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It's not irrelevant at all for a team that is 11-1.We aren't talking about a 6-6 team here. We are talking about a team that lost one game on the final play of the game.OU will be favored by 17 minimum... but they will loooooooooose ! ! !I am contacting all my witch doctor friends in Louisiana and calling in all favors to put a hex on the scooners.

I'm not saying you don't have an argument, just that the whole "we beat both teams" argument is not a good one.Whatever it takes for MIZZOU to win, go ahead and do it.Just checked sportsbook.com....exactly 17.

[HollywoodAFD 0]

Whatever it takes for MIZZOU to win, go ahead and do it.

I could release those pictures I have of Bob Stoops forking a goat.I hope Bradford fumbles 10 snaps with his torn ligamented thumb.My hate for OU has multiplied 100 fold in less than 48 hours.

[Freddec 0]

I could release those pictures I have of Bob Stoops forking a goat.I hope Bradford fumbles 10 snaps with his torn ligamented thumb.My hate for OU has multiplied 100 fold in less than 48 hours.

you should hate the Big 12's stupid tiebreaker rules.......but i'm sure you prolly have no clue what it is

[HollywoodAFD 0]

you should hate the Big 12's stupid tiebreaker rules.......but i'm sure you prolly have no clue what it is

Well... you would "prolly" be wrong.If the BCS had a clue what they were doing... the Big XII tiebreaker rules would work properly. But I'm sure you prolly knew that.

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So Oklahoma shouldn't get credit for playing a tougher OOC schedule?Texas:08/30/08 vs. Florida Atlantic (presented by Wells Fargo) TV Austin, Texas W, 52-1009/06/08 at UTEP TV El Paso, Texas W, 42-1309/20/08 vs. Rice (presented by UnitedHealthcare) TV Austin, Texas W, 52-1009/27/08 vs. Arkansas (presented by AT&T) TV Austin, Texas W, 52-1010/04/08 at Colorado TV Boulder, Colo. W, 38-1410/11/08 vs. Oklahoma (AT&T Red River Rivalry) TV Dallas, Texas W, 45-3510/18/08 vs. Missouri (presented by H-E-B) TV Austin, Texas W, 56-3110/25/08 vs. Oklahoma State (presented by Scott & White) TV Austin, Texas W, 28-2411/01/08 at Texas Tech TV Lubbock, Texas L, 39-3311/08/08 vs. Baylor (presented by Time Warner Cable) TV Austin, Texas W, 45-2111/15/08 at Kansas TV Lawrence, Kan. W, 35-711/27/08 vs. Texas A&M (State Farm Lone Star Showdown) TV Austin, Texas W, 49-9Oklahoma:schedule sucks to repost, but they played Cincy and TCU.

[Jadaki 0]

Obviously the BCS is a joke but you do realize if the Big12 used the same tiebreaker method that the ACC and SEC use, Texas would be playing Missouri. The big 12 just takes the highest BCS ranking. Other conferences take head-to-head winner if the two teams are within 4 spots of each other in the BCS standings. Just sayin.......but yeah the whole BCS is stupid in teh first place but who doesnt know that already

The first tie breaker is head to head, the problem with that is you then have a 3 way tie. Yea Texas beat Oklahoma, but they lost to TT, who lost to Oklahoma, so if they want to discuss head to head you have to put TT back in the discussion for the title game.

[Vandees 0]

I hate this "Texas deserves it because they beat OU head to head" argument, and I'll tell you why.1. there are 3 teams tied for the title. That may hold water if there were two, in fact that is the tiebreak criteria. but TTech is in there, and beat Texas. If OU lost, there would be no "head to head" argument from UT fans.2. You can't just take OU/TX because they are highest in the polls and do their head to head (like other conferences). The reason is this, the polls are biased for TX and OU and against TT. Don't believe me, look at the early polls, how far OU and TX fell when they lost vs. how far TT fell (although TX and TT are similar), and where they are now. TT started 9 spots behind OU and 4-5 spots behind TX. Preseason polls are a joke, there should be no polls until at least 5 wks in the season. You can't look at subjective polls as a measuring stick. At least the computers aren't biased.3. OU played a tougher non-conference schedule, has better wins the last few weeks, and they are playing the best right now. I'd rather have the best team NOW in the title game. Please stop bringing up the head to head. That is the first factor in the tiebreak scenarios, but since there are 3 teams, it doesn't work this year. And I also realize other leagues do it that way, but you are talking about the 2,3, and 7 teams in the country. Its just as unfair to throw out TT because of their late loss as it is to whine that TX should play because they beat OU. The best team is there, end of story. TX will just have to be happy getting schooled in a bowl game.

[HollywoodAFD 0]

I hate this "Texas deserves it because they beat OU head to head" argument, and I'll tell you why.1. there are 3 teams tied for the title. That may hold water if there were two, in fact that is the tiebreak criteria. but TTech is in there, and beat Texas. If OU lost, there would be no "head to head" argument from UT fans.2. You can't just take OU/TX because they are highest in the polls and do their head to head (like other conferences). The reason is this, the polls are biased for TX and OU and against TT. Don't believe me, look at the early polls, how far OU and TX fell when they lost vs. how far TT fell (although TX and TT are similar), and where they are now. TT started 9 spots behind OU and 4-5 spots behind TX. Preseason polls are a joke, there should be no polls until at least 5 wks in the season. You can't look at subjective polls as a measuring stick. At least the computers aren't biased.3. OU played a tougher non-conference schedule, has better wins the last few weeks, and they are playing the best right now. I'd rather have the best team NOW in the title game. Please stop bringing up the head to head. That is the first factor in the tiebreak scenarios, but since there are 3 teams, it doesn't work this year. And I also realize other leagues do it that way, but you are talking about the 2,3, and 7 teams in the country. Its just as unfair to throw out TT because of their late loss as it is to whine that TX should play because they beat OU. The best team is there, end of story. TX will just have to be happy getting schooled in a bowl game.

You're not football smart.TT dropped more because they got their ASS handed to them. Texas dropped a little because they lost on the last play of the game. OU had better wins? What does that even mean?Texas doesn't run up the score like OU does...but believe me... they will next season. No more putting in 2nd and 3rd string when we are up by 30. Bob Stoops runs a play with 36 seconds left instead of taking a knee.Don't kid yourself into thinking that OU had a tougher schedule because they played TCU. Here's the thing...if they had a non-subjective tie breaker in place....say point differential in same team games.... OU would win and I would say "Congrats OU!" My main beef is the idiotic method to the BCS rankings. So what if you think OU had a tougher non conference schedule... bottom line is Texas beat OU by 2 scores!

[Jadaki 0]

Here's the thing...if they had a non-subjective tie breaker in place....say point differential in same team games.... OU would win and I would say "Congrats OU!" My main beef is the idiotic method to the BCS rankings. So what if you think OU had a tougher non conference schedule... bottom line is Texas beat OU by 2 scores!

And lost to Texas Tech making the head to head a wash.At least the Big-12 is looking at changing it.

"I feel terribly for the teams that are disappointed. If you win all of your games you don't have to worry about this scenario."

Also I thought the fairest tie breaker in this case would have been point differential in the games the 3 tied teams played with each other.Oklahoma (65) Texas Tech (21) Oklahoma (35) Texas (45)Texas (33) Texas Tech (39)Oklahoma Scored: 100 pointsAllowed: 66 pointsDifference: 34 pointsTexas Scored: 78 pointsAllowed: 74 pointsDifference: 4 pointsTexas Tech Scored: 60 pointsAllowed: 98 pointsDifference: -38 pointsWinner is Oklahoma. Oh and their OOC schedule was stronger than Texas's.

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

Winner is Oklahoma. Oh and their OOC schedule was stronger than Texas's.

I think they got it right, but it would be so much sweeter if there was an eight team playoff to decide this thing.

[Freddec 0]

taken from Big12sports.com:Divisional Champion: The (eligible) team with the best winning-percentage of all divisional members in its eight conference games is declared the divisional champion and representative to the Dr Pepper Big 12 Conference Football Championship Game. A team ineligible under NCAA or Big 12 rules for postseason (bowl) competition shall not compete in the Championship Game. Divisional Tiebreakers: The following procedure will determine the representative from each division in the event of a tie: --If two teams are tied, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative --If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 7 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative. 1. The records of the three teams will be compared against each other 2. The records of the three teams will be compared within their division 3. The records of the three teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in their division in order of fi nish (4, 5 and 6) 4. The records of the three teams will be compared against all common conference opponents; 5. The highest ranked team in the first Bowl Championship Series Poll following the completion of Big 12 regular season conference play shall be the representative 6. The team with the best overall winning percentage [excluding exempted games] shall be the representative 7. The representative will be chosen by draw.---------------------------------The number 5 step is where the big 12 is different from other conferences. And if they were consistent with other conferences then Texas would be the representative. The difference Is that other conferences take the head2head winner of the top 2 teams in the final BCS release........assuming they are within 4 spots of each other.http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3739466read this short article it explains the inconsistency better than i did

[Vandees 0]

You're not football smart.TT dropped more because they got their ASS handed to them. Texas dropped a little because they lost on the last play of the game. OU had better wins? What does that even mean?Texas doesn't run up the score like OU does...but believe me... they will next season. No more putting in 2nd and 3rd string when we are up by 30. Bob Stoops runs a play with 36 seconds left instead of taking a knee.Don't kid yourself into thinking that OU had a tougher schedule because they played TCU. Here's the thing...if they had a non-subjective tie breaker in place....say point differential in same team games.... OU would win and I would say "Congrats OU!" My main beef is the idiotic method to the BCS rankings. So what if you think OU had a tougher non conference schedule... bottom line is Texas beat OU by 2 scores!

Yes, I realize TT's loss was bad. Really bad. But my point is I'd rather have a non-subjective method like computer rankings (or the method you suggest) decide the champion, rather than punishing TT for starting lower in the polls, so they just get thrown out. To me, thats the most subjective thing you can do. 3 teams had identical records, their only losses were each other. It seems more unfair to say "sorry TT you're out" because they're ranked 7, not 2 or 3 than to say "let the BCS decide it." OU played TCU and a BCS conference champion in Cincinnati. Their schedule was tougher, like it or not. In addition to that, KU/MO and NE/CO really affected rankings because the teams TX beat lost to the 2 teams that OU beat. That should matter when all other things are equal, which they are in this case.

[HollywoodAFD 0]

And lost to Texas Tech making the head to head a wash.At least the Big-12 is looking at changing it.Also I thought the fairest tie breaker in this case would have been point differential in the games the 3 tied teams played with each other.Oklahoma (65) Texas Tech (21) Oklahoma (35) Texas (45)Texas (33) Texas Tech (39)Oklahoma Scored: 100 pointsAllowed: 66 pointsDifference: 34 pointsTexas Scored: 78 pointsAllowed: 74 pointsDifference: 4 pointsTexas Tech Scored: 60 pointsAllowed: 98 pointsDifference: -38 pointsWinner is Oklahoma. Oh and their OOC schedule was stronger than Texas's.

I actually like this method..... take the 3 tied teams and do a point differential. THAT is a fair way IMO.GJ Jad... THAT makes sense.I hope Mizzou beats OU ....Here's what I would want if I were the BCS however.... OU beats Mizzou and Florida beats Alabama... make OU #1 and Texas #2 and let them fight it out for the National Championship.

[rocketpoker828 0]

Here's what I would want if I were the BCS however.... OU beats Mizzou and Florida beats Alabama... make OU #1 and Texas #2 and let them fight it out for the National Championship.

That would be far bigger of a travesty than Texas being left out of the Big XII Championship. Florida is more than likely the best team in the country, and the BCS really couldn't afford to have another huge controversy.

[HollywoodAFD 0]

That would be far bigger of a travesty than Texas being left out of the Big XII Championship. Florida is more than likely the best team in the country, and the BCS really couldn't afford to have another huge controversy.

Florida isn't the best.... look at the BCS ranking... those are accurate!

[GWCGWC 83]

lol @ Hollywood. The only time I've ever rooted for Texas in a football game is their last National title game. Don't hate on OU for the tiebreaker rules. Hate on Mac Brown for scheduling weak non-conference teams in your last 3 seasons. If you'd had a stronger schedule, you would have held the computer ranking and you'd be watching your team dismantle Mizzo again.

No they dont. If OU beats Tech and they finish in a three way tie, OU would go to the conference championship game. Assuming they all finish with 1 conference loss, the higher ranked team woud go, and because OU lost first it would be them.

November 1st. How very prophetic.

[HollywoodAFD 0]

lol @ Hollywood. The only time I've ever rooted for Texas in a football game is their last National title game. Don't hate on OU for the tiebreaker rules. Hate on Mac Brown for scheduling weak non-conference teams in your last 3 seasons. If you'd had a stronger schedule, you would have held the computer ranking and you'd be watching your team dismantle Mizzo again. November 1st. How very prophetic.

I don't even blame OU.... it's not their fault.Weak non-conference games has nothing to do with it either.... you can't honestly think Texas had a weak schedule... they played 4 top 10 teams.

[Jadaki 0]

I don't even blame OU.... it's not their fault.Weak non-conference games has nothing to do with it either.... you can't honestly think Texas had a weak schedule... they played 4 top 10 teams.

They had a weak OOC schedule.And Missouri doesn't count as a top ten team at this point, sorry.

[HollywoodAFD 0]

They had a weak OOC schedule.And Missouri doesn't count as a top ten team at this point, sorry.

They were top 10 when we played them.... and beat them.So was OU ...when we beat them by 2 scores.So was Oklahoma State.... when we beat themSo was Tech when we lost on the final play of the game in Lubbock.Back on track... I'm not dogging on OU at all... they deserve to be in the Big XII Championship.... so does Texas... it's the failed system that I'm dogging on.

[KowboyKoop 0]

Gametime. Time to see if the QBs can throw to wide open receivers and the RBs can run through two yard-wide holes over and over and over and over....

[KowboyKoop 0]

...and this one's over. The SEC title game should've been the prime time game...this is just anti-climatic. Watching OU just throw to wide open receivers is just boring. Time to find something else on TV.

[HollywoodAFD 0]

...and this one's over. The SEC title game should've been the prime time game...this is just anti-climatic. Watching OU just throw to wide open receivers is just boring. Time to find something else on TV.

How was Missouri ever a ranked team... they are just pathetic.

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You'll get to freeze your ass off while Oklahoma beats the hell out of Missouri, once again.

Oh well, it was still a pretty good time.

I don't understand the hatred for Mizzou, it's not like they have ever won anything, us Mizzou fans are always dissappointed in the end.

How was Missouri ever a ranked team... they are just pathetic.

It is unexplainable to me how the same players that took the team to #1 last season (talking about the defense here) can be so bad that they are the worst defense in the league. It's got to be that coaches figured out how to beat them, and Missouri coaches did nothing to counter.Chase Daniel is by far the best QB Mizzou has ever had...but he sure is fizzling here toward the end. If they lose their bowl game, they will have lost their last 3, just sickening as a MU fan.To make yesterday even better though, I got a jury duty summons in the mail like an hour before I left for the game, so I got that going for me.

[KowboyKoop 0]

MIZZOU BASKETBALL LOOKING GOOD!

[HollywoodAFD 0]

MIZZOU BASKETBALL LOOKING GOOD!

I haven't made the switch to basketball yet... who are the Big XII powerhouses this year? Fill me in.