Mixed Game Challenge Thread

[Pdiddydog 0]

very nicely done! What limits/games are you playing?

I'm usually playing the 0.20/0.40 8 game on stars. The play was so bad I didn't have to rebuy once I also might be playing some low limit heads-up sit&goes, either NLHE, PLO, Omaha 8, or HORSE. I must confess playing low limit sit&goes really bores me as the opponents fall into either the category of chronic calling station or retarded maniac. I have played a bunch of them but my results are only decent, I might start actually trying eventually

[jmbreslin 0]

I'd like to hear more about the play in the .20-.40 8-Game, particularly where the play is weakest of the 8 games. Also, are you able to consistently find a table when you play? I checked the tables the other evening and there where no 8-game tables going at .20-.40 during prime time.

[Pdiddydog 0]

I'd like to hear more about the play in the .20-.40 8-Game, particularly where the play is weakest of the 8 games. Also, are you able to consistently find a table when you play? I checked the tables the other evening and there where no 8-game tables going at .20-.40 during prime time.

I play whenever I feel like and I can usually find a game in the 8 game, I don't really have any specific times for when they are going and when they aren't. The play overall is awful in all the games, anyone should be able to beat this game with a basic understanding of the games. The weakest game for sure is 2-7 TD; no question about it, the play is on another level of bad. The next would be the Stud games. Stud 8 no one plays well, they play bizarre combinations of cards and make extremely spewy calls and raises. Stud Hi is played way too passively, there are random limps and calls, and no one has a basic understanding of how to play the game well. Razz ranges from way to nitty to way to stationy. I really don't know which of these three these guys are worse at cause they suck so badly! Now don't get me wrong the flop games these guys play awful to but not nearly on the level of the above. NLHE, LHE, and PLO are played way too nitty and it's easy to run over the whole table. Omaha 8 is the best of the worst, but the play is also sometimes retarded. I myself don't hold back in any of the games cause no one is really "good" at any of them, they just suck less at some of them.

[uncooper 1]

For Your Lolz, Or Times When It is Hard Not to Say Something in Chat*** THIRD DRAW ***FloridaHawk: discards 1 cardProWannabe10: stands pat Queen Boop: discards 2 cardsmoma25: stands pat FloridaHawk: bets $0.20ProWannabe10: raises $0.20 to $0.40Queen Boop: folds moma25: folds FloridaHawk: raises $0.20 to $0.60ProWannabe10: raises $0.20 to $0.80Betting is cappedQueen Boop leaves the tableFloridaHawk: calls $0.20*** SHOW DOWN ***ProWannabe10: shows [4d 2c Ac 7s 3d] (Lo: A,7,4,3,2)FloridaHawk: mucks hand ProWannabe10 collected $3.81 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $4 | Rake $0.19 Seat 1: Queen Boop folded after the 3rd DrawSeat 2: moma25 folded after the 3rd DrawSeat 3: SUZY CRUISY folded before the Draw (didn't bet)Seat 4: danny purse (button) folded before the Draw (didn't bet)Seat 5: FloridaHawk (small blind) mucked [4h 3h 7c 5h 6d]Seat 6: ProWannabe10 (big blind) showed [4d 2c Ac 7s 3d] and won ($3.81) with Lo: A,7,4,3,2*** THIRD DRAW ***FloridaHawk: discards 1 cardWolfman109: stands pat moma25: discards 2 cardsFloridaHawk: bets $0.20Wolfman109: raises $0.20 to $0.40moma25: folds FloridaHawk: raises $0.20 to $0.60Wolfman109: raises $0.20 to $0.80Betting is cappedFloridaHawk: calls $0.20*** SHOW DOWN ***Wolfman109: shows [3d Ad 6s 4h 2s] (Lo: A,6,4,3,2)FloridaHawk: shows [3c 2h 5d 7c 4s] (Lo: 7,5,4,3,2)FloridaHawk collected $3.72 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $3.90 | Rake $0.18 Seat 1: Wolfman109 showed [3d Ad 6s 4h 2s] and lost with Lo: A,6,4,3,2Seat 2: moma25 (button) folded after the 3rd DrawSeat 4: danny purse (small blind) folded after the 1st DrawSeat 5: FloridaHawk (big blind) showed [3c 2h 5d 7c 4s] and won ($3.72) with Lo: 7,5,4,3,2Seat 6: ProWannabe10 folded before the Draw (didn't bet)FloridaHawk: i dont want your money wolfman, but if i guess ill take it if your just gonna give it too me

[BeaverStyle 1]

So I just made a deposit on Pstars, looking to log a lot of HORSE hands and get a deposit bonus rather quickly. Probably going to 2-3 table HORSE and maybe add a table of Limit O8.As far as bankroll management is concerned, what kind of BR should I have to play .25/.50 HORSE? I'm not going to be playing a ridiculous amount of hands or anything, so what would you (you limit gurus) would consider proper for that level bankroll-BB wise? I'm planning on playing pretty close to the standard limits for my bankroll, I'm relatively tired of redepositing. Oh, and eff tournies, I'm done w/ those for a while. FWIW, I consider myself to be relatively decent at every game in HORSE. Surprisingly, I tend to do the best at RAZZ and Stud8. I'm hoping to log enough hands and post them to identify some potential leaks. Hopefully I can offer some helpful advice here too!

[MaxStPolish 4]

i just noticed this one.cap 5th. omg cap 5th. you have him board locked on your four card hand. other streets are fairly standard.

Yes, i was thinking the same thing. You can assure that he's got an A down low (or almost assure), so while you are only drawing to 3 live aces probably, he's DRAWING to a 75 at best, while you are dominating at the time being and are drawing to the nuts, or at worst a soft low like 8 5, 7 5, 6 5. (note, i see that he didn't even end up having the A this hand. Drill this guy and cap, as more often than not you are taking this pot down)Granted the deck f'd you, but if old boy wants to bet into you because he made 4/5ths to ANY low, drill him. I mean 5 cards in he's playing a PAIR, with a low draw that you have dominated on your low draw.

[BeaverStyle 1]

I wish they were all this easy....PokerStars Game #24865070667: HORSE (Omaha Hi/Lo Limit, $0.10/$0.20) - 2009/02/12 15:19:36 ETTable 'Kraz IX' 8-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: HuRRicanE244 ($8.41 in chips) Seat 2: cupcake48 ($11.06 in chips) Seat 3: dylnat ($12.90 in chips) Seat 4: Albino Lord ($3.70 in chips) Seat 5: Beaverstyle ($3.45 in chips) Seat 7: Pezo76 ($7.97 in chips) Seat 8: Fly Waco ($2.90 in chips) dylnat: posts small blind $0.05Albino Lord: posts big blind $0.10*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Beaverstyle [5s 9c As 4c]Beaverstyle: raises $0.10 to $0.20Pezo76: calls $0.20Fly Waco: folds HuRRicanE244: calls $0.20cupcake48: calls $0.20dylnat: calls $0.15Albino Lord: calls $0.10*** FLOP *** [Ah 9h 9d]dylnat: checks Albino Lord: checks Beaverstyle: checks Pezo76: checks HuRRicanE244: bets $0.10cupcake48: calls $0.10dylnat: folds Albino Lord: folds Beaverstyle: calls $0.10Pezo76: calls $0.10*** TURN *** [Ah 9h 9d] [3h]Beaverstyle: checks Pezo76: checks HuRRicanE244: bets $0.20cupcake48: calls $0.20Beaverstyle: raises $0.20 to $0.40Pezo76: folds HuRRicanE244: folds cupcake48: calls $0.20*** RIVER *** [Ah 9h 9d 3h] [6c]Beaverstyle: bets $0.20cupcake48: raises $0.20 to $0.40Beaverstyle: raises $0.20 to $0.60cupcake48: raises $0.20 to $0.80Betting is cappedBeaverstyle: calls $0.20*** SHOW DOWN ***cupcake48: shows [9s Qd Kd 6s] (HI: a full house, Nines full of Sixes)Beaverstyle: shows [5s 9c As 4c] (HI: a full house, Nines full of Aces; LO: 6,5,4,3,A)Beaverstyle collected $2 from potBeaverstyle collected $2 from potStandard, amirite?

[jmbreslin 0]

I wish they were all this easy....PokerStars Game #24865070667: HORSE (Omaha Hi/Lo Limit, $0.10/$0.20) - 2009/02/12 15:19:36 ETTable 'Kraz IX' 8-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: HuRRicanE244 ($8.41 in chips) Seat 2: cupcake48 ($11.06 in chips) Seat 3: dylnat ($12.90 in chips) Seat 4: Albino Lord ($3.70 in chips) Seat 5: Beaverstyle ($3.45 in chips) Seat 7: Pezo76 ($7.97 in chips) Seat 8: Fly Waco ($2.90 in chips) dylnat: posts small blind $0.05Albino Lord: posts big blind $0.10*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Beaverstyle [5s 9c As 4c]Beaverstyle: raises $0.10 to $0.20Pezo76: calls $0.20Fly Waco: folds HuRRicanE244: calls $0.20cupcake48: calls $0.20dylnat: calls $0.15Albino Lord: calls $0.10*** FLOP *** [Ah 9h 9d]dylnat: checks Albino Lord: checks Beaverstyle: checks Pezo76: checks HuRRicanE244: bets $0.10cupcake48: calls $0.10dylnat: folds Albino Lord: folds Beaverstyle: calls $0.10Pezo76: calls $0.10*** TURN *** [Ah 9h 9d] [3h]Beaverstyle: checks Pezo76: checks HuRRicanE244: bets $0.20cupcake48: calls $0.20Beaverstyle: raises $0.20 to $0.40Pezo76: folds HuRRicanE244: folds cupcake48: calls $0.20*** RIVER *** [Ah 9h 9d 3h] [6c]Beaverstyle: bets $0.20cupcake48: raises $0.20 to $0.40Beaverstyle: raises $0.20 to $0.60cupcake48: raises $0.20 to $0.80Betting is cappedBeaverstyle: calls $0.20*** SHOW DOWN ***cupcake48: shows [9s Qd Kd 6s] (HI: a full house, Nines full of Sixes)Beaverstyle: shows [5s 9c As 4c] (HI: a full house, Nines full of Aces; LO: 6,5,4,3,A)Beaverstyle collected $2 from potBeaverstyle collected $2 from potStandard, amirite?

Lead flop?

[BeaverStyle 1]

Raise flop?

I didn't raise flop because I wanted to get more people in on the flop to pick up a potential draw on the turn. Doesn't raising the flop potentially take away some of our value on later streets by getting called down instead of c/r'ing any turn?

[Cappy37 0]

So I just made a deposit on Pstars, looking to log a lot of HORSE hands and get a deposit bonus rather quickly. Probably going to 2-3 table HORSE and maybe add a table of Limit O8.As far as bankroll management is concerned, what kind of BR should I have to play .25/.50 HORSE? I'm not going to be playing a ridiculous amount of hands or anything, so what would you (you limit gurus) would consider proper for that level bankroll-BB wise? I'm planning on playing pretty close to the standard limits for my bankroll, I'm relatively tired of redepositing. Oh, and eff tournies, I'm done w/ those for a while. FWIW, I consider myself to be relatively decent at every game in HORSE. Surprisingly, I tend to do the best at RAZZ and Stud8. I'm hoping to log enough hands and post them to identify some potential leaks. Hopefully I can offer some helpful advice here too!

You aren't going to clear $#!t playing .25/.50 horse as far as fpps are concerned. You won't see meaningful deposit-clearing FPPs until you reach .5/1... .5/1 LO8b is going to be your fpp sweet spot, and .5/1 Horse is going to be your cash cow for making actual money. You'll do splended in Razz and Stud because that's where the majority of Horse players are less than stellar. Get used to it, it's very fun and profitable. :)For horse, I would have at least 5 buy ins handy.. I wouldn't play .5/1 with less than $100.. But on the same token, it's not LHE or NLHE, so you aren't going to *lose* a lot of money, or entire buy ins ever.. I think you could earn a very solid profit playing .25/.50 LO8 and Horse, but I don't think you would even come close to clearing *any* bonus without some serious, serious volume.. PM me if you need anything specific.

[Cappy37 0]

I didn't raise flop because I wanted to get more people in on the flop to pick up a potential draw on the turn. Doesn't raising the flop potentially take away some of our value on later streets by getting called down instead of c/r'ing any turn?

Don't listen to him.. C/Ring turn is where the money is, and your line got the max profit out of the hand.The only downside is someone picking up a low draw (you *want* them to make a flush draw), but you can still charge them the max on the turn and they'd have to hit it on the river for half. Hero is in driver's seat, since he would have heard from the case AA (if together) pre-flop (plus he has an aces). The other bonus of low draws is if the low comes out, Beaver could get a 3-4 way capped river with a high-lock, which still is more money than he would have gotten going aggro on the flop and knocking out the lows to get HU against a worst high.note: a lot of Beaver's line is going to be dependent on how he plays regular hands, too.. If he's known for being mad aggro, betting out is probably the best line. If he's closer to the vest, getting sneaky is probably the best route to take for building a big pot and having a huuuuge edge in equity.

[jmbreslin 0]

Granted I suck at LO8 but isn't there a bit of a risk in "slowplaying" this hand multi-way? Any T, J, Q, or K potentially gives someone a higher boat.

[Cappy37 0]

Assuming they have some form of TTxx, JJxx, QQxx, or KKxx that calls that flop, possibly. Flush draws (which we got crushed and are rooting for) are far more likely.Nothing wrong with ramming and jamming, but if they flop is getting bet either way, "losing" the lead allows you to C/R the bigger money street (4th).

[jmbreslin 0]

True, but you also can't guarantee that someone is going to bet that flop. Having it checked through on the flop offsets some of the value you gain by getting in a check-raise on the turn.

[Pdiddydog 0]

I wish they were all this easy....PokerStars Game #24865070667: HORSE (Omaha Hi/Lo Limit, $0.10/$0.20) - 2009/02/12 15:19:36 ETTable 'Kraz IX' 8-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: HuRRicanE244 ($8.41 in chips) Seat 2: cupcake48 ($11.06 in chips) Seat 3: dylnat ($12.90 in chips) Seat 4: Albino Lord ($3.70 in chips) Seat 5: Beaverstyle ($3.45 in chips) Seat 7: Pezo76 ($7.97 in chips) Seat 8: Fly Waco ($2.90 in chips) dylnat: posts small blind $0.05Albino Lord: posts big blind $0.10*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Beaverstyle [5s 9c As 4c]Beaverstyle: raises $0.10 to $0.20Pezo76: calls $0.20Fly Waco: folds HuRRicanE244: calls $0.20cupcake48: calls $0.20dylnat: calls $0.15Albino Lord: calls $0.10*** FLOP *** [Ah 9h 9d]dylnat: checks Albino Lord: checks Beaverstyle: checks Pezo76: checks HuRRicanE244: bets $0.10cupcake48: calls $0.10dylnat: folds Albino Lord: folds Beaverstyle: calls $0.10Pezo76: calls $0.10*** TURN *** [Ah 9h 9d] [3h]Beaverstyle: checks Pezo76: checks HuRRicanE244: bets $0.20cupcake48: calls $0.20Beaverstyle: raises $0.20 to $0.40Pezo76: folds HuRRicanE244: folds cupcake48: calls $0.20*** RIVER *** [Ah 9h 9d 3h] [6c]Beaverstyle: bets $0.20cupcake48: raises $0.20 to $0.40Beaverstyle: raises $0.20 to $0.60cupcake48: raises $0.20 to $0.80Betting is cappedBeaverstyle: calls $0.20*** SHOW DOWN ***cupcake48: shows [9s Qd Kd 6s] (HI: a full house, Nines full of Sixes)Beaverstyle: shows [5s 9c As 4c] (HI: a full house, Nines full of Aces; LO: 6,5,4,3,A)Beaverstyle collected $2 from potBeaverstyle collected $2 from potStandard, amirite?

This is for sure standard against decent players, given the board texture if you jam here good players will easily put you on a monster here if you raise and save bets. However, given the level of play I have seen here at these low limits, I think you could take a more aggressive line since no one at this level has ANY reading ability; they have enough trouble reading their own hand.

[uncooper 1]

So I just made a deposit on Pstars, looking to log a lot of HORSE hands and get a deposit bonus rather quickly. Probably going to 2-3 table HORSE and maybe add a table of Limit O8.As far as bankroll management is concerned, what kind of BR should I have to play .25/.50 HORSE? I'm not going to be playing a ridiculous amount of hands or anything, so what would you (you limit gurus) would consider proper for that level bankroll-BB wise? I'm planning on playing pretty close to the standard limits for my bankroll, I'm relatively tired of redepositing. Oh, and eff tournies, I'm done w/ those for a while. FWIW, I consider myself to be relatively decent at every game in HORSE. Surprisingly, I tend to do the best at RAZZ and Stud8. I'm hoping to log enough hands and post them to identify some potential leaks. Hopefully I can offer some helpful advice here too!

How experienced are you at multitabling stud games? I wouldn't add a 2nd HORSE table unless you are really destroying the games, because you lose so much if you can't keep track of dead cards.

[Cappy37 0]

I learned something tonight: 3.5 buy ins at $1/2 Horse is $140.. Holy freakin' cow.I wish this 25 zillionth hand promotion on Stars would *never* end.

[BeaverStyle 1]

My first LOL razz hand. And yes, I know I'm LOLretarded for not leading or c/ring river:PokerStars Game #24899661200: HORSE (Razz Limit, $0.50/$1.00) - 2009/02/13 14:37:18 ETTable 'Priska IV' 8-maxSeat 1: shep2k ($29.30 in chips) Seat 2: Thatzpokah ($8.95 in chips) Seat 3: Beaverstyle ($18.80 in chips) Seat 4: Evoli ($6.75 in chips) Seat 5: veigald ($21 in chips) Seat 6: xMEDIUMx ($52.25 in chips) Seat 7: bigmike59 ($22.90 in chips) Seat 8: eightclypse ($29.50 in chips) Thatzpokah: posts the ante $0.05Beaverstyle: posts the ante $0.05Evoli: posts the ante $0.05veigald: posts the ante $0.05xMEDIUMx: posts the ante $0.05bigmike59: posts the ante $0.05eightclypse: posts the ante $0.05shep2k: posts the ante $0.05*** 3rd STREET ***Dealt to shep2k [2d]Dealt to Thatzpokah [2c]Dealt to Beaverstyle [3c As 2h]Dealt to Evoli [9h]Dealt to veigald [5d]Dealt to xMEDIUMx [3s]Dealt to bigmike59 [5c]Dealt to eightclypse [9d]Evoli: brings in for $0.25veigald: folds xMEDIUMx: raises $0.25 to $0.50bigmike59: folds eightclypse: folds shep2k: folds Thatzpokah: folds Beaverstyle: calls $0.50Evoli: folds *** 4th STREET ***Dealt to Beaverstyle [3c As 2h] [Kc]Dealt to xMEDIUMx [3s] [3h]Beaverstyle: bets $0.50xMEDIUMx: raises $0.50 to $1Beaverstyle: raises $0.50 to $1.50xMEDIUMx: raises $0.50 to $2Betting is cappedBeaverstyle: calls $0.50*** 5th STREET ***Dealt to Beaverstyle [3c As 2h Kc] [7c]Dealt to xMEDIUMx [3s 3h] [8c]Beaverstyle: bets $1xMEDIUMx: raises $1 to $2Beaverstyle: raises $1 to $3xMEDIUMx: raises $1 to $4Betting is cappedBeaverstyle: calls $1*** 6th STREET ***Dealt to Beaverstyle [3c As 2h Kc 7c] [6d]Dealt to xMEDIUMx [3s 3h 8c] [2s]Beaverstyle: bets $1xMEDIUMx: calls $1*** RIVER ***Dealt to Beaverstyle [3c As 2h Kc 7c 6d] [8h]Beaverstyle: checks xMEDIUMx: bets $1Beaverstyle: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***xMEDIUMx: shows [5h 7h 3s 3h 8c 2s Ts] (Lo: 8,7,5,3,2)Beaverstyle: shows [3c As 2h Kc 7c 6d 8h] (Lo: 7,6,3,2,A)Beaverstyle collected $17.15 from potIs check/calling river really bad? I'm thinking leading/calling a raise is best here. (maybe even cap river?)

[Pdiddydog 0]

My first LOL razz hand. And yes, I know I'm LOLretarded for not leading or c/ring river:PokerStars Game #24899661200: HORSE (Razz Limit, $0.50/$1.00) - 2009/02/13 14:37:18 ETTable 'Priska IV' 8-maxSeat 1: shep2k ($29.30 in chips) Seat 2: Thatzpokah ($8.95 in chips) Seat 3: Beaverstyle ($18.80 in chips) Seat 4: Evoli ($6.75 in chips) Seat 5: veigald ($21 in chips) Seat 6: xMEDIUMx ($52.25 in chips) Seat 7: bigmike59 ($22.90 in chips) Seat 8: eightclypse ($29.50 in chips) Thatzpokah: posts the ante $0.05Beaverstyle: posts the ante $0.05Evoli: posts the ante $0.05veigald: posts the ante $0.05xMEDIUMx: posts the ante $0.05bigmike59: posts the ante $0.05eightclypse: posts the ante $0.05shep2k: posts the ante $0.05*** 3rd STREET ***Dealt to shep2k [2d]Dealt to Thatzpokah [2c]Dealt to Beaverstyle [3c As 2h]Dealt to Evoli [9h]Dealt to veigald [5d]Dealt to xMEDIUMx [3s]Dealt to bigmike59 [5c]Dealt to eightclypse [9d]Evoli: brings in for $0.25veigald: folds xMEDIUMx: raises $0.25 to $0.50bigmike59: folds eightclypse: folds shep2k: folds Thatzpokah: folds Beaverstyle: calls $0.50Evoli: folds *** 4th STREET ***Dealt to Beaverstyle [3c As 2h] [Kc]Dealt to xMEDIUMx [3s] [3h]Beaverstyle: bets $0.50xMEDIUMx: raises $0.50 to $1Beaverstyle: raises $0.50 to $1.50xMEDIUMx: raises $0.50 to $2Betting is cappedBeaverstyle: calls $0.50*** 5th STREET ***Dealt to Beaverstyle [3c As 2h Kc] [7c]Dealt to xMEDIUMx [3s 3h] [8c]Beaverstyle: bets $1xMEDIUMx: raises $1 to $2Beaverstyle: raises $1 to $3xMEDIUMx: raises $1 to $4Betting is cappedBeaverstyle: calls $1*** 6th STREET ***Dealt to Beaverstyle [3c As 2h Kc 7c] [6d]Dealt to xMEDIUMx [3s 3h 8c] [2s]Beaverstyle: bets $1xMEDIUMx: calls $1*** RIVER ***Dealt to Beaverstyle [3c As 2h Kc 7c 6d] [8h]Beaverstyle: checks xMEDIUMx: bets $1Beaverstyle: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***xMEDIUMx: shows [5h 7h 3s 3h 8c 2s Ts] (Lo: 8,7,5,3,2)Beaverstyle: shows [3c As 2h Kc 7c 6d 8h] (Lo: 7,6,3,2,A)Beaverstyle collected $17.15 from potIs check/calling river really bad? I'm thinking leading/calling a raise is best here. (maybe even cap river?)

I would jam on 3rd street, check-raise 6th street, and lead on the river, also I think I played that guy before, really spewy I would check-raise the river if I took a more passive line in the hand.

[jmbreslin 0]

He has to hit a miracle card on the river and most players way overplay marginal hands in Razz, so yes to leading/raising the river.Also, how about a 3-bet on 3rd? With A23 and three duplicates on the board, you're in a pretty dominant starting position. Or were you trying to disguise your strength?

[Cappy37 0]

Lol Beaver.. My favorite part by far is villain helping you cap 2 streets (one big) and *then* coming to the realization you *might* actually have a hand that's better than his.As for your question: Check/Calling river with a hand that strong is a 50/50 "read" thing.. It's a great tool to have, because against many opponents you'd get bet at in spots where they wouldn't even call your river bet. It's especially important in stud8 when your opponent is low, to minimize your losses. Say your opponent "needs" a perfect card to beat you.. betting into him is the only way the river will cost you two bets. So it's a decent defensive weapon too.That said, lately I've stopped Check/calling on the river so much (esp in razz) now that even the donkeys have figured out ppl don't always have the hands that they are repping, and 9-lows and T-lows occasionally are the best hand.Now if they ever make the link to 9-low being a monster when 3rd read 4, A, 6, 8, 5, J, 5, 4..... Then we're all in trouble. Thankfully, that's a loooong way off.

[BeaverStyle 1]

I would jam on 3rd street, check-raise 6th street, and lead on the river, also I think I played that guy before, really spewy I would check-raise the river if I took a more passive line in the hand.

I see why c'ring 6th street is the right play. The deuce certainly helped his hand but he's still obviously behind me. If I check, competent (at razz) villains would obviously check behind w/ only a possible 8 low when I'm showing a 7 low. However, since this guy capped 4th street w/ a pair of 3's showing, we can assume this guy doesn't fall into the "competent villains" category.

My favorite part by far is villain helping you cap 2 streets (one big) and *then* coming to the realization you *might* actually have a hand that's better than his.

I had to re-check that we were playing razz because I couldn't understand how he could raise there. Then I LOL and CIB.

[Pdiddydog 0]

I see why c'ring 6th street is the right play. The deuce certainly helped his hand but he's still obviously behind me. If I check, competent (at razz) villains would obviously check behind w/ only a possible 8 low when I'm showing a 7 low. However, since this guy capped 4th street w/ a pair of 3's showing, we can assume this guy doesn't fall into the "competent villains" category.

Actually beaver a good player should bet there if they’ve made an 8 low since you may have paired. You should check there for a few reasons 1) you can represent that you paired your 6 by checking 2) both of you have strong boards at this point and 3) you’ll get two bets (or more) in if he made an 8 low as well as give him a chance to “catch up” if he has paired.

[Pdiddydog 0]

Here are a couple interesting hands from a heads up Stud 8 session. Thoughts?Stud 8 # 13rd Street - (0.75 SB)Vil 1: xx xx A:club:___raises___callsHero: A:spade: 7:spade: 2:club:___raises4th Street - (2.50 SB)Vil 1: xx xx A:club: T:diamond:___bets___callsHero: A:spade: 7:spade: 2:club: 9:diamond:___raises5th Street - (3.25 BB)Vil 1: xx xx A:club: T:diamond: J:club:___checks___foldsHero: A:spade: 7:spade: 2:club: 9:diamond: K:diamond:___betsStud 8 #23rd Street - (0.75 SB)Vil 1: xx xx 6:heart:___bring inHero: T:club: T:heart: 9:heart:___calls4th Street - (1.00 SB)Vil 1: xx xx 6:heart: A:club:___betsHero: T:club: T:heart: 9:heart: 2:heart:___calls5th Street - (1.50 BB)Vil 1: xx xx 6:heart: A:club: K:club:___bets___callsHero: T:club: T:heart: 9:heart: 2:heart: J:diamond:___raises 6th Street - (5.50 BB)Vil 2: xx xx 6:heart: A:club: K:club: 8:spade:___checks___callsHero: T:club: T:heart: 9:heart: 2:heart: J:diamond: A:heart:___betsRiver - (7.50 BB)Vil 2: xx xx 6:heart: A:club: K:club: 8:spade: xx___checksHero: T:club: T:heart: 9:heart: 2:heart: J:diamond: A:heart: 3:spade:___checksShowdown - (7.50 BB)

[checkymcfold 0]

Don't listen to him.. C/Ring turn is where the money is, and your line got the max profit out of the hand.The only downside is someone picking up a low draw (you *want* them to make a flush draw), but you can still charge them the max on the turn and they'd have to hit it on the river for half. Hero is in driver's seat, since he would have heard from the case AA (if together) pre-flop (plus he has an aces). The other bonus of low draws is if the low comes out, Beaver could get a 3-4 way capped river with a high-lock, which still is more money than he would have gotten going aggro on the flop and knocking out the lows to get HU against a worst high.note: a lot of Beaver's line is going to be dependent on how he plays regular hands, too.. If he's known for being mad aggro, betting out is probably the best line. If he's closer to the vest, getting sneaky is probably the best route to take for building a big pot and having a huuuuge edge in equity.

i agree with this pretty much 100%, including the whole thought process.that said, as you move up and hit more thoughtful players, you will have to play the hand very differently. if you raised pre, you will have to bet the flop as a c-bet and just pray to jeebus that someone has the case nine, because not enough people will be sticking around often enough to make a half pot more profitable than a whole one.in general, i guess, at lower limits/live o8, i would slowplay every time. at higher limits, slowplaying is pretty much a ginormous whoopsie across the board.