coesillian 0 Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 but can the elephant do this: Link to post Share on other sites
Sal Paradise 57 Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I disagree. Some animals posess self awareness (humans, orangs) and some animals can exhibit symptoms of PTSD (elephants) when they have a highly traumatic experience in infancy. Furthermore, some animals are equipped with more highly developed nervous systems, thus pain is transmitted more effectively and has not only a physiological effect but a behavioral effect as well. Meaning that pain does not only cause an immediate fight or flight response but can inexorably cause a fundamental shift in natural behaviors, even to the point of over riding basic instinct patterns. Therefore, the effects of pain stimulii on a tapeworm does not carry as significant of result as the effects of the same stimulii on an animal with a more highly developed nervous system.lly stay at your house last night?LOL.This whole 'rehab' story is all fictitious ground cover.You know those Chinamen ate that elephant.mmmm... elephant steak marinated in heroin. Link to post Share on other sites
Stevey 0 Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Who gives Heroin to an Elephant... Oh. Link to post Share on other sites
Tank4Daze 0 Posted September 22, 2008 Author Share Posted September 22, 2008 i feel that showing other men that i too like the way girls look better communicates to them that i am a part of their community. i'm very comfortable portraying women in whichever light i choose to communicate this.if you talked with someone who was devoutly vegan they would think you are insane for not realizing the suffering that chickens and cows are put through before they are slaughtered is the same that this elephant went through. i would be inclined to believe that they are "more right" if there is such a thing. they realize that the motives behind any animal abuse is wrong where you recognize that only the motives behind certain animal abuse is wrong.we are all animals. that which is good for our survival feels good (sex, being healthy, helping others, etc.) and that which is bad for our survival feels bad (chemical dependence, unhealthiness, selfishness, etc.) there's no real animal hierarchy. no species is necessarily "better" than another species. we just all have evolved into a certain niche, and certain niches require animals to be smarter where others do not. but it does not mean that species of less intelligence don't feel the same pain that an elephant does.in many cases it actually does Link to post Share on other sites
Tank4Daze 0 Posted September 22, 2008 Author Share Posted September 22, 2008 very very well said. i shall consider it more. i guess my first thought would be that there actually is a pain hierarchy within the animal kingdom and that i mis-spoke or was wrong (take your pick). is there any correlation between intelligence and nervous system development? i was just thinking from the point of view that all pain is an instinct that is programed within us, and every animal must feel pain when it is not procreating in a more generalized sense.oh,i should read the rest of the responses in the future before i post,i guess its worked itself outoh and as for the Brick stuff,u responded,but didnt answer my question...LOL jk/ it doesnt matter,was kind of rhetorical (considering i know what happend to it,u replaced it all with hot chicks)also id like to add that im by no means an activist or expert on the subject.i just read a story that touched me,and i responded with a thread,and posted some of my opinions on the subject,and encouraged others to do the same Link to post Share on other sites
Tank4Daze 0 Posted September 22, 2008 Author Share Posted September 22, 2008 LOL.This whole 'rehab' story is all fictitious ground cover.You know those Chinamen ate that elephant.LOLu know ur the only one that noticed it was the golden triangle...ergo chinamen..not indians as stated by everyone else...haha well done.u must have been the best at wheres waldo in school Link to post Share on other sites
hank213 1,823 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 lly stay at your house last night?I don't swallow and tell. Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,723 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 I don't swallow and tell.you just did. Link to post Share on other sites
Tank4Daze 0 Posted September 23, 2008 Author Share Posted September 23, 2008 you just did.BURN!!!!EDIT:triple post,how does that even happen? the system to just seemed to freeze as i was posting (editing actually)....and boom 3 dupes Link to post Share on other sites
Tank4Daze 0 Posted September 23, 2008 Author Share Posted September 23, 2008 you just did.BURN!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Tank4Daze 0 Posted September 23, 2008 Author Share Posted September 23, 2008 BURN!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 it's a parable.It's stupid. STUPID!a better example might be a good father who would take 50 punches to his face to save his son from taking one.Well that's just unrealistic. This might be a stupid question, but.. why didn't they just keep giving the ****ing elephant heron? He was obviously extremely addicted to it, and going cold turkey put him in insane pain and discomfort.. why not just keep feeding him heroin and let him be docile, high and happy all the time? What would that harm? Yes, I think it's cruel to get the animal addicted to smack, but once he is, isn't it so much crueler to make him quit than it is to keep him addicted? What's the worst that could happen, he hangs out infront of my local coffee house with a "Will Work for Peanuts" sign and a crappy acoustic guitar?If the only effects of heroin were feeling high and happy, there would be a lot more people addicted to it. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of negative side effects that would severely cut into the elephant's overall health and life expectancy. If you want to argue about the merits of a 5 year life of high happiness vs a 15 year life of a year of pain followed by mediocrity, that's another story. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Navy's sig is the only thing good about this thread.And I didn't even read it, so there! Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,355 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 It's stupid. STUPID!Well that's just unrealistic. If the only effects of heroin were feeling high and happy, there would be a lot more people addicted to it. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of negative side effects that would severely cut into the elephant's overall health and life expectancy. If you want to argue about the merits of a 5 year life of high happiness vs a 15 year life of a year of pain followed by mediocrity, that's another story.Yeah, it just seems more cruel to me to make the elephant quit, after you have him addicted, but what the hell do I know about Pachyderm Drug depencacy.. you could chop that elephant up, for all I really care. I think my perfered way of handling it is selling his penis and tusks to Hong Kong as virtility drugs, and ship me the tusks, so I can re-key my piano.. Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Yeah, it just seems more cruel to me to make the elephant quit, after you have him addicted, but what the hell do I know about Pachyderm Drug depencacy.. you could chop that elephant up, for all I really care. I think my perfered way of handling it is selling his penis and tusks to Hong Kong as virtility drugs, and ship me the tusks, so I can re-key my piano..I thoroughly enjoyed your meshing of "fertility" and "virility", even if it was accidental.Actually, upon furthur review...has BigD been drinking tonight? That's quite the typo-riddled post. Link to post Share on other sites
chrozzo 19 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 jus sayin...dunno if its been mentioned...butyou spelled elephant wrong Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,355 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 I thoroughly enjoyed your meshing of "fertility" and "virility", even if it was accidental.Actually, upon furthur review...has BigD been drinking tonight? That's quite the typo-riddled post.Nope.. though I do have my monitor set to a really big ratio, so all the the text is small, and I sit far away from the monitor, so I've been reluctant to squint and proof read tonight. I make a legion of typing and spelling errors anyway, I'm just too lazy to even attempt to correct them tonight. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,355 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 jus sayin...dunno if its been mentioned...butyou spelled elephant wrongHave you ever considered converting to Buddhism and then setting yourself on fire in protest of China's occupation of Tibet? if you haven't, you should. Link to post Share on other sites
chrozzo 19 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Have you ever considered converting to Buddhism and then setting yourself on fire in protest of China's occupation of Tibet? if you haven't, you should.wow...that was harsh! Link to post Share on other sites
loogie 115 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 wow...that was harsh!It's nothing compared to your lack of support for Tibet. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Navy's sig is the only thing good about this thread.And I didn't even read it, so there!hells yeah it is.It's nothing compared to your lack of support for Tibet.i SERIOUSLY laughed out loud at this.i love chrozzo. Link to post Share on other sites
Sal Paradise 57 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Navy's sig is the only thing good about this thread.And I didn't even read it, so there!chicks! Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 chicks!That's what I'm talking about [high-five]! Link to post Share on other sites
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