Tough Spot With Ak In 4.40 180 Man

[SuperJon 175]

In a cash game, I insta shove 95% of the time. However, in this spot, I'm not so sure what to do.A few notes before we get to the hand itself:1. I had been playing fairly well, at this point I had somewhat of a TAG image. Just stealing blinds in the right spots and bluffing when the opportunity presented itself.2. The entire table has a whole had been fairly tight and would fold to the majority of c-bets, with the exception of 2 players (neither of which were involved in this hand)3. On the flop, the BB paused for a good 7 seconds before checking.4. UTG made the donk lead pretty quickly.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t250 (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)SB (t6290)BB (t6653)UTG (t7270)MP1 (t4570)Hero (t10165)CO (t8247)Button (t2600)Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K , A . UTG calls t250, 1 fold, Hero raises to t980, 3 folds, BB calls t730, UTG calls t730.Flop: (t3240) 6 , A , 2 (3 players)BB checks, UTG bets t1750, Hero?

[mk 11]

call, let him hang himself on turn.

[Aces Rule 0]

call, let him hang himself on turn.

Above sounds alright but I am worried abit by the limp-call preflop which is what a small pair would do looking to folp a set. A good player wouldn't slowplay a flopped set with an ace on board - he'd lead out for about halfpot and hope to get re-raised. Certainly just call the flop to control the pot size and let him lead the turn - if he checks a brick you probably have the best hand.

[Metternich 0]

call here or shove, don't think it matters much. I lean towards shove, because call looks too strong.We can't be afraid of a set here, if we are so scared of a set that we're willing to fold on this flop we should have folded AK preflop (and if you're willing to do that then stop playing poker.) His range is full of tons of weaker aces that bad players will limp/call with.

[Berwatchey 0]

unfourtionately alot of people like to play a X hands against preflop raises while being dominated hoping to flop 2 pair.however you cant really be worried about that too much.BB's range seems like a medium sized pair or a big ace.UTg's range is actually pretty wide because he will be way more likely to call with alot of suited aces and pairs and medium cards for the odds he was getting on his money. im not saying hed be right to call but its just more likely.given the flop we are almost certainly ahead of the BB. utg is kind of a mystery. but i would expect to see aoot of hands like a 10 and any 2 face cards. maby even 44-99however were pretty much not gonna fold on this board. when the blinds get high like this alot of pots go to the first aggressor. utg knows it and wants to take down a big pot here.ure pretty much not folding. call and let him fire again on the turn and laugh when he turns over his worse ace. if he has A6 shrug and walk away.

[GeneralGeeWhiz 0]

Call and see a turn. Shove over any donk bet on most boards.

[SuperJon 175]

I'm glad to see that no one considers folding.I really felt my only two options were folding or shoving. With BB still left to act, I don't think I can flat UTGs bet.And since raising any reasonable amount practically commits me to the hand, I thought shoving would be best.So I did. BB insta calls, and UTG folds.BB shows 66 for a set of sixes. gg me.

[copernicus 0]

Ugly stacks for this situation. Youve got a stack to pot ratio of a little under 3 which means that raising is pot committing, flat calling is weak and gives you no information and youre WA/WB.His bet is far from a "donk lead", its a very threatening 1/2 pot bet. Normally turn bets carry a lot of leverage, but with these stacks this is effectively the 2d to last betting round, so the leverage is here. Are you ready to get it all in on the turn without improvement against a big bet? If not fold here. If you are unsure then you can call and reevaluate. If he bets heavy on the turn after your call youve got a major problem though.Phil Hellmuth folds this, us mere mortals go for our stacks.

[simo_8ball 1]

Ugly stacks for this situation. Youve got a stack to pot ratio of a little under 3 which means that raising is pot committing, flat calling is weak and gives you no information and youre WA/WB.His bet is far from a "donk lead", its a very threatening 1/2 pot bet. Normally turn bets carry a lot of leverage, but with these stacks this is effectively the 2d to last betting round, so the leverage is here. Are you ready to get it all in on the turn without improvement against a big bet? If not fold here. If you are unsure then you can call and reevaluate. If he bets heavy on the turn after your call youve got a major problem though.Phil Hellmuth folds this, us mere mortals go for our stacks.

WTF are you on about it being tough? Phil Hellmuth gets the money in and says "ship it, I have the nuts".Call and reevaluate? What is there to evaluate other than "yep, I still annihilate his range"?I would expect to see a hand like A8o here. When the money goes in you should be giggling.

[copernicus 0]

WTF are you on about it being tough? Phil Hellmuth gets the money in and says "ship it, I have the nuts".Call and reevaluate? What is there to evaluate other than "yep, I still annihilate his range"?I would expect to see a hand like A8o here. When the money goes in you should be giggling.

No way PH gets the money in here. UTG isnt committing 30% of his remaining stack without solid values, and if he's any good at all AQ, AJ are not big hands. In a $109 this is a pretty easy fold. The low buy in is the only justification for playing on here.

[Sheiky 0]

No way PH gets the money in here. UTG isnt committing 30% of his remaining stack without solid values, and if he's any good at all AQ, AJ are not big hands. In a $109 this is a pretty easy fold. The low buy in is the only justification for playing on here.

...no

[meservery 0]

BB shows 66 for a set of sixes. gg me.

I have nothing to add except this is not "gg."DUCY?

[copernicus 0]

...no

Yes, and my daddy can beat up your daddy.Regulars at the higher buyins are rarely making that large a bet if they cant even beat TPTK.

[simo_8ball 1]

Cop, if we post this in HSMTT on 2+2 as a $215 tourney and that villain is a solid reg, what would you expect the advice to be?

[copernicus 0]

Cop, if we post this in HSMTT on 2+2 as a $215 tourney and that villain is a solid reg, what would you expect the advice to be?

mixed, leaning toward getting it in. Only the pot control players will consider flatting or folding here, and some of them will call too, because of the stack sizes. (already done btw)

[simo_8ball 1]

mixed, leaning toward getting it in. Only the pot control players will consider flatting or folding here, and some of them will call too, because of the stack sizes. (already done btw)

They might well say to flat call, but it won't be to reevaluate. It will be to trap so they can shove the turn.

[SuperJon 175]

They might well say to flat call, but it won't be to reevaluate. It will be to trap so they can shove the turn.

Yeah, I just don't see how flatting the flop, and folding the river is in any possible way a good play.

[HighwayStar 8]

Yea this looks like a set, but it's a 4.40 so he shows up with ragged suited aces a lot tooAs for what to do. I think I might just call and just let him keep betting, I probably try to get it all in on the turn. Added to that, not many (if any) turn cards change the strength of your hand relative to his.On second thoughts, looking at stacks again, I think I shove this flop. You're more likely to get looked up by weaker hands doing this, calling the flop looks quite strong to me.

[jmbreslin 0]

Some info on UTG would help. How many players would limp worse Aces here? Absent info on UTG I'd have to assume he would raise AQ or AJ rather than limp up front, and there is no way he'd lead into Hero with a weak or mediocre suited Ace there. This looks a whole lot like a hand that beats TPTK but I'd have a hard time letting it go absent an accurate read.I don't play 4.40's so I'll reiterate my questions: How many players would limp worse Aces PF there? And if they did, how many would lead the flop like that with TPWK?

[throwemaway 0]

Call and see a turn. Shove over any donk bet on most boards.

What card on the turn scares you enough to be doing anything but shoving? The board is super dry. I'm flatting this almost always and letting him bet the turn again or at least attempt to get it all in there. In a 4.40, I'm folding this on the 8th day of Never.

[simo_8ball 1]

BTW, if anyone misinterpreted the results, UTG bet/folded the flop.The donkbet was a hand we were ahead of.

[HighwayStar 8]

BTW, if anyone misinterpreted the results, UTG bet/folded the flop.The donkbet was a hand we were ahead of.

lol, I didn't see this.

3. On the flop, the BB paused for a good 7 seconds before checking.

Regarding this, I usually either see this as being very weak or very strong. Either way it's not putting me off AK on A62 as he can easily have a weaker Ace (AQ/AJ) which fits with his line which he might consider very strong on that board.Guess we all forgot about the BB to act, I still think I shove this flop with the stack sizes as they are.edit: by very weak I don't mean complete air I mean something we crush which might think it has a chance on that board. 88 or something.

[copernicus 0]

BTW, if anyone misinterpreted the results, UTG bet/folded the flop.The donkbet was a hand we were ahead of.

BB still to play behind hero is also supportive of the calling option. Note again Im not saying I could fold this, or even that calling is right with these stacks, but it is far from a no-brainer push...and I still say PH folds it! (or calls and finds a way to berate BB for his play)

[Aces Rule 0]

Guess we all forgot about the BB to act, I still think I shove this flop with the stack sizes as they are.

I did caution about the possible set - I just put it in the wrong hand b/c of the limp-call from UTG. BB isn't playing his flopped set very well imo as with an ace on board he should have lead out for 1/3-1/2 and hope to get re-raised.

[copernicus 0]

I did caution about the possible set - I just put it in the wrong hand b/c of the limp-call from UTG. BB isn't playing his flopped set very well imo as with an ace on board he should have lead out for 1/3-1/2 and hope to get re-raised.

I dont like a lead here. Hes got two players after him. If he leads and there is a small ace out there his bet could scare it away. If there is a small ace he probably gets a bet, If there is a big Ace he definitely gets a bet, and if theres no ace he can get catch a continuation bet.