Conquering Mixed Games

[Pdiddydog 0]

I have enjoyed this thread very much as well. I will post a couple more discussion questions, anyone want to talk about any game specifically?

[jmbreslin 0]

Lately my attention has been on 2-7 TD but I would like to focus more on Stud and Stud 8.

[gfdsa146 0]

Lately my attention has been on 2-7 TD but I would like to focus more on Stud and Stud 8.

How the hell do i get the rest of the cards to show as colored pictures??Notes:Piranha has been caught playing a gigantically wide range of hands on 3rd - 78T, JT8, 62J, 799, A98, 32J, Q5A. He's also overplayed certain hands such as making an 8-low on the river and raising into two other low-biased boards as well, both of which could have easily had him out-lowed.Misskim has been caught playing this garbage as well on 3rd - J9T, 3TA, QKT. Hand #206131326567 Card Stud *High-Low* ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 *3rd Street* - (1.60 SB)gfdsa146: ___raisesMKandERK: xx xx ___foldstoptick55: xx xx ___foldswindowjumper: xx xx ___foldsmaya38: xx xx ___callsxMissKimx: xx xx ___callspirahna30: xx xx ___callsapache 7: xx xx ___*brings-in*___folds*4th Street* - (6.00 SB)gfdsa146: ___betsmaya38: xx xx ___callsxMissKimx: xx xx ___*checks*___callspirahna30: xx xx ___checks___calls*5th Street* - (5.00 BB)gfdsa146: ___betsmaya38: xx xx ___callsxMissKimx: xx xx ___callspirahna30: xx xx ___*checks*___calls*6th Street* - (9.00 BB)gfdsa146: ___checks___callsmaya38: xx xx ___betsxMissKimx: xx xx ___callspirahna30: xx xx ___*checks*___calls*River* - (13.00 BB)gfdsa146: :club: ___foldsmaya38: xx xx xx___raises___raisesxMissKimx: xx xx xx___raises___callspirahna30: xx xx xx___*bets*___calls___calls*Total pot:* (25.00 BB)

[Pdiddydog 0]

How the hell do i get the rest of the cards to show as colored pictures??Notes:Piranha has been caught playing a gigantically wide range of hands on 3rd - 78T, JT8, 62J, 799, A98, 32J, Q5A. He's also overplayed certain hands such as making an 8-low on the river and raising into two other low-biased boards as well, both of which could have easily had him out-lowed.Misskim has been caught playing this garbage as well on 3rd - J9T, 3TA, QKT. Hand #206131326567 Card Stud *High-Low* ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 *3rd Street* - (1.60 SB)gfdsa146: ___raisesMKandERK: xx xx ___foldstoptick55: xx xx ___foldswindowjumper: xx xx ___foldsmaya38: xx xx ___callsxMissKimx: xx xx ___callspirahna30: xx xx ___callsapache 7: xx xx ___*brings-in*___folds*4th Street* - (6.00 SB)gfdsa146: ___betsmaya38: xx xx ___callsxMissKimx: xx xx ___*checks*___callspirahna30: xx xx ___checks___calls*5th Street* - (5.00 BB)gfdsa146: ___betsmaya38: xx xx ___callsxMissKimx: xx xx ___callspirahna30: xx xx ___*checks*___calls*6th Street* - (9.00 BB)gfdsa146: ___checks___callsmaya38: xx xx ___betsxMissKimx: xx xx ___callspirahna30: xx xx ___*checks*___calls*River* - (13.00 BB)gfdsa146: :club: ___foldsmaya38: xx xx xx___raises___raisesxMissKimx: xx xx xx___raises___callspirahna30: xx xx xx___*bets*___calls___calls*Total pot:* (25.00 BB)

I would fold on 6th despite getting 12 to 1 odds, you’re probably drawing dead on the low side and a huge underdog on the high side, in fact I just did a simulation on my computer and you were a 37 to 1 underdog on the high side against some of their likely holdings. Save the bet.

[gfdsa146 0]

I would fold on 6th despite getting 12 to 1 odds, you’re probably drawing dead on the low side and a huge underdog on the high side, in fact I just did a simulation on my computer and you were a 37 to 1 underdog on the high side against some of their likely holdings. Save the bet.

omfg wow...i thought maya was the bring in. I would have pretty much insta-folded 6th if i knew that maya limped on 3rd. Yeah pretty obvious mistake on my part.

[Pdiddydog 0]

omfg wow...i thought maya was the bring in. I would have pretty much insta-folded 6th if i knew that maya limped on 3rd. Yeah pretty obvious mistake on my part.

Even if maya was the bring in he/she could have a random Ace or 6 is his/her hand and still be in the same shape. Plus you have to worry about the others who could be on better draws and make it on the river. It's just an awkward spot to be in there.

[gfdsa146 0]

Plus you have to worry about the others who could be on better draws and make it on the river.

I ONLY need to worry about maya here. i've already said that piranha and misskim are gigantic call donks and they rate to have random garbage more often than having a big pair/three good babies in the hole here.

[gfdsa146 0]

Even if maya was the bring in he/she could have a random Ace or 6 is his/her hand and still be in the same shape.

I have two of the 6's and an ace i my hand. I got blockers. Whether or not its enough to justify the 6th street call - that i don't know.

[Pdiddydog 0]

I ONLY need to worry about maya here. i've already said that piranha and misskim are gigantic call donks and they rate to have random garbage more often than having a big pair/three good babies in the hole here.

True but piranha could have a random diamond in his/her hand and misskim could be on some weirdo draw as well. What was the results of the hand?

[Pdiddydog 0]

I have two of the 6's and an ace i my hand. I got blockers. Whether or not its enough to justify the 6th street call - that i don't know.

I don't think it makes much of a difference in this situation.

[antistuff 0]

i was thinking the same thing, fold 6th. two fives are out and it don't look good for you on the low side.

[jmbreslin 0]

A 2-7 hand that cost me some cash:Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($0.10/$0.20) (converter)SB ($8.65), Seat 2BB ($6.57), Seat 3UTG ($3.47), Seat 4Hero ($4.47), Seat 5CO ($4.87), Seat 6Button ($11.97), Seat 1Button at Seat 1.SB posts $0.05. BB posts $0.10. Hand: [3d 4h 8h 3s 7h]Round 1: (1.50 SB)UTG calls. Hero calls. CO calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB checks. SB takes 3. BB takes 4. UTG takes 1. Hero discards 3d. CO takes 2. Button takes 4. Hand: [4h 8h 3s 7h 4c]Round 2: (6.00 SB)SB checks. BB checks. UTG bets. Hero calls. CO calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB calls. SB takes 1. BB takes 2. UTG takes 1. Hero discards 4h. CO takes 1. Button takes 3. Hand: [8h 3s 7h 4c 2s]Round 3: (6.00 BB)SB checks. BB checks. UTG bets. Hero calls. CO folds. Button calls. SB folds. BB calls. BB takes 2. UTG stands pat. Hero stands pat. Button takes 2. Hand: [8h 3s 7h 4c 2s]Round 4: (10.00 BB)BB folds. UTG bets. Hero calls. Button folds. Total pot: (12.00 BB - $2.40)

[jmbreslin 0]

And another one:Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($0.10/$0.20) (converter)SB ($3.60), Seat 3BB ($4), Seat 4Hero ($4.38), Seat 5MP ($6.34), Seat 6CO ($4.50), Seat 1Button ($7.21), Seat 2Button at Seat 2.SB posts $0.05. BB posts $0.10. Hand: [9s 4c 7h 2d 8c]Round 1: (1.50 SB)Hero calls. MP folds. CO calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB checks. SB takes 2. BB takes 3. Hero discards 9s. CO takes 3. Button takes 3. Hand: [4c 7h 2d 8c 3c]Round 2: (5.00 SB)SB checks. BB checks. Hero bets. CO calls. Button folds. SB calls. BB calls. SB takes 1. BB takes 1. Hero stands pat. CO takes 1. Hand: [4c 7h 2d 8c 3c]Round 3: (4.50 BB)SB checks. BB checks. Hero bets. CO calls. SB calls. BB calls. SB stands pat. BB takes 1. Hero stands pat. CO takes 1. Hand: [4c 7h 2d 8c 3c]Round 4: (8.50 BB)SB checks. BB checks. Hero bets. CO calls. SB calls. BB folds. Total pot: (11.50 BB - $2.30)

[jmbreslin 0]

And one more:Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($0.10/$0.20) (converter)Hero ($4.50), Seat 5BB ($4.74), Seat 6UTG ($2.57), Seat 1MP ($6.24), Seat 2CO ($5.23), Seat 3Button ($4.36), Seat 4Button at Seat 4.Hero posts $0.05. BB posts $0.10. Hand: [5s 3d 8s 4s 6s]Round 1: (1.50 SB)UTG calls. MP folds. CO raises. Button folds. Hero calls. BB calls. UTG calls. Hero stands pat. BB takes 2. UTG takes 2. CO takes 1. Hand: [5s 3d 8s 4s 6s]Round 2: (8.00 SB)Hero bets. BB folds. UTG folds. CO calls. Hero stands pat. CO takes 1. Hand: [5s 3d 8s 4s 6s]Round 3: (5.00 BB)Hero bets. CO calls. Hero stands pat. CO takes 1. Hand: [5s 3d 8s 4s 6s]Round 4: (7.00 BB)Hero bets. CO raises. Hero calls. Total pot: (11.00 BB - $2.20)

[antistuff 0]

A 2-7 hand that cost me some cash:Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($0.10/$0.20) (converter)SB ($8.65), Seat 2BB ($6.57), Seat 3UTG ($3.47), Seat 4Hero ($4.47), Seat 5CO ($4.87), Seat 6Button ($11.97), Seat 1Button at Seat 1.SB posts $0.05. BB posts $0.10. Hand: [3d 4h 8h 3s 7h]Round 1: (1.50 SB)UTG calls. Hero calls. CO calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB checks. SB takes 3. BB takes 4. UTG takes 1. Hero discards 3d. CO takes 2. Button takes 4. Hand: [4h 8h 3s 7h 4c]

unless you thought a raise would get you HU with utg just fold predraw. your hand actually kinda sucks in this situation.

Round 2: (6.00 SB)SB checks. BB checks. UTG bets. Hero calls. CO calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB calls. SB takes 1. BB takes 2. UTG takes 1. Hero discards 4h. CO takes 1. Button takes 3. Hand: [8h 3s 7h 4c 2s]

your call here sucks with all those people yet to act

Round 3: (6.00 BB)SB checks. BB checks. UTG bets. Hero calls. CO folds. Button calls. SB folds. BB calls. BB takes 2. UTG stands pat. Hero stands pat. Button takes 2. Hand: [8h 3s 7h 4c 2s]

you hit the only card in the deck you like. you need to raise. make people go away. make utg pay to out draw you. something worth noting is that even though you hit your miracle card (in a family pot consider deuces to be scarce) you still don't like your hand very much. if he three bets you i guess the pot is big enough where you have to break and draw at the wheel.

Round 4: (10.00 BB)BB folds. UTG bets. Hero calls. Button folds. Total pot: (12.00 BB - $2.40)

even though you have to call, you're probably not good here 1 time in 11. -------------------in a game this loose you can win a decent amount just playing for the nuts. i would say a good rule of thumb is don't ever play a hand predraw that doesn't have a deuce in it.

[Pdiddydog 0]

A 2-7 hand that cost me some cash:Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($0.10/$0.20) (converter)SB ($8.65), Seat 2BB ($6.57), Seat 3UTG ($3.47), Seat 4Hero ($4.47), Seat 5CO ($4.87), Seat 6Button ($11.97), Seat 1Button at Seat 1.SB posts $0.05. BB posts $0.10. Hand: [3d 4h 8h 3s 7h]Round 1: (1.50 SB)UTG calls. Hero calls. CO calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB checks. SB takes 3. BB takes 4. UTG takes 1. Hero discards 3d. CO takes 2. Button takes 4. Hand: [4h 8h 3s 7h 4c]Round 2: (6.00 SB)SB checks. BB checks. UTG bets. Hero calls. CO calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB calls. SB takes 1. BB takes 2. UTG takes 1. Hero discards 4h. CO takes 1. Button takes 3. Hand: [8h 3s 7h 4c 2s]Round 3: (6.00 BB)SB checks. BB checks. UTG bets. Hero calls. CO folds. Button calls. SB folds. BB calls. BB takes 2. UTG stands pat. Hero stands pat. Button takes 2. Hand: [8h 3s 7h 4c 2s]Round 4: (10.00 BB)BB folds. UTG bets. Hero calls. Button folds. Total pot: (12.00 BB - $2.40)

I would raise pre-draw as they are obviously calling light, I would absolutely re-raise after the 1st draw as you have a pat 8 and a wheel draw, if he plays back at you hard consider breaking the 8 and draw to the wheel but your raise will limit the field. I would also fold the river if I thought I was beat.

[Pdiddydog 0]

And another one:Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($0.10/$0.20) (converter)SB ($3.60), Seat 3BB ($4), Seat 4Hero ($4.38), Seat 5MP ($6.34), Seat 6CO ($4.50), Seat 1Button ($7.21), Seat 2Button at Seat 2.SB posts $0.05. BB posts $0.10. Hand: [9s 4c 7h 2d 8c]Round 1: (1.50 SB)Hero calls. MP folds. CO calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB checks. SB takes 2. BB takes 3. Hero discards 9s. CO takes 3. Button takes 3. Hand: [4c 7h 2d 8c 3c]Round 2: (5.00 SB)SB checks. BB checks. Hero bets. CO calls. Button folds. SB calls. BB calls. SB takes 1. BB takes 1. Hero stands pat. CO takes 1. Hand: [4c 7h 2d 8c 3c]Round 3: (4.50 BB)SB checks. BB checks. Hero bets. CO calls. SB calls. BB calls. SB stands pat. BB takes 1. Hero stands pat. CO takes 1. Hand: [4c 7h 2d 8c 3c]Round 4: (8.50 BB)SB checks. BB checks. Hero bets. CO calls. SB calls. BB folds. Total pot: (11.50 BB - $2.30)

Again I would raise pre-draw and I wouldn't value bet the river since they are most likely drawing better then you and your hand is the equivalent of a J in a multiway pot.

[checkymcfold 0]

jmbreslin, a general comment about your 2-7 play--you need to raise in a LOT more spots where you're just playing passively in order to thin the field and give yourself a better chance to win the money in the pot, both predraw and postdraw.

[antistuff 0]

And another one:Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($0.10/$0.20) (converter)SB ($3.60), Seat 3BB ($4), Seat 4Hero ($4.38), Seat 5MP ($6.34), Seat 6CO ($4.50), Seat 1Button ($7.21), Seat 2Button at Seat 2.SB posts $0.05. BB posts $0.10. Hand: [9s 4c 7h 2d 8c]Round 1: (1.50 SB)Hero calls. MP folds. CO calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB checks. SB takes 2. BB takes 3. Hero discards 9s. CO takes 3. Button takes 3. Hand: [4c 7h 2d 8c 3c]

you know what i am going to say here before i say it. raising this predraw is mandatory. once you see that many people in i am actually unsure if you should draw to the 247 or the 2478. an 87 is going to get beat most of the time with this many players.

Round 2: (5.00 SB)SB checks. BB checks. Hero bets. CO calls. Button folds. SB calls. BB calls. SB takes 1. BB takes 1. Hero stands pat. CO takes 1. Hand: [4c 7h 2d 8c 3c]

good.

Round 3: (4.50 BB)SB checks. BB checks. Hero bets. CO calls. SB calls. BB calls. SB stands pat. BB takes 1. Hero stands pat. CO takes 1. Hand: [4c 7h 2d 8c 3c]

you don't like that there are this many people in and you don't like that they all drew one on the second draw. regardless, i feel that betting is correct. at this point after sb stands pat and the other two each draw one card i would be expecting to lose.

Round 4: (8.50 BB)SB checks. BB checks. Hero bets. CO calls. SB calls. BB folds. Total pot: (11.50 BB - $2.30)

one of the great things about your opponents is that they will not value bet hands that they should. this is one of the places that you can get an easy edge over them. however, what you did here is accidentally value bet for one of them.

[Pdiddydog 0]

And one more:Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($0.10/$0.20) (converter)Hero ($4.50), Seat 5BB ($4.74), Seat 6UTG ($2.57), Seat 1MP ($6.24), Seat 2CO ($5.23), Seat 3Button ($4.36), Seat 4Button at Seat 4.Hero posts $0.05. BB posts $0.10. Hand: [5s 3d 8s 4s 6s]Round 1: (1.50 SB)UTG calls. MP folds. CO raises. Button folds. Hero calls. BB calls. UTG calls. Hero stands pat. BB takes 2. UTG takes 2. CO takes 1. Hand: [5s 3d 8s 4s 6s]Round 2: (8.00 SB)Hero bets. BB folds. UTG folds. CO calls. Hero stands pat. CO takes 1. Hand: [5s 3d 8s 4s 6s]Round 3: (5.00 BB)Hero bets. CO calls. Hero stands pat. CO takes 1. Hand: [5s 3d 8s 4s 6s]Round 4: (7.00 BB)Hero bets. CO raises. Hero calls. Total pot: (11.00 BB - $2.20)

Never ever ever ever ever flat call in this game with a pat hand. Re-raise pre-draw, the rest is pretty standard, I hope you would check a 87 on river though.

[antistuff 0]

Never ever ever ever ever flat call in this game with a pat hand. Re-raise pre-draw, the rest is pretty standard, I hope you would check a 87 on river though.

i think he should check/call the river.

[checkymcfold 0]

34568 is literally right on the line whether to vb the end or not. in a .10 game, i probably c/c with it since people are not going to have played good draws at all aggressively. in a higher game, you have to valuetown it, imo.

[checkymcfold 0]

hey, if we're gonna be posting this many hands, etc., we should move this to general and make a mixed game challenge thread, imo

[Pdiddydog 0]

hey, if we're gonna be posting this many hands, etc., we should move this to general and make a mixed game challenge thread, imo

Sure lets do it!!!

[Pdiddydog 0]

There was A LOT to this hand and I’m sure I will get some comments about it. This was a live hand and I was playing heads up 2 to 7 TD against a pretty decent player. Going in to this hand I was down a bit but still felt like I had the edge.Hero is ButtonVillain is Big Blind. Hand: [5s 3d 8s Jd 6s]Round 1: (1.50 SB)Hero raises. Villain raises. Hero caps. Villain takes 2. Hero takes 1.Hand: [5s 3d 8s 9d 6s]Round 2: (8.00 SB)Villain checks. Hero bets. Villain raises. Hero raises. Villain caps. Hero calls.Villain stands pat. Hero stands pat.Hand: [5s 3d 8s 9d 6s]Round 3: (12.00 BB)Villain bets. Hero raises. Villain calls. Villain takes 1. Hero stands pat. Hand: [5s 3d 8s 9d 6s]Round 4: (16.00 BB)Villain checks. Hero checks. Hand: [5s 3d 8s 9d 6s]Total pot: (16.00 BB)Results: In next post.