Familiarity (fr) (5/10)

[CobaltBlue 662]

Bodog 5/10 NLHE (9-handed)UTG $1162UTG+1 $962Cobalt $1350Cobalt is BB w/ . I should have a TAG or sLAG image. UTG seems a bit donkish of the loose variety with decent aggression. UTG+1 is a regular, but he's not particularly good.Pre-flop:UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 6 folds, Cobalt checksFlop ($35): :D (3 players)BB bets $20, UTG calls, 1 foldTurn ($75): (2 players)Cobalt bets $55, UTG callsRiver ($185): (2 players)Cobalt checks

[SwolyswoND 1]

Bodog 5/10 NLHE (9-handed)UTG $1162UTG+1 $962Cobalt $1350Cobalt is BB w/ . I should have a TAG or sLAG image. UTG seems a bit donkish of the loose variety with decent aggression. UTG+1 is a regular, but he's not particularly good.Pre-flop:UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 6 folds, Cobalt checksFlop ($35): :D (3 players)BB bets $20, UTG calls, 1 foldTurn ($75): (2 players)Cobalt bets $55, UTG callsRiver ($185): (2 players)Cobalt checks

Not sure I like this. I think UTG's range is weighted to Kx or a PP under the K, which to me says that he will probably call a good-sized river bet, but he can easily check behind here. Even if he does bet, is he likely to call your raise? Without more river-specific reads or history, I lean towards no, and as such favor a simple value bet on the river. Sometimes simplicity > trickiness.

[mtdesmoines 2]

Bodog 5/10 NLHE (9-handed)UTG $1162UTG+1 $962Cobalt $1350Cobalt is BB w/ . I should have a TAG or sLAG image. UTG seems a bit donkish of the loose variety with decent aggression. UTG+1 is a regular, but he's not particularly good.Pre-flop:UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 6 folds, Cobalt checksFlop ($35): :D (3 players)BB bets $20, UTG calls, 1 foldTurn ($75): (2 players)Cobalt bets $55, UTG callsRiver ($185): (2 players)Cobalt checks

Hero played a 5 high and needs to get the most value out of the hand for this style. Villain shows aggression. I think another 80% PSB might get us paid the most over time. We can shove and look bluffy, but aggro doesn't nec. = station. I don't mind the check if we know villain fires hard at us.

[LJB723 0]

If you have reason to believe he will value bet a K or a busted flush then I like it. But without a read I think I just valuetown him.

[Biff Goods 0]

i bet 70-80 on the river...

[krup24 0]

UTG seems a bit donkish of the loose variety with decent aggression.

love the check

[KevinFKHS 0]

i bet 70-80 on the river...

What? To induce a raise!?I'd bet around 135 on that river, I hate the c/r attempt tbh. I doubt we'll get anything out of him there unless he bluffs a busted flush draw...

[trystero 0]

I kind of like the weak river bet line ($80's too low; I'd go for ~$110). One, because it's value betting his pairs, and, two, because villain may think he can push me off my hand with busted draws. Villain's not as aggressive as we need him to be to allow him control of the hand - he hasn't raised at any point, which in a 3 way limped pot I'd expect him to do with most legitimate holdings: any pair, especially a king, and his draws. And since he called two streets, we should assume he has one of those holdings. We have to rectify his perceived aggression with the fact that he hasn't raised at all in this hand. So I wouldn't feel too confident about letting him value bet his pocket pair / king. Based on action, his most likely holdings are: decent pairs, probably top, and flush draws. So I want to maximize value against those. $110 on the river gets value from almost all of his pair hands (too close to the pot may fold out pocket pairs), and may induce a bluff from flush draws. If he's got 22 then the river will just play itself.I mean, if he fancies himself a bully, and he doesn't like being run over, and he "preys on weakness," then by all means, check. But against a passive player - and he's certainly taken a passive line with his pairs - then

[d0c 0]

I kind of like the weak river bet line

+1Bet size would be the same as I'd take with really thin valuebet. Prob around 80-100. Small enough to let draws bluff raise and pairs to call.Would he really bet draws so much more often than raise weak blocking bet, so that checking would be best line?

[TB17 0]

the only hands he can really bet with for value are Good kings (KJ+), and busted flush draws (Even still I think Nut Flush draws are gonna check behind because they have some showdown value. I really dunno if hes limping KJ KQ, and he can have a lot in his range that will easily check behind, so I really hate this check. I bet around 120 on the river.

[No_Neck 0]

I think I perfer a weak river bet hoping he spaz raises his busted flush draw.

[Zach6668 513]

Min bet.Works like a charm.Dealt to crveza [Qs Qc]universalc calls $1crveza raises to $10universalc calls $8*** FLOP *** [Jd Jc Qd]crveza has 15 seconds left to actcrveza checksuniversalc bets $20crveza raises to $40universalc calls $20*** TURN *** [Jd Jc Qd] [9s]crveza bets $4universalc raises to $43.10, and is all incrveza calls $39.10universalc shows [Ad 8d]crveza shows [Qs Qc]*** RIVER *** [Jd Jc Qd 9s] [As]universalc shows two pair, Aces and Jackscrveza shows a full house, Queens full of Jackscrveza wins the pot ($185.70) with a full house, Queens full of Jacks(It was a misclick, LOL)

[simo_8ball 1]

universalc bets $20crveza raises to $40universalc calls $20*** TURN *** [Jd Jc Qd] [9s]crveza bets $4

So, you minraised, and then minbet.LHE players never change.

[whatgreatis 0]

I agree that he's going to check back a lot of hands. TB made a good point that he'll check back Ah6h type hands a decent amount of the time because they have showdown value. I would have preferred a small value bet and try to get value from 66-99 and Kx hands. He still may bluff raise xhxh. I bet about half pot on the river.

[fakepoo 0]

I prefer the weak lead as well. Seems like everyone sees it as a blocking bet and tries to raise you off of it. Also, you get some slight value out of a hand that will check behind.

[CobaltBlue 662]

I do not think that he will check a king here. Yeah, he may check a nut-flush draw or smaller pair, but he definitely shouldn't be calling a third barrel with those. If he has a 5, he has to bet. If he has as straight, he has to bet. If he has a king, he very likely bets. If he's busted, he very likely bets.Also, whatever hell games y'all are playing where villains raise busted draws against 3-barrels when they've just called the whole time...I don't know where those games/villains are. I do not think that he will raise our bet without a full house.

[cwik 0]

I do not think that he will check a king here. Yeah, he may check a nut-flush draw or smaller pair, but he definitely shouldn't be calling a third barrel with those. If he has a 5, he has to bet. If he has as straight, he has to bet. If he has a king, he very likely bets. If he's busted, he very likely bets.Also, whatever hell games y'all are playing where villains raise busted draws against 3-barrels when they've just called the whole time...I don't know where those games/villains are. I do not think that he will raise our bet without a full house.

My first thought was to agree with everything you said here, but the more I think about it, the more I like a bet. We get close to the same value out of a K, assuming they bet/fold a lot, and the amount of times they bet/call is probably evened out by the amount of times they check behind. However, if you c/r and they have a 5 and maybe a straight, they are probably calling a lot so you don't even get stacks in, where if you just donked they still raise and you can play for all their chips. So we can probably agree, the main reason for checking is to induce a bluff from the missed flush. Well, I bet you get close to the same value when someone bluff raises your bet for a lot more money. Plus you are picking up all the value of the pairs 66-TT that always call your bet, but never bet them selves. Over all I do think you are missing a bit of value in not betting. And I agree with whoever said if you wanna be tricky, put in a smallish bet to induce a raise.

[NoSup4U 0]

IPITS.I think betting small to induce a bluff raise is going to lose a ton of value from a K. He's never bluff raising a K, and if he's bluff raising a missed draw if you bet small, he's certainly bluffing the river if we check to him. Unless villain is a super passive that never value bets, I think checking here is best. He almost certainly has a K or a flush draw.Mark

[David_Nicoson 1]

If I knew he had a king, I think I need to bet. His line is probably check behind or bet/fold against a player with a tight reputation.If I knew he had a non-nut flush draw, I think I need to check or feign a blocking bet. If I knew he had a nut flush draw, I think I need to bet. I agree with the other posters that he'd consider ace high to have showdown value.Without being especially careful here, it looks to me like there are lot more weak kings he could have the flush draws that will bluff the river. I prefer the bet.Ah2h Probably raise flopAh3h Probably raise flopAh4h Probably raise flopAh6h Ah7h Ah8h Ah9h AhTh AhJh Might raise preflopAhQh Probably raise preflopQhJh QhTh JhTh Jh9h Jh8h Th9h Th8h 9h8h 9h7h 8h6h 7h6h 22 Probably raise flop or turnKT-KQ 36 combinations56s 1 combination

[NoSup4U 0]

What about Cobalt's line makes anyone think that A high is good on the river? Not sure why the consensus seems to be that he'd check the Ah behind, but what can Cobalt have here that the Ah beats other than a busted fd (which villain has if he is checking the Ah behind so thats pretty unlikely) or 46. A high is never good here imo.Mark

[d0c 0]

If he's busted, he very likely bets.

IMO our hand looks a lot like a Kx that decided to c/c river as all draws missed. He would have to overbet the river to have any FE, and I doubt he does it big % of time. But maybe I'm giving villain too much credit.

[BaseJester 1]

What about Cobalt's line makes anyone think that A high is good on the river? Not sure why the consensus seems to be that he'd check the Ah behind, but what can Cobalt have here that the Ah beats other than a busted fd (which villain has if he is checking the Ah behind so thats pretty unlikely) or 46. A high is never good here imo.Mark

The question is, "When is ace high not good and I can get a better hand to fold." The hero probably isn't folding a weak king, the whole hand having played out like the villain is drawing and missed. He almost certainly isn't folding a 5. And the villain can't figure the hero for a 2 unless it's part of a combo draw.