Dictius 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 UTG - Is on the loose passive side, doesn't seem to possess much sense of position. 29/12/1 after 40 hands.Villain 1 - Don't really know much about him, he is 31/6/2 after 30 hands, I haven't played any hands with him and haven't seen any of his hands go to showdown yet. He is playing the short stack so I assume his strategy is to try and flop a pair and then shove on the flop.Villain 2 - Seems pretty fishy, stats are 71/12/2 after ~60 or so hands. The only hand I've played with him is one where he minraised UTG, I call in the SB with A4s and flop the wheel, he calls my checkraise, calls bet on K turn and folds on a 7 river when I shove my last $5 into and $11 pot. I guess he had some kind of pocket pair 66-TT.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)MP ($9.55)Hero ($15.95)Button ($9.15)SB (Villain 1) ($3.05)BB (Villain 2) ($33.40)UTG ($43.45)Preflop: Hero is CO with , . UTG raises to $0.4, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, BB calls $0.30.Flop: ($1.60) , , (4 players)Villain 1 bets $2.65 (All-In), Villain 2 calls $2.65, UTG folds, Hero ?If you say call, what's the plan for the turn?How much equity/fold equity do I need to shove with the short stack all in? Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I don't really like the pf call - 6-max most of my profit comes not from playing drawing hands in position (and in CO, not even OTB) but from being the aggressor. This is more of a full-ring type move. Too often I end up folding UI or not getting paid off with my transparent draw. Anyway just another way to view preflop action; it's not worth criticizing, to be honest. I make such calls all day long when I know I probably shouldn't (especially at the micros where villains pay off your transparent draws and/or let you draw cheaply).Now do you mean villain 1 is all-in? He supposedly has $33, so he can't be all in on a $2.65 bet. I'm confused about stack sizes here.OTF it seems like villain 2 has caught a pair, and hopefully an ace. I call hoping to stack him on a diamond, given your read of him. I'm confident he's not betting the turn. I'm certainly not shoving, not when we're both very deep and I can get the money in when he's drawing dead.But if Villain 1's not actually all in then I fold. He likes his hand and will bomb a blank turn. Link to post Share on other sites
ChuckP 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 You gotta call the for the turn then re-evaluate after. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I call pf all day and twice on Sundays.If the villain with remaining money (its a little unclear as you seem to have mixed up your villains when you edited this hand) is a fish, then I just call flop. Almost always he will check to you and you can check behind unimproved on the turn, thus getting a free card. And he's really unlikely to fold an A here which is probably what he has. So if you hit you stack him, and if not you didn't pay much.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
Dictius 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Author Share Posted August 21, 2008 Fixed my OP.Villain 1 is the short stack that is all in.Villain 2 has the big stack. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I call pf all day and twice on Sundays.If the villain with remaining money (its a little unclear as you seem to have mixed up your villains when you edited this hand) is a fish, then I just call flop. Almost always he will check to you and you can check behind unimproved on the turn, thus getting a free card. And he's really unlikely to fold an A here which is probably what he has. So if you hit you stack him, and if not you didn't pay much.MarkQFT Link to post Share on other sites
pokerinc 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Yeah I think calling the flop's where I'm at. I don't see villian 2 laying down after the overpot call. He'll prob. painfully call you flop shove w/ aj off.Not sure how much you'll get paid if you hit, but I think you can get the other streets cheap.I kind of agree w/ not getting involved pre flop. I would make this call if the ORIGINAL raiser had a full stack, but since the first guy in the pot to show aggression's short you can't get paid on spec hands as well.Just kinda how I play, I'm way wider against full stax. Link to post Share on other sites
Dictius 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Author Share Posted August 22, 2008 The original UTG pre flop raiser is 400+ BB deep and I have 160 BB. Both the villains in this hand call behind in the SB and BB whilst the UTG raiser folds on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerinc 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 my bad. sometimes I just get in my head vil.1 vil.2 and scroll down.apologies. Link to post Share on other sites
az.poker.mind 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I fold the bet on the flop. I can't tell you how many times villain 1 will show down a higher diamond draw. Worse yet, villain 2 could have Kd,Qd and stack you when a 3rd diamond hits the board. Link to post Share on other sites
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