $1+.10 is half rake ... the STT $1 tournaments have a $0.20 rake on stars. Link to post Share on other sites
Flushgarden 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 the STT $1 tournaments have a $0.20 rake on stars.And that's insane. Link to post Share on other sites
GillFinigan 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Tried the 10+1's and i'm 5/5... I'm liking these now, just play tight and coast to the money. Link to post Share on other sites
Lrgetrout 1 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 And that's insane.Agreed.In other news, decided to play one while I'm folding my laundry. This is the 4th hand, I won the first after flopping top pair in the BB first hand and firing two shots.OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOMPokerStars Game #20909847952: Tournament #112003153, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/10/03 23:33:28 ETTable '112003153 1' 10-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: DucesAgain (1500 in chips) Seat 2: Oggieman (1430 in chips) Seat 3: Lrgetrout (1600 in chips) Seat 4: BBurdwood (1450 in chips) Seat 6: tanman069 (1500 in chips) Seat 7: snilsson (1480 in chips) Seat 8: gmdrinker (1750 in chips) Seat 9: Ninski (3050 in chips) Seat 10: PokerWarior (1240 in chips) tanman069: posts small blind 10snilsson: posts big blind 20*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Lrgetrout [Qs Qc]gmdrinker: folds Ninski: folds PokerWarior: calls 20DucesAgain: folds Oggieman: calls 20Lrgetrout: raises 100 to 120BBurdwood: folds tanman069: folds snilsson: raises 100 to 220PokerWarior: folds Oggieman: folds Lrgetrout: calls 100*** FLOP *** [4s As 5s]snilsson: checks Lrgetrout: checks *** TURN *** [4s As 5s] [Ks]snilsson: bets 1260 and is all-inLrgetrout: calls 1260*** RIVER *** [4s As 5s Ks] [Qh]*** SHOW DOWN ***snilsson: shows [Kd Kc] (three of a kind, Kings)Lrgetrout: shows [Qs Qc] (a flush, Ace high)Lrgetrout collected 3010 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 3010 | Rake 0 Board [4s As 5s Ks Qh]Seat 1: DucesAgain folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: Oggieman folded before FlopSeat 3: Lrgetrout showed [Qs Qc] and won (3010) with a flush, Ace highSeat 4: BBurdwood (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: tanman069 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 7: snilsson (big blind) showed [Kd Kc] and lost with three of a kind, KingsSeat 8: gmdrinker folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: Ninski folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 10: PokerWarior folded before Flop Link to post Share on other sites
dt1313 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 ...are able to make big laydowns when needed, anyone can beat these.this.Dan Link to post Share on other sites
AcesOnFire 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Author Share Posted October 4, 2008 So... they've taken them off. Saw that coming. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 So... they've taken them off. Saw that coming.no they didn't. im playing one right now. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 wow.it really feels like nobody at the 10+1s has thought about how to play these. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Is there anything to be said for playing more loose in games where everyone realises you should play tight? Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 The turbo change could be a good thing, at least at the low stakes. It will just encourage people to play even looser and take more chances early. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 i just came back from 70 chips now im back up to 845what a comeback Link to post Share on other sites
Tosh 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 The turbo change could be a good thing, at least at the low stakes. It will just encourage people to play even looser and take more chances early.yea i agree they took way to long in the two i played before wee turbo Link to post Share on other sites
Ninjafoo 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 while playing one pinch pinch lolPokerStars Game #20925044213: Tournament #112108199, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2008/10/04 15:47:26 ETTable '112108199 1' 10-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: Ninjafoo (605 in chips) Seat 6: Bailey98 (1445 in chips) Seat 7: DB84fan (1435 in chips) Seat 8: sergiocm (1090 in chips) Seat 9: ZAM0RA (740 in chips) Seat 10: pcpoint\free (9685 in chips) Ninjafoo: posts the ante 25Bailey98: posts the ante 25DB84fan: posts the ante 25sergiocm: posts the ante 25ZAM0RA: posts the ante 25pcpoint\free: posts the ante 25ZAM0RA: posts small blind 125pcpoint\free: posts big blind 250*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Ninjafoo [Kh 3h]Ninjafoo: raises 330 to 580 and is all-inBailey98: folds DB84fan: folds sergiocm: folds ZAM0RA: folds pcpoint\free: calls 330Ninjafoo said, "dang it"*** FLOP *** [3s 7d 3c]*** TURN *** [3s 7d 3c] [4s]*** RIVER *** [3s 7d 3c 4s] [9h]*** SHOW DOWN ***pcpoint\free: shows [6s 6h] (two pair, Sixes and Threes)Ninjafoo: shows [Kh 3h] (three of a kind, Threes)Ninjafoo collected 1435 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 1435 | Rake 0 Board [3s 7d 3c 4s 9h]Seat 1: Ninjafoo showed [Kh 3h] and won (1435) with three of a kind, ThreesSeat 6: Bailey98 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: DB84fan folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: sergiocm (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: ZAM0RA (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 10: pcpoint\free (big blind) showed [6s 6h] and lost with two pair, Sixes and Threes Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 the 109s aren't any better. as long as you know icm and pushbotting and are able to make big laydowns when needed, anyone can beat these.In a nutshell, with a flat payout structure you don't need to take risks and play big pots to build a stack...right? These double-or-nothings are basically an extreme application of the chip conservation strategy. Link to post Share on other sites
Whalers2005 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Has anybody put their entire roll on one of these yet?I did..by mistake...I had 109.70 after losing about 400 so far today...so I was grinding at the 11 double or nothing which are super easy...I was looking at the higher limits and when I finished one just registered for anther one. Went to play some cash and said nooo money. Look at the sng and it was 109 ooops.. ended up winning yiipppeeeeeee Link to post Share on other sites
Largetotals 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 doubled up in one of these last night.. 1 dollar double or nothing.wee! Link to post Share on other sites
Mickle00 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Power just went out and when it came back come to see that I made the money in a $1 double or nothing. I really think I'm gonna start like 12 tabling these. Link to post Share on other sites
Poppy Hillis 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I haven't played online in forever, but thought I would try these out as a way to kill time during the Dodger game. I was 5 for 7 and one of the losses was my own stupidity because I got bored. Seemed pretty easy. Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Here's one for the LOL ending files:PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00+$0.20 Tournament, 125/250 Blinds 25 Ante (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comHero (BB) (t1445)UTG (t2315)MP (t1390)CO (t730)Button (t2435)SB (t6685)Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A1 fold, MP calls t250, 2 folds, SB raises to t750, 1 fold, MP calls t500Flop: (t1900) J, 7, 5(2 players)SB bets t5910 (All-In), MP calls t615 (All-In)Turn: (t3130) 9(2 players, 2 all-in)River: (t3130) 6(2 players, 2 all-in)Total pot: t3130Results:SB had J, 7 (two pair, Jacks and sevens).MP had 5, 2 (one pair, fives).Outcome: SB won t3130Gotta love the shortstack early position limp-call with 52s on the bubble... Link to post Share on other sites
patho 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Are they gone? It's 1:57am on Sunday morning, and other SNG's are registering, but I don't see the double or nothing's anymore. Man, and I was getting good at them...Nevermind, I was in the multitable tab. Sorry Link to post Share on other sites
Sic Jake 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I play these on CD Poker, don't ask me why I bother playing on CD Poker. Anyway I'm still new, but I know I'm better than 50% of the field, these things are perfect for me to gain a roll. Been doing well enough so far getting my feet wet. Link to post Share on other sites
Gallo 1 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 if I get money on stars again...I'm gonna play 20 of those SnGs and sit out each one, after watching tv for an hour I should see how many I cashed in. so has anyone confirmed that siting out the whole way is +ev? Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 im not entirly sure, but after playing a few of these in which i got unlucky and came out ahead anyway (4 wins 2 losses) i do not think the correct strategy is exactly playing overly tight. i think the correct strategy is to take advantage of the other players tendencies to play overly tight and keep yourself hovering around 2000 chips. also, do not do anything that puts your stack at risk unless you can absolutly help it. let the blinds knock people out, don't make loose all in calls from the bb becouse you have good odds. you are better off letting them steal then having them double up. every chip you lose in these are worth a lot more than any chip you gain, way more so than a normal sng. in other words, steal small pots in position, especially once you hit like the third level. Link to post Share on other sites
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